Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Jay Maechtlen]

And there are a number of front ends to make Latex easier.
and it/they can be run under Linux, removing the expense of Windows.
fwiw
Jay


On 10/5/2017 2:29 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote:

I think there are already enough tools out there that there's not much
demand for something new.

You might look at LibreOffice Writer and LibreOffice Draw, or Scribus.

People who think software design peaked 20+ years ago often use Latex.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Phillip Norman  wrote:

... I want a
simplified and inexpensive software going back to the roots of FrameMaker,
perhaps written by those Old Guys, and not owned by Adobe. Millions have a
chance to do their correspondence in something not Word-like, much better. ...

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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Robert Lauriston]

I think there are already enough tools out there that there's not much
demand for something new.

You might look at LibreOffice Writer and LibreOffice Draw, or Scribus.

People who think software design peaked 20+ years ago often use Latex.

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Phillip Norman  wrote:
> ... I want a
> simplified and inexpensive software going back to the roots of FrameMaker,
> perhaps written by those Old Guys, and not owned by Adobe. Millions have a
> chance to do their correspondence in something not Word-like, much better. ...
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Phillip Norman]

I have a box of FrameMaker v5 from Frame technology. I loaded the program
in Windows 7 Professional, and of course learned nothing of program
workings, where I am peculiarly using the graphics palette. From the
beginning when v5.5.6 was new, I have been happy with merger of 2D graphics
of some complexity and great precision, with text documents such as
Purchase Orders. As this peculiar user, happy with v5.5.6, I am only
unhappy to be constrained to 32-bit computing.

I have talked to The List three times I think, in all those years of caring
about FrameMaker and skimming understandable things occasionally from
others. Where I talk to The List, it is always about this graphics suite,
and the fit to my brains in flexible document creation, despising automated
cookie-cutter Word and its predecessors that evolved from command language.
I know a few keystroke operations, but it is mostly type and place precise,
flexible simplicity.

I have tried to share samples of my work,hoping not all modern users are
publishing professionals. I show the often creation of house details in my
work as a construction contractor, on an accurately sized satellite photo.
I imagine large employment opportunities for people I call Diligence
Reporters, doing third-part quality control in construction, photos and
builder notes proving completion of check list requirements, then in many
ways surpassing "work" done by municipal jurisdictional authorities. I am
inspired by a customer-couple who worked as entertainers on cruise ships,
and would be happy in this Reporter relationship with respected builders,
working in The Cloud to escape boredom in the Indian Ocean. I want a
simplified and inexpensive software going back to the roots of FrameMaker,
perhaps written by those Old Guys, and not owned by Adobe. Millions have a
chance to do their correspondence in something not Word-like, much better.
The Reporters in-the-cloud, would find this flexible software more
intuitive than today's FrameMaker.

Can anyone help?

So, my v5 Frame Technology books are still shrink wrapped. Would I do well
to open and read them? Is the pristine box valuable?

Phillip Norman
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An Old Guy 73, and an inventor.
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Re: [Framers] *****SPAM***** Re: Old FrameMaker books?

[Frank Stearns]

On Mon, 2 Oct 2017, Steve Rickaby wrote:


At 21:33 + 2/10/17, Wroblewski, Victoria wrote:

This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries 
and have been quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a 
former co worker from another company who is in horror over this 
idea).  Use the search, people.


It is horrifying.

the like. Who has the time to wade through 847 hits to find the 
possible one relevant one? Or work out what the search grammar is, 
always assuming that there is one? I have for example totally given 
up trying to fox out technical issues with Parallels products for 
just this reason. Such things can actually drive customers away, and 
the opposite can hold true too.


It's amazing what has become "acceptable". After reviewing the first 1 
or 2 returns from that batch of 847, many folks just shrug and give up 
-- or maybe go watch a Youtube video.


While I'm only partly holding my breath, perhaps one day the index (a 
real index, of quality) will be rediscovered as this remarkable method 
of sorting through information. And as Steve implies, this will be 
something "new" for Marketing to toot as well -- indexed user docs!


Until then -- and in the meantime -- we still have IXgen available to 
make the mechanics of FM indexing so much easier. :)


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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Bernard Aschwanden]

And more complex terms as well. Try to find "how to add a sound clip" when a
writer wrote about "Inserting audio files" either because a developer/mgr
uses that term, or the company insists on using the actual menu names for
every single title and never considers that the audience may type
information in another fashion. Robert makes an excellent point.


-Original Message-
From: Framers
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On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 5:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

Does FrameMaker support search aliases? If not, indexes can be very helpful
to users who might use a different terms. E.g. if the docs say "graph" but
users think of it as "chart."

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Wroblewski, Victoria
<victoria.wroblew...@necect.com> wrote:
> This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries and have
been quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a former co worker
from another company who is in horror over this idea).  Use the search,
people.
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Jay Maechtlen]

Hm - so as a user of FM 8 and later, one of the older manuals might be 
valuable to use with the newer ones as a reference?

Very interesting...

On 10/2/2017 11:54 AM, Scott Prentice wrote:

Hi...

I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.

User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically 
new and some still in plastic.


Contact me off list if you'd like any or all of these.

Cheers,
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Scott Prentice]

That could *almost* be a viable option if indexes had been replaced with 
decent linguistic search engines. But most search engines out there are 
absolute crap. The removal of indexes was purely a cost saving move and 
nothing about providing usable documentation.


A good index provided a huge benefit to both doc developer and the end 
user. But now, I suppose people are "lucky" to get any documentation at 
all. Set your sights low, and that's where it all ends up.


Cheers,
...scott


On 10/2/17 2:33 PM, Wroblewski, Victoria wrote:

This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries and have been 
quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a former co worker from 
another company who is in horror over this idea).  Use the search, people.

- V

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+victoria.wroblewski=necect@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 3:01 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. 
<framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

Scott,You might want to hang onto that 5.5 book. Once Adobe started creating 
the documentation the Index started going downhill, when compared to the 
original Frame issued books. The original Index was actual usefulI wouldn't 
part with mine unless I had to.
  


 On Monday, October 2, 2017 1:54 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> 
wrote:
  


  Hi...

I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.

User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically new and 
some still in plastic.

Contact me off list if you'd like any or all of these.

Cheers,
...scott


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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Robert Lauriston]

Does FrameMaker support search aliases? If not, indexes can be very
helpful to users who might use a different terms. E.g. if the docs say
"graph" but users think of it as "chart."

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Wroblewski, Victoria
 wrote:
> This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries and have 
> been quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a former co worker 
> from another company who is in horror over this idea).  Use the search, 
> people.
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[John Sgammato]

Generating an index is also a great way to spot inconsistencies in
terminology and usage, especially on docs written by a team.
And it enables the write to flag which mentions of a common term are
useful; search shows every mention.


On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Monique Semp 
wrote:

> This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries and have
>> been quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a former co worker
>> from another company who is in horror over this idea).  Use the search,
>> people.
>>
>
> Well, sure. If I know the exact word to look for, ^F will find it. But
> what if it's  concept that might be described multiple ways? Or something
> that I don't necessarily know I need but that jumps out when I scan the
> index? For a nice explanation of why an index is important, I recommend
> this from the American Society for Indexing website:
> https://www.asindexing.org/about-indexing/frequently-asked-
> questions/#FAQ1006.
>
> I certainly understand why we tech writers so rarely create indexes these
> days, but that doesn't mean it's the ideal situation. And most certainly ^F
> searching is an inadequate substitute for a good human-generated index.
>
> -Monique
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Steve Rickaby]

At 21:33 + 2/10/17, Wroblewski, Victoria wrote:

>This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries and have been 
>quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a former co worker from 
>another company who is in horror over this idea).  Use the search, people.

Hmmm. There's a debate to be had here. I'm with your former co-worker. A dumb 
search is not the same as an index, always assuming that the index has been 
done properly - i.e. there's been a sentient human in the loop.

A parallel is the lazy 'search' feature that is built into the web interfaces 
of web fora such as tech support sites for Microsoft and the like. Who has the 
time to wade through 847 hits to find the possible one relevant one? Or work 
out what the search grammar is, always assuming that there is one? I have for 
example totally given up trying to fox out technical issues with Parallels 
products for just this reason. Such things can actually drive customers away, 
and the opposite can hold true too.

And what Monique said too - she beat me to it.

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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Monique Semp]

This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries and have 
been quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a former co worker 
from another company who is in horror over this idea).  Use the search, 
people.


Well, sure. If I know the exact word to look for, ^F will find it. But what 
if it's  concept that might be described multiple ways? Or something that I 
don't necessarily know I need but that jumps out when I scan the index? For 
a nice explanation of why an index is important, I recommend this from the 
American Society for Indexing website: 
https://www.asindexing.org/about-indexing/frequently-asked-questions/#FAQ1006.


I certainly understand why we tech writers so rarely create indexes these 
days, but that doesn't mean it's the ideal situation. And most certainly ^F 
searching is an inadequate substitute for a good human-generated index.


-Monique 


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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Wroblewski, Victoria]

This might be the reason we stopped actually doing index entries and have been 
quietly deleting index files from our books (I have a former co worker from 
another company who is in horror over this idea).  Use the search, people.

- V 

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of David Spreadbury
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

Scott,You might want to hang onto that 5.5 book. Once Adobe started creating 
the documentation the Index started going downhill, when compared to the 
original Frame issued books. The original Index was actual usefulI wouldn't 
part with mine unless I had to.
 

On Monday, October 2, 2017 1:54 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> 
wrote:
 

 Hi...

I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.

User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically new and 
some still in plastic.

Contact me off list if you'd like any or all of these.

Cheers,
...scott


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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Pat Christenson]

With 5.5, Adobe decided they weren't going to supply full documentation, i.e., 
"teach you how to use the software."

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From: Framers 
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Is the index in the 5.5 book really better than the one in the 6.0 book?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 1:01 PM, David Spreadbury <dspre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Scott,You might want to hang onto that 5.5 book. Once Adobe started creating 
> the documentation the Index started going downhill, when compared to the 
> original Frame issued books. The original Index was actual usefulI wouldn't 
> part with mine unless I had to.
>
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 1:54 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> 
> wrote:
>
>
>  Hi...
>
> I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.
>
> User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically 
> new and some still in plastic.
>
> Contact me off list if you'd like any or all of these.
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Pat Christenson]

Agreed.

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Scott,You might want to hang onto that 5.5 book. Once Adobe started creating 
the documentation the Index started going downhill, when compared to the 
original Frame issued books. The original Index was actual usefulI wouldn't 
part with mine unless I had to.
 

On Monday, October 2, 2017 1:54 PM, Scott Prentice <s...@leximation.com> 
wrote:
 

 Hi...

I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.

User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically new and 
some still in plastic.

Contact me off list if you'd like any or all of these.

Cheers,
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Robert Lauriston]

Is the index in the 5.5 book really better than the one in the 6.0 book?

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 1:01 PM, David Spreadbury  wrote:
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> Scott,You might want to hang onto that 5.5 book. Once Adobe started creating 
> the documentation the Index started going downhill, when compared to the 
> original Frame issued books. The original Index was actual usefulI wouldn't 
> part with mine unless I had to.
>
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 1:54 PM, Scott Prentice  
> wrote:
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>
>  Hi...
>
> I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.
>
> User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically
> new and some still in plastic.
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> Contact me off list if you'd like any or all of these.
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Re: [Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[David Spreadbury]

Scott,You might want to hang onto that 5.5 book. Once Adobe started creating 
the documentation the Index started going downhill, when compared to the 
original Frame issued books. The original Index was actual usefulI wouldn't 
part with mine unless I had to.
 

On Monday, October 2, 2017 1:54 PM, Scott Prentice  
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 Hi...

I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.

User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically 
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[Framers] Old FrameMaker books?

[Scott Prentice]

Hi...

I hate to pitch (recycle) this stuff if it's of any use to anyone.

User Guides for FM 7.0, FM 6.0, FM+SGML 6.0, and FM 5.5. All basically 
new and some still in plastic.


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Re: [TCS Users] Searching Multiple FrameMaker Books Simultaneously

[Art Campbell]

Rick Quatro's Search-and-replace special may be able to do this, but
I'm not sure.
And I think you could rig up something with FrameScript.

But I usually construct a meta-book that contains all the files I have
in multiple books; it's great for just this kind of situation,
updating templates and a number of other things. Depending on your FM
version (works with 9),  you can usually copy all the component files
and add them to the meta-book so you don't have to do the Add Files
routine.

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 Hi all,

 I am using unstructured framemaker 9. I have about 30 different books.
 Occassionally, I need to do a find/replace of a term in all the books at
 once. Is there a search plugin that can search multiple framemaker books
 simultaneously?

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[TCS Users] Searching Multiple FrameMaker Books Simultaneously

[Art Campbell]

Rick Quatro's Search-and-replace special may be able to do this, but
I'm not sure.
And I think you could rig up something with FrameScript.

But I usually construct a meta-book that contains all the files I have
in multiple books; it's great for just this kind of situation,
updating templates and a number of other things. Depending on your FM
version (works with 9),  you can usually copy all the component files
and add them to the meta-book so you don't have to do the Add Files
routine.

Art

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On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Joseph Lorenzini  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am using unstructured framemaker 9. I have about 30 different books.
> Occassionally, I need to do a find/replace of a term in all the books at
> once. Is there a search plugin that can search multiple framemaker books
> simultaneously?
>
> Thanks,
> Joseph Lorenzini
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RE: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Lea Rush]

I'm fairly fond of sub-folder structures. Do you have any general idea how deep 
is too deep? I
haven't had any specific trouble, but better to use safer practices than not.

Thanks,
Lea

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 To: mrbass...@gmail.com; Joseph; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
 
 adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you 
 bury files within
multiple sub-folders.
 (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My
 Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not
yet\almost
 there\here we go\file.fm
 
 try unburying...
 
  Pappy mrbass...@gmail.com 2/4/2009 11:25 AM 
 I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
 size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
 book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
 I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
 need one integrated TOC.
 
 Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
 commands with a book this size easier?
 
 
 
 
 Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide 
 commands?
 
 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 
 pages.
 
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Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Lea Rush]

I'm fairly fond of sub-folder structures. Do you have any general idea how deep 
is too deep? I
haven't had any specific trouble, but better to use safer practices than not.

Thanks,
Lea

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> Subject: Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
> 
> adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you 
> bury files within
multiple sub-folders.
> (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My
> Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not
yet\almost
> there\here we go\file.fm
> 
> try unburying...
> 
> >>> "Pappy"  2/4/2009 11:25 AM >>>
> >I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
> >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
> >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
> >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
> >need one integrated TOC.
> >
> >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
> >commands with a book this size easier?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide 
> commands?
> 
> 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 
> pages.
> 
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Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Joseph]

Hello all,

I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
need one integrated TOC.

Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
commands with a book this size easier?

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RE: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph wrote:
 
 I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due
to
 the
 size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to
execute
 book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the
TOC.
 I have thought about splitting the document into two different books,
but I
 need one integrated TOC.
 
 Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
 commands with a book this size easier?

What do you mean by incredibly difficult -- slow? How slow? What's
your computer configuration -- OS, processor, memory, disk space? Are
the files on a local disk or on the network?

There shouldn't be any problem with updating a 650-page book, other than
oh, that took a couple of seconds longer than my 100-page book.

If you're experiencing much bigger problems, my first guess is you don't
have enough memory. Memory is dirt cheap these days, so if you have less
than 2 GB, upgrade to that level. 

Other possible problems involve the hard disk. Check your free disk
space, the amount of disk fragmentation, and the size of your swap
(paging) file. Also, delete all but the most recent few files from your
temp directory. 

Do you have lots of graphics that are embedded (instead of imported by
reference), or worse yet, OLE objects, either embedded or linked? OLE
can really bog things down (plus it can be unstable). 

Richard


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Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[bryan johnson]

adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you bury 
files within multiple sub-folders. (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My 
Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not
 yet\almost there\here we go\file.fm
 
try unburying...

 Pappy mrbass...@gmail.com 2/4/2009 11:25 AM 
I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
need one integrated TOC.

Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
commands with a book this size easier?




Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide commands? 

650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 
pages.

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Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Art Campbell]

And seconding the idea of opening all the files locally, the two
biggest bottlenecks are local RAM and disk free space and a
combination of network speed and server speed for opening and closing
the remote files. If you're running slowly or Frame is having trouble,
those are your first two items to check.

FWIW, I think 2G RAM is about the minimum you want to be running...
and the drive needs to have a significant chunk of free space.

One other possible bottleneck is if your local virus checker is
processing each component file each time FM hits it. If it is, and
it's possible to configure it, try to minimize screening network
files.

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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Pappy mrbass...@gmail.com wrote:
I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
need one integrated TOC.

Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
commands with a book this size easier?




 Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide 
 commands?

 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 
 pages.

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Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[John Posada]

Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
commands with a book this size easier?

I worked in a 12,000 page book and it handled it fine.

Tip to open all files in the book is a good one. With the book
displayed, hold down the shift key and click File. You'll see a
different set of options, one of them to open all files in the book.

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Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Joseph]

Hello all,

I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
need one integrated TOC.

Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
commands with a book this size easier?

-- 
Sincerely,

Joseph Lorenzini

Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Pappy]

>I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
>size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
>book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
>I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
>need one integrated TOC.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
>commands with a book this size easier?




Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide commands? 

650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 
pages.

=
Rick Henkel
http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm

Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph wrote:

> I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due
to
> the
> size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to
execute
> book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the
TOC.
> I have thought about splitting the document into two different books,
but I
> need one integrated TOC.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
> commands with a book this size easier?

What do you mean by "incredibly difficult" -- slow? How slow? What's
your computer configuration -- OS, processor, memory, disk space? Are
the files on a local disk or on the network?

There shouldn't be any problem with updating a 650-page book, other than
"oh, that took a couple of seconds longer than my 100-page book."

If you're experiencing much bigger problems, my first guess is you don't
have enough memory. Memory is dirt cheap these days, so if you have less
than 2 GB, upgrade to that level. 

Other possible problems involve the hard disk. Check your free disk
space, the amount of disk fragmentation, and the size of your swap
(paging) file. Also, delete all but the most recent few files from your
temp directory. 

Do you have lots of graphics that are embedded (instead of imported by
reference), or worse yet, OLE objects, either embedded or linked? OLE
can really bog things down (plus it can be unstable). 

Richard


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Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[Art Campbell]

And seconding the idea of opening all the files locally, the two
biggest bottlenecks are local RAM and disk free space and a
combination of network speed and server speed for opening and closing
the remote files. If you're running slowly or Frame is having trouble,
those are your first two items to check.

FWIW, I think 2G RAM is about the minimum you want to be running...
and the drive needs to have a significant chunk of free space.

One other possible bottleneck is if your local virus checker is
processing each component file each time FM hits it. If it is, and
it's possible to configure it, try to minimize screening network
files.

Art

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On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Pappy  wrote:
>>I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the
>>size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute
>>book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC.
>>I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I
>>need one integrated TOC.
>>
>>Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
>>commands with a book this size easier?
>
>
>
>
> Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide 
> commands?
>
> 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 
> pages.
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Handling Large FrameMaker Books

[John Posada]

>>Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide
>>commands with a book this size easier?

I worked in a 12,000 page book and it handled it fine.

Tip to open all files in the book is a good one. With the book
displayed, hold down the shift key and click File. You'll see a
different set of options, one of them to open all files in the book.

-- 
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Looking for the next gig.

RE: Out of print FrameMaker books

[Pinkham, Jim]

I've also found http://isbn.nu/ to be a great resource. In this case,
for instance, see http://isbn.nu/0735711089. 

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 You might be able to find out of print books, like Jahred's Beyond 
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Another great used book site is http://used.addall.com. It searches a
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I've also found http://isbn.nu/ to be a great resource. In this case,
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> You might be able to find out of print books, like Jahred's "Beyond 
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Framemaker Books

[Carrie Baker]

Hi,
extracts from the Beyond the Basics series are available online at a
site called InformIT. I searched for the author name under articles.
This is the link
http://www.informit.com/authors/bio.aspx?a=9693c3a9-e95d-49b8-9856-2c909ff1b5f3

The articles are very very useful



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Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
it also is no longer available.

Any suggestions?

Deirdre


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Hi,
extracts from the Beyond the Basics series are available online at a
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This is the link
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The articles are very very useful



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Subject: Framemaker Books

Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
it also is no longer available.

Any suggestions?

Deirdre


-- 
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RE: Framemaker Books

[Asztalos, Arpad]

Dear Deidre,

The Classroom in a Book is a good one, I have learnt the basics of FM from that 
one. Now it is in use of my brother, he is studying FM from it, I can recommend 
it.

Árpád Asztalos

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I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent resource 
for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but it 
doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but it also 
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Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
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Re: Framemaker Books

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On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Deirdre Reagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all:

  I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
  archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

  I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
  resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.


Very good for starting on your own. Helpful for preparing for
intensive courses, like BrightPath's Bootcamps and for others too, I'm
sure.

  Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
  it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

I highly recommend this book. Look for it at http://www.scriptorium.com/
It is not a Complete Reference as included in the first title, but
an excellent textbook.


  Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
  it also is no longer available.


Don't know it.

HTH,

Bodvar

  Any suggestions?

  Deirdre
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Re: Framemaker Books

[Peter Hirons]

Deidre (and anyone else who's interested)

Sarah O'Keefe's Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference has been
re-published under a slightly different title.  I spoke to her about 18
months ago and she assured me that it was the same content -- and yes, it
is an excellent reference.

-- 

Regards,

Peter

 Hi all:

 I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
 archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

 I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
 resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

 Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
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[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks everyone for all the good information.

Here's what I've learned:

1.  Framemaker 7.0:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent resource,
regardless of what the reviews on Amazon says.

2.  O'Keefe's book, Publishing Fundamentals: Framemaker 7.0
(previously known as Framemaker 7.0: The Complete Reference) is also
an excellent resource.  It's available through www.scriptorium.com as
a PDF, and there are plans in the works to publish an upated version
for Framemaker 8.0.

3.  Scriptorium publishes a number of books about Framemaker, and they
offer training courses also.

(All of this is for posterity -- for someone searching the archives --
hope it help!)

Thanks everyone for your information and advice.  I like Art's
especially -- read it all and every nugget puts you ahead!

Deirdre
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RE: Framemaker Books

[McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)]

Deirdre,

ABEbooks.com is a great resource for used books, and they have 17 copies
of the Beyond the Basics book (which I found very helpful after
Classroom in a Book). Several of the books are practically free +
shipping. Here's the link:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=0735711089sts=tx=0;
y=0

Mike 

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Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but it
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Re: Framemaker Books

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Add Thomas Neuburger's _The Masters Series: FrameMaker 6_ to the list of 
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Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
it also is no longer available.

Any suggestions?

Deirdre

Framemaker Books

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Deirdre Reagan  
wrote:
> Hi all:
>
>  I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
>  archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.
>
>  I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
>  resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.
>

Very good for starting on your own. Helpful for preparing for
intensive courses, like BrightPath's Bootcamps and for others too, I'm
sure.

>  Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
>  it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

I highly recommend this book. Look for it at http://www.scriptorium.com/
It is not a "Complete Reference" as included in the first title, but
an excellent textbook.

>
>  Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
>  it also is no longer available.
>

Don't know it.

HTH,

Bodvar

>  Any suggestions?
>
>  Deirdre
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Framemaker Books

[Art Campbell]

Compared to your time, books are cheap.

And you're allowed to own more than one. ;-  )

If you learn anything from them and also use them for reference, buy
whatever you can find and read them. If you get one or two nuggets
from any of them, you're ahead.

Art

On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Deirdre Reagan
 wrote:
> Hi all:
>
>  I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
>  archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.
>
>  I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
>  resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.
>
>  Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
>  it doesn't seem to be available anymore.
>
>  Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
>  it also is no longer available.
>
>  Any suggestions?
>

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Framemaker Books

[Deirdre Reagan]

Thanks everyone for all the good information.

Here's what I've learned:

1.  Framemaker 7.0:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent resource,
regardless of what the reviews on Amazon says.

2.  O'Keefe's book, Publishing Fundamentals: Framemaker 7.0
(previously known as Framemaker 7.0: The Complete Reference) is also
an excellent resource.  It's available through www.scriptorium.com as
a PDF, and there are plans in the works to publish an upated version
for Framemaker 8.0.

3.  Scriptorium publishes a number of books about Framemaker, and they
offer training courses also.

(All of this is for posterity -- for someone searching the archives --
hope it help!)

Thanks everyone for your information and advice.  I like Art's
especially -- read it all and every nugget puts you ahead!

Deirdre

Framemaker Books

[McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)]

Deirdre,

ABEbooks.com is a great resource for used books, and they have 17 copies
of the "Beyond the Basics" book (which I found very helpful after
"Classroom in a Book"). Several of the books are practically free +
shipping. Here's the link:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=0735711089=t=0;
y=0

Mike 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 10:34 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Framemaker Books

Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but it
also is no longer available.

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Framemaker Books

[Mike Wickham]

Add Thomas Neuburger's _The Masters Series: FrameMaker 6_ to the list of 
good titles. He also sells them from his site: twelfthnight.com.

Mike Wickham