Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
Mathieu.

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RE: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Mathieu,

As far as I know, attachments are not allowed in 
this mailing list. However, your attachment could
not answer questions like these:
o Which graphic format do you use in FrameMaker?
o Are the graphics referenced?
o What is the content of the anchored frames with
  the graphics? Only a single graphics files or
  several graphics files or also any FrameMaker 
  graphics object?
o Do all converted graphics files have a bad quality
  or only specific ones? If not all, what are the
  differences?
o Which graphics settings in the ini file did you
  test with which result?
o Do you use the latest Mif2Go update?

I do not know, whether I can help you. However,
these answers will help to find an answer.

Best regards

Winfried 

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 mathieu jacquet
 Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:50 AM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Graphics quality - Mif2Go
 
 
 Dear all,
 
 we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our 
 documentation and chose Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect 
 except on one point: after conversion, graphics are there, 
 well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original 
 picture and its generated counterpart. We've played with 
 GraphicExportDPI and GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.
 
 Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent 
 quality in our HTML output? I guess it is something to be 
 thought about from scratch, when importing them in Frame. Is 
 there any rule to respect (for instance, import in xx DPI in 
 Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?
 
 Thank you very much in anticipation,
 Mathieu.
 
 P.S.: work environment is FM9 on Vista 64.
 
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Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[rinch]

Mathieu

While I've got the latest version of Mif2Go, I've not used it in quite 
awhile since I no longer have the requirement to produce HTML docs. So, 
I'm in a memory fog here.  Back when I first started to use Mif2Go to 
product HTML docs, I was not happy with the quality of the graphics in my 
HTML output from FrameMaker. If I remember correctly, using the FrameMaker 
export filters resulted in the poor graphics quality. What you need to do 
is use a third party tool to create the graphics, then tell Mif2Go to use 
the third-party graphics directly. In your Mif2Go manual, check out 
4.8.2.3 Using Third Party Graphics Converters (this from my 2007 May 01 
Mif2Go manual).

Best bet is to contact Omni Systems with your question, or maybe Jeremy 
will read your posting and will point you in the right direction. As I 
remember, Mif2Go support (Jeremy) was very helpful.

Good luck,
Richard

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Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Art Campbell]

Although I use MIF2GO for conversion, I usually use PNG format graphics in
my Frame files so no conversion is necessary.

If something needs to change, I usually do a batch resize or conversion of
graphics myself, using Photoshop, although any suitable program should work.

Art

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:28 AM, ri...@inficon.com wrote:

 Mathieu

 While I've got the latest version of Mif2Go, I've not used it in quite
 awhile since I no longer have the requirement to produce HTML docs. So,
 I'm in a memory fog here.  Back when I first started to use Mif2Go to
 product HTML docs, I was not happy with the quality of the graphics in my
 HTML output from FrameMaker. If I remember correctly, using the FrameMaker
 export filters resulted in the poor graphics quality. What you need to do
 is use a third party tool to create the graphics, then tell Mif2Go to use
 the third-party graphics directly. In your Mif2Go manual, check out
 4.8.2.3 Using Third Party Graphics Converters (this from my 2007 May 01
 Mif2Go manual).

 Best bet is to contact Omni Systems with your question, or maybe Jeremy
 will read your posting and will point you in the right direction. As I
 remember, Mif2Go support (Jeremy) was very helpful.

 Good luck,
 Richard

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Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Mathieu

I just use the graphics as is, so I don't convert them.

From the MIF2Go Help:

22.4.1 Using referenced graphics without converting
***22.4.1 Using referenced graphics without converting*

If some referenced graphics are already in a format appropriate for Web use,
such as JPEG, GIF, or PNG (see §29.1.4 *Graphics formats for
HTML*z129x1162767.htm#Rz129x19891);
and if they are alone in their anchored frames (no callouts or in-frametitles,
for example); you do not have to convert them. Either check *Use original
graphic names* in the *Mif2Go* *Export* dialog, or set the following option
in the configuration file:

[Graphics]

UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes

For details, see §29.3.1.4 *Using original files and image sizes
forreferenced graphics
* z129x1194622.htm#Rz129x42868.

The naming is preserved like any other in the img src=.../ tags. Unless
you explicitly remap a name in the [GraphFiles] section (see §22.4.2
*Specifying
formats of replacement graphics* z122x1249169.htm#Rz122x32239), or specify
a GraphSuffix in the [Graphics] section, the graphic name is always passed
through unchanged.

If the original graphics are not in the same folder as the FrameMaker files,
set the following option also (see §22.3 *Locating graphics files for
HTML*z122x1326720.htm#Rz122x81089
):

[Graphics]

StripGraphPath=Yes

If you have supplied replacements for referenced graphics that are in a
different format, and if the replacements have the same base names as the
originals, you can specify just the new file extension (see §29.3.1.2
*Substituting
graphics files for HTML* z129x1112424.htm#Rz129x40236):

[Graphics]

GraphSuffix=jpg

Use this setting when you convert referenced graphics with a third-party
program; see §4.10.2.3 *Using third-party graphics
converters*z104x1000863.htm#Rz104x80713
.

A problem arises if you add any FrameMaker elements, such as arrows or
callouts,
to a referenced graphic. You can direct *Mif2Go* to use the FrameMaker
export filters to convert the whole graphic to JPEG or GIF; see
§4.10.2.2 *Using
FrameMaker graphic export filters* z104x1085973.htm#Rz104x19843. Or you
can reproduce the elements in the external graphic with a third-party
program.

Cheers



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RE: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use FrameMaker 9 in TCS2 patched to p250 on Win32 XP Pro SP3 box.
I use PNG format exclusively, SnagIt 8 to take screenshots and edit, and set to 
96 DPI on all graphics in a FrameMaker frame-shrink.

Recently, after p250 upgrade, I have experienced spontaneous reformatting of 
random graphics. The only evident pattern is that the graphics appear to be 
reformatted to a lower DPI setting than 96 DPI, although FM still displays 
Object Properties as 96 DPI, and that the issue continues to plague me. I 
review my work in FM, build a PostScript file, and distill the PS into a PDF. 
The gnarly graphics are usually noticed in a 3rd party review of the PDF. When 
I check my FM source, the graphic I had previously confirmed as good is now 
gnarly. The fix is to locate the offending graphic,  double-click it to open in 
my default tool, SnagIt 8, then save it. That's all. When I return to FM, the 
graphic is as coded. Due to the state of Adobe Support, I have not reported 
this issue. (I trust that R. J. and Jeremy are lurking.)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.

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Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:50 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Graphics quality - Mif2Go


Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
Mathieu.

P.S.: work environment is FM9 on Vista 64.
  
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Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Yves Barbion]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kelly McDaniel kmcdan...@pavtech.comwrote:

 (...)

 In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker
 and uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related
 issue as I have experienced...regards, Kelly.


You can make MIF2Go do that by selecting the option Do not write graphics
files.

See also: *3.7.4.1 Omitting and restoring graphics production in the
MIF2Go Help*

Cheers


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RE: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

Thanks for the info, however, I’m not currently using Mif2Go in production…that 
may change very soon, tho’…regards, Kelly.

 

From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:33 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

 

 

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kelly McDaniel kmcdan...@pavtech.com wrote:

(...)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.


You can make MIF2Go do that by selecting the option Do not write graphics 
files. 

See also: 3.7.4.1 Omitting and restoring graphics production in the MIF2Go Help

Cheers


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www.scripto.nu

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RE: Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you all for your pieces of advice!

I'll have a look at your options and try to apply them to my workflow.

Thank you again,
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Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[mathieu jacquet]

Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
Mathieu.

P.S.: work environment is FM9 on Vista 64.

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Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Mathieu,

As far as I know, attachments are not allowed in 
this mailing list. However, your attachment could
not answer questions like these:
o Which graphic format do you use in FrameMaker?
o Are the graphics referenced?
o What is the content of the anchored frames with
  the graphics? Only a single graphics files or
  several graphics files or also any FrameMaker 
  graphics object?
o Do all converted graphics files have a bad quality
  or only specific ones? If not all, what are the
  differences?
o Which graphics settings in the ini file did you
  test with which result?
o Do you use the latest Mif2Go update?

I do not know, whether I can help you. However,
these answers will help to find an answer.

Best regards

Winfried 

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> mathieu jacquet
> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:50 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Graphics quality - Mif2Go
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our 
> documentation and chose Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect 
> except on one point: after conversion, graphics are there, 
> well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original 
> picture and its generated counterpart. We've played with 
> GraphicExportDPI and GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.
> 
> Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent 
> quality in our HTML output? I guess it is something to be 
> thought about from scratch, when importing them in Frame. Is 
> there any rule to respect (for instance, import in xx DPI in 
> Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?
> 
> Thank you very much in anticipation,
> Mathieu.
> 
> P.S.: work environment is FM9 on Vista 64.
> 
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> gratuitement sur votre t?l?phone!
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Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[ri...@inficon.com]

Mathieu

While I've got the latest version of Mif2Go, I've not used it in quite 
awhile since I no longer have the requirement to produce HTML docs. So, 
I'm in a memory fog here.  Back when I first started to use Mif2Go to 
product HTML docs, I was not happy with the quality of the graphics in my 
HTML output from FrameMaker. If I remember correctly, using the FrameMaker 
export filters resulted in the poor graphics quality. What you need to do 
is use a third party tool to create the graphics, then tell Mif2Go to use 
the third-party graphics directly. In your Mif2Go manual, check out 
4.8.2.3 Using Third Party Graphics Converters (this from my 2007 May 01 
Mif2Go manual).

Best bet is to contact Omni Systems with your question, or maybe Jeremy 
will read your posting and will point you in the right direction. As I 
remember, Mif2Go support (Jeremy) was very helpful.

Good luck,
Richard

Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Art Campbell]

Although I use MIF2GO for conversion, I usually use PNG format graphics in
my Frame files so no conversion is necessary.

If something needs to change, I usually do a batch resize or conversion of
graphics myself, using Photoshop, although any suitable program should work.

Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:28 AM,  wrote:

> Mathieu
>
> While I've got the latest version of Mif2Go, I've not used it in quite
> awhile since I no longer have the requirement to produce HTML docs. So,
> I'm in a memory fog here.  Back when I first started to use Mif2Go to
> product HTML docs, I was not happy with the quality of the graphics in my
> HTML output from FrameMaker. If I remember correctly, using the FrameMaker
> export filters resulted in the poor graphics quality. What you need to do
> is use a third party tool to create the graphics, then tell Mif2Go to use
> the third-party graphics directly. In your Mif2Go manual, check out
> 4.8.2.3 Using Third Party Graphics Converters (this from my 2007 May 01
> Mif2Go manual).
>
> Best bet is to contact Omni Systems with your question, or maybe Jeremy
> will read your posting and will point you in the right direction. As I
> remember, Mif2Go support (Jeremy) was very helpful.
>
> Good luck,
> Richard
>
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Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Mathieu

I just use the graphics "as is", so I don't convert them.

>From the MIF2Go Help:

22.4.1 Using referenced graphics without converting
***22.4.1 Using referenced graphics without converting*

If some referenced graphics are already in a format appropriate for Web use,
such as JPEG, GIF, or PNG (see ?29.1.4 *Graphics formats for
HTML*);
and if they are alone in their anchored frames (no callouts or in-frametitles,
for example); you do not have to convert them. Either check *Use original
graphic names* in the *Mif2Go* *Export* dialog, or set the following option
in the configuration file:

[Graphics]

UseOriginalGraphicNames=Yes

For details, see ?29.3.1.4 *Using original files and image sizes
forreferenced graphics
* .

The naming is preserved like any other in the  tags. Unless
you explicitly remap a name in the [GraphFiles] section (see ?22.4.2
*Specifying
formats of replacement graphics* ), or specify
a GraphSuffix in the [Graphics] section, the graphic name is always passed
through unchanged.

If the original graphics are not in the same folder as the FrameMaker files,
set the following option also (see ?22.3 *Locating graphics files for
HTML*
):

[Graphics]

StripGraphPath=Yes

If you have supplied replacements for referenced graphics that are in a
different format, and if the replacements have the same base names as the
originals, you can specify just the new file extension (see ?29.3.1.2
*Substituting
graphics files for HTML* ):

[Graphics]

GraphSuffix=jpg

Use this setting when you convert referenced graphics with a third-party
program; see ?4.10.2.3 *Using third-party graphics
converters*
. 

A problem arises if you add any FrameMaker elements, such as arrows or
callouts,
to a referenced graphic. You can direct *Mif2Go* to use the FrameMaker
export filters to convert the whole graphic to JPEG or GIF; see
?4.10.2.2 *Using
FrameMaker graphic export filters* . Or you
can reproduce the elements in the external graphic with a third-party
program.

Cheers



-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

I use FrameMaker 9 in TCS2 patched to p250 on Win32 XP Pro SP3 box.
I use PNG format exclusively, SnagIt 8 to take screenshots and edit, and set to 
96 DPI on all graphics in a FrameMaker frame-shrink.

Recently, after p250 upgrade, I have experienced spontaneous "reformatting" of 
random graphics. The only evident pattern is that the graphics appear to be 
reformatted to a lower DPI setting than 96 DPI, although FM still displays 
Object Properties as 96 DPI, and that the issue continues to plague me. I 
review my work in FM, build a PostScript file, and distill the PS into a PDF. 
The gnarly graphics are usually noticed in a 3rd party review of the PDF. When 
I check my FM source, the graphic I had previously confirmed as "good" is now 
gnarly. The fix is to locate the offending graphic,  double-click it to open in 
my default tool, SnagIt 8, then save it. That's all. When I return to FM, the 
graphic is "as coded." Due to the state of Adobe Support, I have not reported 
this issue. (I trust that R. J. and Jeremy are lurking.)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mathieu jacquet
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 3:50 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Graphics quality - Mif2Go


Dear all,

we are generating EclipseHelp and OmniHelp for our documentation and chose 
Mif2Go. Everything runs perfect except on one point: after conversion, graphics 
are there, well layed out but of terrible quality. I attach an original picture 
and its generated counterpart. We've played with GraphicExportDPI and 
GraphicExportFormat but to no avail so far.

Do you have any strategy for obtaining graphics of a decent quality in our HTML 
output? I guess it is something to be thought about from scratch, when 
importing them in Frame. Is there any rule to respect (for instance, import in 
xx DPI in Frame, then set GraphicExportDPI to xx DPI)?

Thank you very much in anticipation,
Mathieu.

P.S.: work environment is FM9 on Vista 64.

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Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Yves Barbion]

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kelly McDaniel wrote:

> (...)
>
> In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker
> and uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related
> issue as I have experienced...regards, Kelly.
>

You can make MIF2Go do that by selecting the option "Do not write graphics
files".

See also: *3.7.4.1 Omitting and restoring graphics production in the
MIF2Go Help*

Cheers


-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[Kelly McDaniel]

Thanks for the info, however, I?m not currently using Mif2Go in production?that 
may change very soon, tho??regards, Kelly.



From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:33 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Graphics quality - Mif2Go





On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Kelly McDaniel  
wrote:

(...)

In conclusion, my belief is that Mif2Go grabs the graphic from FrameMaker and 
uses it the way it finds it. You may very well have the same/related issue as I 
have experienced...regards, Kelly.


You can make MIF2Go do that by selecting the option "Do not write graphics 
files". 

See also: 3.7.4.1 Omitting and restoring graphics production in the MIF2Go Help

Cheers


-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu

Graphics quality - Mif2Go

[mathieu jacquet]

Thank you all for your pieces of advice!

I'll have a look at your options and try to apply them to my workflow.

Thank you again,
Mathieu.

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