Re: [Framers] Mystery Tags in HTML Mapping Table
Does that feature actually work? I tried to use it a few years back and it seemed like an unfinished thing that wasn't actually usable. I've found mystery formats hiding in reference pages and in the .book file (which you can find by exporting it to MIF). On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:16 PM Karen Robbins wrote: > > Hi Framers, > I have carefully prepared the HTML mapping table (for a large single > document) but FM 2019 keeps adding nonexistent paragraph and character tags > to it. I have no choice but to use FM's dismal HTML output. I just don't > want more junk in that output. > > After multiple searches, my document contains only used tags (plus required > defaults). I removed legacy tags from single blank spaces. I combed master > pages to remove unwanted tags; there are only used master pages, plus > required defaults. There is no evidence of hidden frames (but...). A tiny > blank paragraph might hide something; neither FM nor Silicon Prairie tools > reveal same. Some unwanted tags were used previously, then > replaced/deleted; those do not appear in paragraph or character catalogs, > and can't be found in the document. > > If I accidentally deleted a required default from the mapping table, of > course it should reappear. Others, not so much. Also, I can't explain a > table entry for "C:Default font" (with "EM" in the "XML Element" column). > > Any thoughts? > > Thanks as always, > Karen > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mystery Tags in HTML Mapping Table
These are two places I know formats can hide: Check for them in the default table formats by putting inserting a table of each type. If it shows up in one of those, redefine the para where it is used to one of your defined formats and resave the new table as the default table format of that name. If you have a document that does not uses facing pages (sensible for HTML output), set the document to use L&R master pages. You may find the offending paragraph used on "unused" master page. Delete everything of that master page and then set you document back to use only the defined master page (I believe this will be the 'Right' master page. Craig ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Mystery Tags in HTML Mapping Table
Hi Framers, I have carefully prepared the HTML mapping table (for a large single document) but FM 2019 keeps adding nonexistent paragraph and character tags to it. I have no choice but to use FM's dismal HTML output. I just don't want more junk in that output. After multiple searches, my document contains only used tags (plus required defaults). I removed legacy tags from single blank spaces. I combed master pages to remove unwanted tags; there are only used master pages, plus required defaults. There is no evidence of hidden frames (but...). A tiny blank paragraph might hide something; neither FM nor Silicon Prairie tools reveal same. Some unwanted tags were used previously, then replaced/deleted; those do not appear in paragraph or character catalogs, and can't be found in the document. If I accidentally deleted a required default from the mapping table, of course it should reappear. Others, not so much. Also, I can't explain a table entry for "C:Default font" (with "EM" in the "XML Element" column). Any thoughts? Thanks as always, Karen ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Save As HTML, character tags, HTML mapping table, and extra line feed/hard returns
I don't believe there's any way to configure Save as HTML. It's legacy code and not very useful. Try running the HTML through a pretty-print utility such as HTML Tidy. On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Patrick Edwards wrote: > > It isn't, meaning it isn't a technical problem. It's something I have > to address, and that's all I can say about it. > >>>> Robert Lauriston 6/13/2017 10:00 AM >>> > Why is that a problem? > > On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Patrick Edwards > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a question about the HTML mapping table in FrameMaker > reference >> pages and the Save As HTML function. I find that when I Save As > HTML, >> FrameMaker inserts a hard return after every opening and closing tag >> mapped to Character Designer formats. In other words, anything I've >> tagged Superscript or Subscript ends up like this in the HTML > output: >> >> SO >> 4 >> >> >> 2− >> >> >> Is there a way to eliminate that extra hard return at Save As HTML >> export? >> >> I know I can search and replace in a text editor, but I'd rather fix >> the problem at source if possible. I know I should be using HTML5 >> Publishing output, we're moving that way but we're not there yet. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Save As HTML, character tags, HTML mapping table, and extra line feed/hard returns
It isn't, meaning it isn't a technical problem. It's something I have to address, and that's all I can say about it. >>> Robert Lauriston 6/13/2017 10:00 AM >>> Why is that a problem? On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Patrick Edwards wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a question about the HTML mapping table in FrameMaker reference > pages and the Save As HTML function. I find that when I Save As HTML, > FrameMaker inserts a hard return after every opening and closing tag > mapped to Character Designer formats. In other words, anything I've > tagged Superscript or Subscript ends up like this in the HTML output: > > SO > 4 > > > 2− > > > Is there a way to eliminate that extra hard return at Save As HTML > export? > > I know I can search and replace in a text editor, but I'd rather fix > the problem at source if possible. I know I should be using HTML5 > Publishing output, we're moving that way but we're not there yet. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Save As HTML, character tags, HTML mapping table, and extra line feed/hard returns
Why is that a problem? On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 7:41 AM, Patrick Edwards wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a question about the HTML mapping table in FrameMaker reference > pages and the Save As HTML function. I find that when I Save As HTML, > FrameMaker inserts a hard return after every opening and closing tag > mapped to Character Designer formats. In other words, anything I've > tagged Superscript or Subscript ends up like this in the HTML output: > > SO > 4 > > > 2− > > > Is there a way to eliminate that extra hard return at Save As HTML > export? > > I know I can search and replace in a text editor, but I'd rather fix > the problem at source if possible. I know I should be using HTML5 > Publishing output, we're moving that way but we're not there yet. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Save As HTML, character tags, HTML mapping table, and extra line feed/hard returns
Hi, I have a question about the HTML mapping table in FrameMaker reference pages and the Save As HTML function. I find that when I Save As HTML, FrameMaker inserts a hard return after every opening and closing tag mapped to Character Designer formats. In other words, anything I've tagged Superscript or Subscript ends up like this in the HTML output: SO 4 2− Is there a way to eliminate that extra hard return at Save As HTML export? I know I can search and replace in a text editor, but I'd rather fix the problem at source if possible. I know I should be using HTML5 Publishing output, we're moving that way but we're not there yet. Thanks for any and all help, Patrick Patrick H. Edwards Production Editor and Web Administrator International Ocean Discovery Program JOIDES Resolution Science Operator Texas A&M University 1000 Discovery Drive College Station TX 77845-9547 979 845 1199 edwa...@iodp.tamu.edu ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: HTML Mapping Table
Docs that are free of cruft are easier to maintain and easier for some future writer to take over. Often when I've inherited .fm files from other writers 90% of what's on the reference pages is cruft. That's of no concern until there's a problem, at which point it can greatly increase the amount of time required to troubleshoot and resolve it. At that point I usually just clean out all the cruft. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: HTML Mapping Table
It also saves me the time and space of describing them in my template documentation (where all the different FM objects used, including reference pages are described). But you're right, it probably is not something you should do retroactively if your template documentation is meager. You might break something. (In this case, if you know you aren't producing HTML that is very unlikely.) Craig From: docu...@hotmail.com To: craig...@hotmail.com; jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2014 14:32:40 -0400 Yeah, and what a huge space savings it is. About 22 KB according to some tests I ran a while back to see if it was worth the bother. If you delete it from 50 files, you'll save a whole megabyte. Delete it from 50,000 files and you'll save a whole gigabyte, or about 0.2% of a typical internal hard drive. The way I see it, the HTML mapping reference page causes no harm, causes only a very minor inconvenience with its presence (how many times do you actually go into the references pages for a given file, anyway?), and takes up an insignificant amount of additional disk space, even if I'm compulsive and save 20 intermediate versions of a document. It's simply not worth my time to pay any attention to it. In my experience, people who get obsessive about removing *all* unused formats and features from FrameMaker documents spend a lot of time for no day-to-day performance or stability improvement, and often inadvertently break something in the bargain. If a legacy document works properly, don't go looking for trouble in the name of reducing file size, because gigabytes are very cheap these days--on the order of $0.10 per gigabyte. And for most of us, $0.10 only pays for about 10 *seconds* of our time. -Fred Ridder From: craig...@hotmail.com To: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:34:14 -0500 You can delete them. There are multiple HTML pages and you have to delete them one by one. They will reappear if you do a saveAs HTML. I routinely delete them in templates that don't use them as a space saving measure. This is the behavior in FM11 and before. I expect it is the same in FM12. Craig From: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:24:16 + I’m pretty sure it just in there in the off-chance that you create HTML straight out of FM (which you wouldn’t because it’s supposedly pretty horrible – thus MIF2Go). I think it’s completely harmless to leave in there. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pam Harper Sent: April-08-14 5:12 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: HTML Mapping Table I have an HTML mapping table showing up my reference pages. I’m fairly certain I don’t need it—unless someone can explain why I may need it? I don’t create any help from Frame, but I may just be showing my ignorance, hence my first question. This mapping table came from an old Frame 7 template (which we were creating help files), which unfortunately carries over even though I’ve updated the templates. Next, I tried to delete the table from the reference pages, and when I delete the page, it reproduces itself about 8 times, and I have to manually delete all the “new” ones that popped up. Any suggestions on what is going on and how to delete once? I use Frame 12 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://list
RE: HTML Mapping Table
Yeah, and what a huge space savings it is. About 22 KB according to some tests I ran a while back to see if it was worth the bother. If you delete it from 50 files, you'll save a whole megabyte. Delete it from 50,000 files and you'll save a whole gigabyte, or about 0.2% of a typical internal hard drive. The way I see it, the HTML mapping reference page causes no harm, causes only a very minor inconvenience with its presence (how many times do you actually go into the references pages for a given file, anyway?), and takes up an insignificant amount of additional disk space, even if I'm compulsive and save 20 intermediate versions of a document. It's simply not worth my time to pay any attention to it. In my experience, people who get obsessive about removing *all* unused formats and features from FrameMaker documents spend a lot of time for no day-to-day performance or stability improvement, and often inadvertently break something in the bargain. If a legacy document works properly, don't go looking for trouble in the name of reducing file size, because gigabytes are very cheap these days--on the order of $0.10 per gigabyte. And for most of us, $0.10 only pays for about 10 *seconds* of our time. -Fred Ridder From: craig...@hotmail.com To: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 13:34:14 -0500 You can delete them. There are multiple HTML pages and you have to delete them one by one. They will reappear if you do a saveAs HTML. I routinely delete them in templates that don't use them as a space saving measure. This is the behavior in FM11 and before. I expect it is the same in FM12. Craig From: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:24:16 + I’m pretty sure it just in there in the off-chance that you create HTML straight out of FM (which you wouldn’t because it’s supposedly pretty horrible – thus MIF2Go). I think it’s completely harmless to leave in there. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pam Harper Sent: April-08-14 5:12 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: HTML Mapping Table I have an HTML mapping table showing up my reference pages. I’m fairly certain I don’t need it—unless someone can explain why I may need it? I don’t create any help from Frame, but I may just be showing my ignorance, hence my first question. This mapping table came from an old Frame 7 template (which we were creating help files), which unfortunately carries over even though I’ve updated the templates. Next, I tried to delete the table from the reference pages, and when I delete the page, it reproduces itself about 8 times, and I have to manually delete all the “new” ones that popped up. Any suggestions on what is going on and how to delete once? I use Frame 12 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: HTML Mapping Table
You can delete them. There are multiple HTML pages and you have to delete them one by one. They will reappear if you do a saveAs HTML. I routinely delete them in templates that don't use them as a space saving measure. This is the behavior in FM11 and before. I expect it is the same in FM12. Craig From: jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: HTML Mapping Table Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 12:24:16 + I’m pretty sure it just in there in the off-chance that you create HTML straight out of FM (which you wouldn’t because it’s supposedly pretty horrible – thus MIF2Go). I think it’s completely harmless to leave in there. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pam Harper Sent: April-08-14 5:12 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: HTML Mapping Table I have an HTML mapping table showing up my reference pages. I’m fairly certain I don’t need it—unless someone can explain why I may need it? I don’t create any help from Frame, but I may just be showing my ignorance, hence my first question. This mapping table came from an old Frame 7 template (which we were creating help files), which unfortunately carries over even though I’ve updated the templates. Next, I tried to delete the table from the reference pages, and when I delete the page, it reproduces itself about 8 times, and I have to manually delete all the “new” ones that popped up. Any suggestions on what is going on and how to delete once? I use Frame 12 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as craig...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/craigede%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: HTML Mapping Table
I'm pretty sure it just in there in the off-chance that you create HTML straight out of FM (which you wouldn't because it's supposedly pretty horrible - thus MIF2Go). I think it's completely harmless to leave in there. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Pam Harper Sent: April-08-14 5:12 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: HTML Mapping Table I have an HTML mapping table showing up my reference pages. I'm fairly certain I don't need it-unless someone can explain why I may need it? I don't create any help from Frame, but I may just be showing my ignorance, hence my first question. This mapping table came from an old Frame 7 template (which we were creating help files), which unfortunately carries over even though I've updated the templates. Next, I tried to delete the table from the reference pages, and when I delete the page, it reproduces itself about 8 times, and I have to manually delete all the "new" ones that popped up. Any suggestions on what is going on and how to delete once? I use Frame 12 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
HTML Mapping Table
I have an HTML mapping table showing up my reference pages. I'm fairly certain I don't need it-unless someone can explain why I may need it? I don't create any help from Frame, but I may just be showing my ignorance, hence my first question. This mapping table came from an old Frame 7 template (which we were creating help files), which unfortunately carries over even though I've updated the templates. Next, I tried to delete the table from the reference pages, and when I delete the page, it reproduces itself about 8 times, and I have to manually delete all the "new" ones that popped up. Any suggestions on what is going on and how to delete once? I use Frame 12 on a 64-bit Windows 7 system. Pam ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
