Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
David Bills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/10/2006 04:50:57 AM: The point I'm attempting to make is that large departments, particularly those that weigh specialized technical skills and experience higher than desktop publishing skills, should factor the Frame capabilities of their less skilled Frame users into these types of decisions. And employees, who value their jobs and take professional pride in their work should be able to learn to do something fairly simple like making Xrefs. But I understand your concern. Some people just can't 'get' certain ways of working. But, IMO, it is the place of management to set the minimum expectations and discipline accordingly. Actually, if your Xrefs were breaking it was probably more to do with the setup than the writers. No amount of training will help a Frame user keep Xrefs connected if the path includes a drive root. Those will break eventually no matter how hard you try. But, all limitations in that regard can be overcome with either the BookUtils plug-in or an in-house script. It can be as simple as each file having a copy of the nomenclature file copied locally so that all links are relative and immediate. The Xrefs then simply need to be pointed to the central file for production or copies of the central file placed with the working files. However you maintain and/or store the target files, maintaining and resolving the Xrefs should be quite simple to do. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Rene Stephenson wrote on 06/09/2006 04:43:01 PM: > Changing to text destroys the purpose of using the xref (e.g., one-stop > updating/changes). You only do it just before creating the PDF. You don't save the documents. So, there's no loss of functionality in the FrameMaker working files... Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _
Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
"David Bills" wrote on 06/10/2006 04:50:57 AM: > The point I'm attempting to make is that large departments, particularly > those that weigh specialized technical skills and experience higher than > desktop publishing skills, should factor the Frame capabilities of their > less skilled Frame users into these types of decisions. And employees, who value their jobs and take professional pride in their work should be able to learn to do something fairly simple like making Xrefs. But I understand your concern. Some people just can't 'get' certain ways of working. But, IMO, it is the place of management to set the minimum expectations and discipline accordingly. Actually, if your Xrefs were breaking it was probably more to do with the setup than the writers. No amount of training will help a Frame user keep Xrefs connected if the path includes a drive root. Those will break eventually no matter how hard you try. But, all limitations in that regard can be overcome with either the BookUtils plug-in or an in-house script. It can be as simple as each file having a copy of the nomenclature file copied locally so that all links are relative and immediate. The Xrefs then simply need to be pointed to the central file for production or copies of the central file placed with the working files. However you maintain and/or store the target files, maintaining and resolving the Xrefs should be quite simple to do. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Eric, It may not be a relevant issue for you, but our department switched from xrefs to variables because the less experienced Frame users kept breaking the links and generating unresolved xrefs. We didn't think this would be difficult problem to resolve, but a number of the writers kept breaking the links after they had been trained, so we changed the way we managed the nomenclatures. The point I'm attempting to make is that large departments, particularly those that weigh specialized technical skills and experience higher than desktop publishing skills, should factor the Frame capabilities of their less skilled Frame users into these types of decisions. Dave Bills - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Posada [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@frameusers.com Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?] The text content of a cross-reference is limited by what you can build using the Xref building blocks. It may be possible to have a Xref that produces multiple paragraphs (Using \R in the def?) but I doubt it would be workable. But to combine multiple paragraphs, you need to have information that's consistently tagged and organised. Then, it's only really workable to create strings as I have done. For multiple paras, I'd stick to insets. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/09/2006 10:41:06 AM: No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into another document. Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a problem? than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dmbills%40cfl.rr.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Eric, It may not be a relevant issue for you, but our department switched from xrefs to variables because the less experienced Frame users kept breaking the links and generating unresolved xrefs. We didn't think this would be difficult problem to resolve, but a number of the writers kept breaking the links after they had been trained, so we changed the way we managed the nomenclatures. The point I'm attempting to make is that large departments, particularly those that weigh specialized technical skills and experience higher than desktop publishing skills, should factor the Frame capabilities of their less skilled Frame users into these types of decisions. Dave Bills - Original Message - From: <eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com> To: "John Posada" Cc: Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?] The text content of a cross-reference is limited by what you can build using the Xref building blocks. It may be possible to have a Xref that produces multiple paragraphs (Using \R in the def?) but I doubt it would be workable. But to combine multiple paragraphs, you need to have information that's consistently tagged and organised. Then, it's only really workable to create strings as I have done. For multiple paras, I'd stick to insets. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer framers-bounces+eric.dunn=ca.transport.bombardier.com at lists.frameusers.com wrote on 06/09/2006 10:41:06 AM: > No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into > another document. > Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a > problem? > > than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert > > with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three > > paragraphs. > > John Posada > Senior Technical Writer > "So long and thanks for all the fish." > ___ ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dmbills at cfl.rr.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dmbills%40cfl.rr.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
At 14:39 -0400 8/6/06, Schoen, Brady wrote: What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? Brady - all the ideas presented here already would handle some or all of your issues if used correctly. However, from your description above, I wonder whether the variant information is not - or can be made not - part of the flow of the remainder of the document(s), *and* that entires page's contents are variant? If this is the case, possibly your simplest approach to conditional tags, which should get round the blank page issue you mention, is to place all the variant page content within an anchored frame, and conditionalize that. Turing off the tag will then conceal the entire frame's contents - rather than conditionalizing it item by item. If you try this, be aware that FrameMaker allows you to conditionalize *both* an anchored frame [i.e. its anchor] *and* the paragraph/text in which it lies. The results of not displaying the tagged material will differ: in one case only the frame will disappear, in the other its enclosing text/paragraph will also disappear. You probably want to tag the paragraph that encloses the anchored frame. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Actually, where I have worked in the past, we used a combination of both variables *and* conditional text for multiple versions of a product. FWIW. Chuck Beck -Original Message- Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much* more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change command). My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
This might work better than text insets. I use text insets for definitions of fields on screens and for introductory paragraphs that are used in more than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. Nancy Carpenter Lead Technical Writer GENCO Distribution System 100 Papercraft Park Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238 |-+--- | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Sent by:| | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | | meusers.com | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2006 09:58 AM | | | | |-+--- --| | | | To: Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: framers@frameusers.com | | Subject: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?] | --| Ridder, Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/08/2006 11:57:39 AM: In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. Personally, I don't like conditional text. Usually it gets far too complex very quickly and you're hobbled by the limitation of OR logic for overlapping conditions. But, are variables the right answer? Why not Xrefs instead? Perhaps this idea isn't terribly Earth shattering, but it came to me in a flash and I've been using it successfully for some time now. The idea struck me as more of a 'DUH' kind of realisation when I implemented it, but after giving a FrameMaker class, I was amazed at how foreign the idea seemed to so many. The situation was this: hundreds of components, multiple ways of writing their descriptions, abbreviations, and specifications which led to an unmanageable mass of variables. So, I turned to cross-references. A stand-alone document contains a three column table. Column 1 - CB Number Column 2 - CB Placard Column 3 - Complete description ex: CB1 LIGHTINGCB1, LIGHTING Three cross-reference formats are used: 1 - CBNumber 2 - CBPlacard 3 - CBPlacard (Num) So, depending on the requirements I can include CB1, LIGHTING, or LIGHTING (CB1) in my documentation. If the placard or information changes, I change the source document and that's it. A generate update of all books ensures the data is correct. I've actually begun using the same approach for terms and equipment names. Any text that needs to maintain consistency is grouped with like terms in a file. So three HUGE advantages IMO. First, no need to maintain a MIF snippet of variables or using a script/plug-in to import user variables only (because invariably, one or more of the system variables are defined differently for different sections/files). Second, instead of hundreds of variables, I have 3 Xref formats. Third, generating and updating is already a step in the publishing process. So, the step of importing variables is skipped and not there to be forgotten. What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into another document. Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a problem? than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
The text content of a cross-reference is limited by what you can build using the Xref building blocks. It may be possible to have a Xref that produces multiple paragraphs (Using \R in the def?) but I doubt it would be workable. But to combine multiple paragraphs, you need to have information that's consistently tagged and organised. Then, it's only really workable to create strings as I have done. For multiple paras, I'd stick to insets. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/09/2006 10:41:06 AM: No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into another document. Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a problem? than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Likewise here, as well as text insets from Reference pages. Variables = Names, short strings (ex: Select this option to enable, xth, For more information, refer to:, etc.) Insets = Table cells whose contents are identical, functionality that appears repeated times (example we have a tab that appears for every analysis; while I could make it a general info entry, the other tabs in this dialog are discussed in detail for each individual analysis. This is for HTML, not hardcopy, which would mean jumping back and forth. With an insert, I can ensure that the same text appears for each analysis. (Yes, I should probably re-architect this document, but that's currently not an option.) Conditions = We deliver a product that has various function levels (Standard, Premium, Advanced). Each level subsumeds the entirety of the previous level. So I have tagged those features which aare in Premium and Advanced with Premium, and those which are in Advanced are also tagged with Advanced. Setting the condition removes the tagged item(s) from view. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beck, Charles Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:02 AM To: Ridder, Fred; Anne Robotti; Schoen, Brady Cc: framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? Actually, where I have worked in the past, we used a combination of both variables *and* conditional text for multiple versions of a product. FWIW. Chuck Beck -Original Message- Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much* more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change command). My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/grant.hogarth%40reut ers.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Eric Dunn wrote: The situation was this: hundreds of components, multiple ways of writing their descriptions, abbreviations, and specifications which led to an unmanageable mass of variables. So, I turned to cross-references. snip detailed description What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Yeah, potentially char formats, but maybe not. IIRC, there are some formatting characteristics that are preserved in xrefs and some that aren't. I think the basic variants of a font (e.g., bold, italic) are discarded, but significant changes (e.g., Symbol, superscript) are preserved. I'm afraid I don't recall the details -- maybe someone else does? I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! If your deliverables are printed books, of course, this isn't an issue. :-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! Actually they'd become BROKEN hyperlinks, since most likely the referenced document isn't included in the doc set! Deb Correia ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/09/2006 01:09:11 PM: I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! Not a problem. You just change all those Xrefs into text and all is good. The Xref formats used for the purpose of terminology are used ONLY for terminology... Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou protégés et est destiné à l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les présentes avisée qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez reçu par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et détruire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilisée afin d'assurer la sécurité de nos systems d'information et qu'elle furètera les courriels entrant. Merci. _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Eric, Nice innovation. One of the challenges some writing teams face is project portability vs. linking to shared content on a network. Sometimes variables provide a way to maintain portability and standards without requiring a live connection to a LAN architecture. Single-sourcing and using shared content across multiple documents in a library and among several writers at various locations can get challenging. Your solution could work for some situations that come to my mind, though. In my experience, you can format a cross-reference by using various character tags in the cross-reference definition, but any cross-reference otherwise uses the paragraph formatting of the destination, rather than the source. For most traditional uses of cross-referencing, this default works well. Whether you can flip that around by hacking at something, I don't know...but I usually avoid changing .ini files and the like, if at all possible. Rene Stephenson --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer Rene L. Stephenson eNovative Solutions, Inc. Business Phone: 678-513-0051 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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At 14:39 -0400 8/6/06, Schoen, Brady wrote: >What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts Listing" on the >right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a >word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages >(1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 >brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages >and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What >happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a >blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I >delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items >again. Any ideas? Brady - all the ideas presented here already would handle some or all of your issues if used correctly. However, from your description above, I wonder whether the variant information is not - or can be made not - part of the flow of the remainder of the document(s), *and* that entires page's contents are variant? If this is the case, possibly your simplest approach to conditional tags, which should get round the blank page issue you mention, is to place all the variant page content within an anchored frame, and conditionalize that. Turing off the tag will then conceal the entire frame's contents - rather than conditionalizing it item by item. If you try this, be aware that FrameMaker allows you to conditionalize *both* an anchored frame [i.e. its anchor] *and* the paragraph/text in which it lies. The results of not displaying the tagged material will differ: in one case only the frame will disappear, in the other its enclosing text/paragraph will also disappear. You probably want to tag the paragraph that encloses the anchored frame. -- Steve
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Actually, where I have worked in the past, we used a combination of both variables *and* conditional text for multiple versions of a product. FWIW. Chuck Beck -Original Message- Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much* more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change command). My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ
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Have you tried inserting the page elements in an anchored frame and then applying the conditional text to the anchored frame tag? This may eliminate the extra pages. Robin Potts Technical Writer ADTRAN EN Tech Pubs robin.potts at adtran.com 963-6131 Message: 11 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:01:16 -0400 From: "Schoen, Brady" <brady.sch...@sunflowermfg.com> Subject: Hiding Pages? To: "'framers at frameusers.com'" Message-ID: <81C7B67B10ED954385FE84FF2BE58B72207C73 at agbelexg01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a chapter in a book and then just "Hide" the decal pages that I don't want shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and formating intact? Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. Thanks, Brady
Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
"Ridder, Fred" wrote on 06/08/2006 11:57:39 AM: > In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* > more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because > you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value > definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant > is added to the list. Personally, I don't like conditional text. Usually it gets far too complex very quickly and you're hobbled by the limitation of OR logic for overlapping conditions. But, are variables the right answer? Why not Xrefs instead? Perhaps this idea isn't terribly Earth shattering, but it came to me in a flash and I've been using it successfully for some time now. The idea struck me as more of a 'DUH' kind of realisation when I implemented it, but after giving a FrameMaker class, I was amazed at how foreign the idea seemed to so many. The situation was this: hundreds of components, multiple ways of writing their descriptions, abbreviations, and specifications which led to an unmanageable mass of variables. So, I turned to cross-references. A stand-alone document contains a three column table. Column 1 - CB Number Column 2 - CB Placard Column 3 - Complete description ex: CB1 LIGHTINGCB1, LIGHTING Three cross-reference formats are used: 1 - CBNumber 2 - CBPlacard 3 - CBPlacard (Num) So, depending on the requirements I can include CB1, LIGHTING, or LIGHTING (CB1) in my documentation. If the placard or information changes, I change the source document and that's it. A generate update of all books ensures the data is correct. I've actually begun using the same approach for terms and equipment names. Any text that needs to maintain consistency is grouped with like terms in a file. So three HUGE advantages IMO. First, no need to maintain a MIF snippet of variables or using a script/plug-in to import user variables only (because invariably, one or more of the system variables are defined differently for different sections/files). Second, instead of hundreds of variables, I have 3 Xref formats. Third, generating and updating is already a step in the publishing process. So, the step of importing variables is skipped and not there to be forgotten. What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _
Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
This might work better than text insets. I use text insets for definitions of fields on screens and for introductory paragraphs that are used in more than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three paragraphs. Nancy Carpenter Lead Technical Writer GENCO Distribution System 100 Papercraft Park Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 15238 |-+---> | | eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com | | | Sent by:| | | framers-bounces+carpentn=genco.com at lists.fra| | | meusers.com | | | | | | | | | 06/09/2006 09:58 AM | | | | |-+---> >--| | | | To: "Ridder, Fred" | | cc: framers at frameusers.com | | Subject: Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?] | >--| "Ridder, Fred" wrote on 06/08/2006 11:57:39 AM: > In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* > more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because > you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value > definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant > is added to the list. Personally, I don't like conditional text. Usually it gets far too complex very quickly and you're hobbled by the limitation of OR logic for overlapping conditions. But, are variables the right answer? Why not Xrefs instead? Perhaps this idea isn't terribly Earth shattering, but it came to me in a flash and I've been using it successfully for some time now. The idea struck me as more of a 'DUH' kind of realisation when I implemented it, but after giving a FrameMaker class, I was amazed at how foreign the idea seemed to so many. The situation was this: hundreds of components, multiple ways of writing their descriptions, abbreviations, and specifications which led to an unmanageable mass of variables. So, I turned to cross-references. A stand-alone document contains a three column table. Column 1 - CB Number Column 2 - CB Placard Column 3 - Complete description ex: CB1 LIGHTINGCB1, LIGHTING Three cross-reference formats are used: 1 - CBNumber 2 - CBPlacard 3 - CBPlacard (Num) So, depending on the requirements I can include CB1, LIGHTING, or LIGHTING (CB1) in my documentation. If the placard or information changes, I change the source document and that's it. A generate update of all books ensures the data is correct. I've actually begun using the same approach for terms and equipment names. Any text that needs to maintain consistency is grouped with like terms in a file. So three HUGE advantages IMO. First, no need to maintain a MIF snippet of variables or using a script/plug-in to import user variables only (because invariably, one or more of the system variables are defined differently for different sections/files). Second, instead of hundreds of variables, I have 3 Xref formats. Third, generating and updating is already a step in the publishing process. So, the step of importing variables is skipped and not there to be forgotten. What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether character formatting applied in the source (all character tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and destination) is kept in the destination or not... Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Pl
Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into another document. Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a problem? > than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert > with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three > paragraphs. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Variables vs Cross-references vs Text Insets [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
The text content of a cross-reference is limited by what you can build using the Xref building blocks. It may be possible to have a Xref that produces multiple paragraphs (Using \R in the def?) but I doubt it would be workable. But to combine multiple paragraphs, you need to have information that's consistently tagged and organised. Then, it's only really workable to create strings as I have done. For multiple paras, I'd stick to insets. Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer framers-bounces+eric.dunn=ca.transport.bombardier.com at lists.frameusers.com wrote on 06/09/2006 10:41:06 AM: > No...I've imported documents that were hundreds of pages long into > another document. > Of course, everything has a limit...maybe a million pages might be a > problem? > > than one chapter. Is there a limit to how much text you can insert > > with a cross reference? My introductions often are two or three > > paragraphs. > > John Posada > Senior Technical Writer > "So long and thanks for all the fish." > ___ ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _
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Likewise here, as well as text insets from Reference pages. Variables = Names, short strings (ex: "Select this option to enable", "xth", "For more information, refer to:", etc.) Insets = Table cells whose contents are identical, functionality that appears repeated times (example we have a tab that appears for every analysis; while I could make it a "general info" entry, the other tabs in this dialog are discussed in detail for each individual analysis. This is for HTML, not hardcopy, which would mean jumping back and forth. With an insert, I can ensure that the same text appears for each analysis. (Yes, I should probably re-architect this document, but that's currently not an option.) Conditions = We deliver a product that has various function levels (Standard, Premium, Advanced). Each level subsumeds the entirety of the previous level. So I have tagged those features which aare in Premium and Advanced with Premium, and those which are in Advanced are also tagged with Advanced. Setting the condition removes the tagged item(s) from view. Grant -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Beck, Charles Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:02 AM To: Ridder, Fred; Anne Robotti; Schoen, Brady Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? Actually, where I have worked in the past, we used a combination of both variables *and* conditional text for multiple versions of a product. FWIW. Chuck Beck -Original Message- Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much* more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change command). My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Grant.Hogarth at reuters.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/grant.hogarth%40reut ers.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd.
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Eric Dunn wrote: > The situation was this: hundreds of components, multiple ways > of writing their descriptions, abbreviations, and > specifications which led to an unmanageable mass of variables. > > So, I turned to cross-references. > What are the downsides? Well, so far nothing. But I have an > itch in the back of my skull concerning Xrefs and character > formatting that I just can't shake. Something as to whether > character formatting applied in the source (all character > tagging is done using catalogue formats common to source and > destination) is kept in the destination or not... > > Anyone know what I should be worrying about? Yeah, potentially char formats, but maybe not. IIRC, there are some formatting characteristics that are preserved in xrefs and some that aren't. I think the basic variants of a font (e.g., bold, italic) are discarded, but significant changes (e.g., Symbol, superscript) are preserved. I'm afraid I don't recall the details -- maybe someone else does? I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! If your deliverables are printed books, of course, this isn't an issue. :-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
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> I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this > way because they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! Actually they'd become BROKEN hyperlinks, since most likely the referenced document isn't included in the doc set! Deb Correia
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"Combs, Richard" wrote on 06/09/2006 01:09:11 PM: > I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because > they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! Not a problem. You just change all those Xrefs into text and all is good. The Xref formats used for the purpose of terminology are used ONLY for terminology... Eric L. Dunn Senior Technical Writer ___ This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain confidential or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is in use and will browse through incoming emails. Thank you. _ Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot?g?s et est destin? ? l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par les pr?sentes avis?e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re?u par inadvertance, veuillez nous en aviser et d?truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis?e afin d'assurer la s?curit? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur?tera les courriels entrant. Merci. _
Variables vs Cross-references [WAS: Hiding Pages?]
Changing to text destroys the purpose of using the xref (e.g., one-stop updating/changes). I think you can modify PDF setup not to convert xrefs to hyperlinks... but if you have functional xrefs for other purposes, you might not want to do that. So much depends on what you've already done in the rest of the book...and whether it would impact the rest of the library... Rene Stephenson --- eric.dunn at ca.transport.bombardier.com wrote: > "Combs, Richard" wrote on 06/09/2006 > 01:09:11 > PM: > > I deliver primarily PDFs, and I wouldn't use xrefs in this way because > > they'd become working hyperlinks in the PDFs. Ugh! > > Not a problem. You just change all those Xrefs into text and all is > good. > > The Xref formats used for the purpose of terminology are used ONLY for > terminology... > > Eric L. Dunn > Senior Technical Writer > > ___ > > > This e-mail communication (and any attachment/s) may contain > confidential > or privileged information and is intended only for the individual(s) or > entity named above and to others who have been specifically authorized > to > receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, > copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. > Please > notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by reply > e-mail, and delete the e-mail subsequently. Please note that in order to > > protect the security of our information systems an AntiSPAM solution is > in > use and will browse through incoming emails. > Thank you. > _ > > > > Ce message (ainsi que le(s) fichier/s), transmis par courriel, peut > contenir des renseignements confidentiels ou prot???g???s et est destin??? ??? > l?usage exclusif du destinataire ci-dessus. Toute autre personne est par > > les pr???sentes avis???e qu?il est strictement interdit de le diffuser, le > distribuer ou le reproduire. Si vous l?avez re???u par inadvertance, > veuillez nous en aviser et d???truire ce message. Veuillez prendre note > qu'une solution antipollupostage (AntiSPAM) est utilis???e afin d'assurer > la > s???curit??? de nos systems d'information et qu'elle fur???tera les courriels > entrant. > Merci. > _ > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinnie1 at yahoo.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > Rene L. Stephenson eNovative Solutions, Inc. Business Phone: 678-513-0051 Email: rinnie1 at yahoo.com
Hiding Pages?
I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't want shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and formating intact? Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. Thanks, Brady ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Schoen, Brady wrote: I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't want shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and formating intact? Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. Thanks, Brady Brady, Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the info you need to do exactly what you want. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States. Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, graphics) that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that contain the content. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:37 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: 'framers@frameusers.com' Subject: Re: Hiding Pages? Schoen, Brady wrote: I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't want shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and formating intact? Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. Thanks, Brady Brady, Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the info you need to do exactly what you want. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States. Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, graphics) that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that contain the content. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access. (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Schoen, Brady wrote: Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but you're using custom master pages? In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You can do this very quickly using File Save Book As. All four books would be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4 brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., Parts List, not Acme Parts List.) You originally said: decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them all. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. I never found a way around that problem and was reluctant to maintain different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact. Lauren Anthone, Senior Information Developer Lead, Information Development Department Gene Logic, Inc. 50 West Watkins Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Ph: 240.364.7611 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corporate Headquarters 610 Professional Drive Gaithersburg, MD 20879 Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/08/2006 04:08 PM To Schoen, Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc framers@frameusers.com Subject RE: Hiding Pages? Schoen, Brady wrote: Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but you're using custom master pages? In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You can do this very quickly using File Save Book As. All four books would be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4 brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., Parts List, not Acme Parts List.) You originally said: decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them all. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lanthone%40genelogic.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
But the ability to use the same component files in multiple different book files is one of the foundations of the FrameMaker book paradigm. There are some very good reasons for using structured FrameMaker, but it's really overkill if all you need to do is build several variant books that only have a few components that differ between the various books. That's the kind of situation FrameMaker books were designed to handle. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:31 PM To: Combs, Richard Cc: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. I never found a way around that problem and was reluctant to maintain different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact. Lauren Anthone, Senior Information Developer Lead, Information Development Department Gene Logic, Inc. 50 West Watkins Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Ph: 240.364.7611 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corporate Headquarters 610 Professional Drive Gaithersburg, MD 20879 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hiding Pages?
Why not maintain, as you say four books? Are the master pages different? Do they show the different brands (logoes or different text)? If that is the case, then I would suggest four book files with four sets of files which would be referencing by text inset the fifth (and main) set of files or chunks. What is specific would then be added directly into the type specific file (chapter?, section?). I would also suggest with Fred Ridder to use variables. Structured FM might be a good option here too. In many cases you can use attributes insetad of variables in structured FM, just like with XML. A lot of parts manuals are maintained in SGML/XML and/or Structured FM. But then I haven't seen your files, have I? Good luck. Bodvar On 6/8/06, Schoen, Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? Thanks, Brady -Original Message- From: Anne Robotti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, graphics) that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that contain the content. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access. (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Hiding Pages?
I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a chapter in a book and then just "Hide" the decal pages that I don't want shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and formating intact? Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. Thanks, Brady
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Schoen, Brady wrote: > I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of > equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only > difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 > pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book > file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update > everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it > possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a > chapter in a book and then just "Hide" the decal pages that I don't want > shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and > formating intact? > > Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. > > Thanks, > Brady Brady, Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the info you need to do exactly what you want. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 "The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States." Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
Hiding Pages?
Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, graphics) that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that contain the content. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:37 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: 'framers at frameusers.com' Subject: Re: Hiding Pages? Schoen, Brady wrote: > I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of > equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only > difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 > pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book > file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update > everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it > possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a > chapter in a book and then just "Hide" the decal pages that I don't want > shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and > formating intact? > > Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. > > Thanks, > Brady Brady, Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the info you need to do exactly what you want. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 "The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States." Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as fred.ridder at intel.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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> Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, > graphics) > that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages > that contain the content. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access." (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you.
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In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much* more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change command). My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robotti Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:48 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? > Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, > graphics) > that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages > that contain the content. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access." (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as fred.ridder at intel.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? Thanks, Brady -Original Message- From: Anne Robotti [mailto:arobo...@journalregister.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? > Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, > graphics) > that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages > that contain the content. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access." (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you.
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I haven't followed this from the beginning, so be easy on me. How many pages are you talking about? If it isn't 500 pages (doable but nasty), you could make a unique file for each page, create a book file for each brand, and only call the pages you want for each brand. BrandA Page 1 Page 5 Page 7 BrandB Page 2 Page 3 Page 4 Page 6 In those instances where both brands use the same page, call that page, or those pages, in both (all?) books. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co m] On Behalf Of Schoen, Brady Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:39 PM To: 'Anne Robotti' Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? Thanks, Brady -Original Message- From: Anne Robotti [mailto:arobo...@journalregister.com] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: framers at frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? > Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, > graphics) > that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages > that contain the content. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access." (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs
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Schoen, Brady wrote: > Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? > > What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts > Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is > specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the > entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages > (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 > brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted > everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown > for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I > hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a > blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now > hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show > the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but you're using custom master pages? In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You can do this very quickly using File > Save Book As. All four books would be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4 brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., "Parts List," not "Acme Parts List.") You originally said: > decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book > file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to > update everytime a change is made), and just change out the But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them all. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
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I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. I never found a way around that problem and was reluctant to maintain different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact. Lauren Anthone, Senior Information Developer Lead, Information Development Department Gene Logic, Inc. 50 West Watkins Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Ph: 240.364.7611 E-mail: lanthone at genelogic.com Corporate Headquarters 610 Professional Drive Gaithersburg, MD 20879 "Combs, Richard" Sent by: framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com 06/08/2006 04:08 PM To "Schoen, Brady" cc framers at frameusers.com Subject RE: Hiding Pages? Schoen, Brady wrote: > Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? > > What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts > Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is > specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the > entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages > (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 > brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted > everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown > for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I > hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a > blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now > hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show > the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but you're using custom master pages? In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You can do this very quickly using File > Save Book As. All four books would be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4 brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., "Parts List," not "Acme Parts List.") You originally said: > decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book > file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to > update everytime a change is made), and just change out the But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them all. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lanthone at genelogic.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lanthone%40genelogic.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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But the ability to use the same component files in multiple different book files is one of the foundations of the FrameMaker book paradigm. There are some very good reasons for using structured FrameMaker, but it's really overkill if all you need to do is build several variant books that only have a few components that differ between the various books. That's the kind of situation FrameMaker books were designed to handle. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of LAnthone at genelogic.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:31 PM To: Combs, Richard Cc: framers at frameusers.com; framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. I never found a way around that problem and was reluctant to maintain different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact. Lauren Anthone, Senior Information Developer Lead, Information Development Department Gene Logic, Inc. 50 West Watkins Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Ph: 240.364.7611 E-mail: lanthone at genelogic.com Corporate Headquarters 610 Professional Drive Gaithersburg, MD 20879
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When I had that problem I just created two book files. After I make one book file, I do the following: 1. Highlight everything in the other book 2. Hit Cntrl F5 and set my conditions 3. Update my book. That's it, simple, no problem maintaining two books. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of LAnthone at genelogic.com Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:31 PM To: Combs, Richard Cc: framers at frameusers.com; framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. I never found a way around that problem and was reluctant to maintain different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact. Lauren Anthone, Senior Information Developer Lead, Information Development Department Gene Logic, Inc. 50 West Watkins Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Ph: 240.364.7611 E-mail: lanthone at genelogic.com Corporate Headquarters 610 Professional Drive Gaithersburg, MD 20879 "Combs, Richard" Sent by: framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com 06/08/2006 04:08 PM To "Schoen, Brady" cc framers at frameusers.com Subject RE: Hiding Pages? Schoen, Brady wrote: > Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? > > What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts > Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is > specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the > entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages > (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 > brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted > everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown > for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I > hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a > blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now > hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show > the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but you're using custom master pages? In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You can do this very quickly using File > Save Book As. All four books would be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4 brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., "Parts List," not "Acme Parts List.") You originally said: > decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book > file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to > update everytime a change is made), and just change out the But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them all. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lanthone at genelogic.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lanthone%40genelogic .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Why not maintain, as you say four books? Are the master pages different? Do they show the different brands (logoes or different text)? If that is the case, then I would suggest four book files with four sets of files which would be referencing by text inset the fifth (and main) set of files or chunks. What is specific would then be added directly into the type specific file (chapter?, section?). I would also suggest with Fred Ridder to use variables. Structured FM might be a good option here too. In many cases you can use attributes insetad of variables in structured FM, just like with XML. A lot of parts manuals are maintained in SGML/XML and/or Structured FM. But then I haven't seen your files, have I? Good luck. Bodvar On 6/8/06, Schoen, Brady wrote: > Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? > > What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts Listing" on the > right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a > word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages > (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 > brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages > and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What > happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a > blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I > delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items > again. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Brady > > -Original Message- > From: Anne Robotti [mailto:arobotti at journalregister.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM > To: Schoen, Brady > Cc: framers at frameusers.com > Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? > > > > Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, > > graphics) > > that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages > > that contain the content. > > > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ > > Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire > book for a specific product. > > I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING > changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, > I imagine, but I digress.) > > So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for > Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, > ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA > for Ethernet Access." > > (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context > than a page.) > > Anne > > > > The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains > confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended > recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the > contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank > you. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
