RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[gr...@hedgewizard.net]

This is old-school, but If your line spacing is standard, one option would
be to place a new flow on the master page(s) just wide enough for the largest
line number.
On the body page(s), you would insert into that flow a series of autonumbered
paragraphs with no other content. (They should have a different flow ID than any
other series of numbered paras in the document.)

If you needed to adjust for spacing around heads, you could create a set of
head number paras that would use the same flow ID, but are tweaked to match
the head spacing.  The only problem with this is that applying the para tags
would be a manual process.  You'd have to do a similar thing for figures.

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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Roman Banks]

Hi,
 
This is how it also works in the previous versions of FM (even if you add the 
line numbering programmatically). BTW, this is true for diagrams as well. It 
seems tha when the line numbering is added, Framemaker only sees the line 
where the anchor is located and ignores the rest until the next paragraph 
style. The feature itself is nice, but the implementation is...not brilliant.
 
My best wishes,
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To: tm...@spot-on-creative.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

On 25 Feb 2013 at 3:43, Tori Muir wrote:

 Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
 numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
 contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
 tables.

Tori, as far i know: tables are handled in a 'separate space' - and hence 'self 
contained'. If at all, 
then (my guess) it would only be possible to create a separate sequence.
The same is true for a text frame within an anchored frame.

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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Klaus Daube]

On 25 Feb 2013 at 3:43, Tori Muir wrote:

> Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
> numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
> contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
> tables.

Tori, as far i know: tables are handled in a 'separate space' - and hence 'self 
contained'. If at all, 
then (my guess) it would only be possible to create a separate sequence.
The same is true for a text frame within an anchored frame.

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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Roman Banks]

Hi,
?
This is how it also works in the previous versions of FM (even if you add the 
line numbering programmatically). BTW, this is?true for diagrams as well. 
It?seems tha when the line numbering?is added, Framemaker?only "sees" the line 
where the anchor?is located and ignores the rest until the next paragraph 
style.?The feature itself is nice, but the implementation is..."not brilliant".
?
My best wishes,
Roman

From: Klaus Daube <fr...@daube.ch>
To: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

On 25 Feb 2013 at 3:43, Tori Muir wrote:

> Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
> numbering.? However,? we're working on a set of engineering specs that
> contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
> tables.

Tori, as far i know: tables are handled in a 'separate space' - and hence 'self 
contained'. If at all, 
then (my guess) it would only be possible to create a separate sequence.
The same is true for a text frame within an anchored frame.

Klaus Daube
~~
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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[gr...@hedgewizard.net]

This is old-school, but If your line spacing is standard, one option would
be to place a new flow on the master page(s) just wide enough for the largest
line number.
On the body page(s), you would insert into that flow a series of autonumbered
paragraphs with no other content. (They should have a different flow ID than any
other series of numbered paras in the document.)

If you needed to adjust for spacing around heads, you could create a set of
"head number" paras that would use the same flow ID, but are tweaked to match
the head spacing.  The only problem with this is that applying the para tags
would be a manual process.  You'd have to do a similar thing for figures.

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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
tables.


Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
numbers.


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RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Dave.Stamm]

2013-02-25-01T19:55Z

 

Tori -

 

I've not had to work with line numbering, so I wonder whether numbering
the rows of the tables will suffice.

 

The numbering in each table could start with 1, and when combined with
each table's number (I assume that the tables are numbered), this scheme
will provide unique identification for each row.  For example, Table
14-3, row 98.

 

If your customer can't work with such a solution because it's different
from how Word does it, then you _do_ have a challenge.

 

Regards,

Dave Stamm

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir
Sent: 2013-02-25-Monday 14:10
To: Craig Ede
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

 

It turns out there's an additional wrinkle to this: client now wants
line numbers to be contiguous through the entire, 470+ page document.
Because Word does it this way.  

So I'm not sure Frame is going to give the client what they want for
this job, and I'm definitely sure that autonumbered paras within the
tables would not satisfy client.

Bugger.



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On 2/25/13 10:58 AM, Craig Ede wrote: 

Is adding an incrementing autonumber to the para format of the leftmost
table cell out of the question?

Craig

 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:43:47 -0800
 From: tm...@spot-on-creative.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Line numbering tables in FM11?
 
 Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
 numbering. However, we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
 contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
 tables.
 
 Is this just the way it works? Or am I missing some setting that would

 add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer
issue 
 for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back
to 
 our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
 pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the
same 
 numbers.
 
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 tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

  
  
On 2/25/13 11:54 AM, dave.st...@gdc4s.com wrote:
If your customer cant work with such a solution because
its different from how Word does it, then you _do_ have a
challenge.
That there is the heart of the problem! 

However, all is not lost: Rick Quatro kindly called and offered to
look into a scripted solution, and Penelope sent instrux on how to
fake it using a narrow text column in the margin set to autonumber.
She also pointed out that Worm doesn't number lines in tables
either, so I feel a bit better about the $400. 

Thank goodness for this list, it's a lifesaver. Or a job-saver, at
any rate. 
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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would 
number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?


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On 2/25/13 1:03 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:

Hi Tori,

After sending my note, and before deleting the test file, I also placed the 
CellNumbered paragraph tag in place of body text paragraphs between tables.  
The numbering and renumbering were consistent inside and outside the tables.

This might be applied to Headings and other paragraph types.  I see no problem 
with applying the Autonumber Format to other paragraph tags, including all 
paragraph tags within your documents.

This was just a wild suggestion that I meant to stimulate ideas.  It works in 
FrameMaker-9.

Ed DeRosier

-Original Message-
From: Tori Muir [mailto:tm...@spot-on-creative.com]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:55 PM
To: De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered
contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would
not be acceptable.

Tori Muir
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www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:

Hi Tori,

You said:

   Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
   numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
   contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
   tables.

   Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
   add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
   for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
   our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
   pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
   numbers.

Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are using 
those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.

The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:

C:n=1.\t
and
C:n+.\t

I tested these just now with three successive tables.  I added CellNumbered1 to 
the top cell of a column and then added
CellNumbered to several cells below in the same column and in multiple columns 
within a table.

I continued the CellNumbered tag in the following table.

In the third table, I returned to the use of CellNumbered1 to the top cell of a 
column and CellNumbered to several cells below.

The numbering of the paragraphs was as expected whether the additional 
paragraphs were within a cell or in separate cells.  The numbering continued 
across tables and was restarted as expected.

If your requirements are different, perhaps you could give more details of your 
needs.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company
Morgan Hill, California




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RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Combs, Richard]

Tori Muir wrote:
 
 Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
 number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines. 

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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

coughit's a 470-page, multi-chapter book, with a ton of generated 
files, numbered headers 8 levels deep, and ~320 tables. I don't think so.


A sample chapter generated using Rick Quatro's scripted solution 
(generate line numbers via a FrameScript before PDF-ing) has been 
reviewed by the client and judged as better than Word, because the 
table text is now numbered, too. While Rick's solution does require 
adding an extra step to our pre-PDF routine, the whole book can be done 
in a few hours of implementation time, plus a quick run of the script.  
Thanks to all who have been contributing ideas, it's been great seeing 
so many of Frame's capabilities I didn't know about!


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On 2/25/13 2:11 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:

Correct, Richard.
Tori, perhaps you could make the entire file a large table with one-line rows.  
The left column could be just large enough to hold numbers, and the right 
column could span the remaining text frame width.  You would need to restart 
each line in a new row.

Or you could use my previous idea and end each line (regardless of paragraph 
tag) with a return (no wrapping allowed).

Or perhaps create a side head with a 1-column table for the line numbering.

These are all clumsy solutions.  Sorry, I've never been required to number each 
line.

Ed DeRosier

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:20 PM
To: tm...@spot-on-creative.com; De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Tori Muir wrote:


Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines.

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RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Craig Ede]

Is adding an incrementing autonumber to the para format of the leftmost table 
cell out of the question?

Craig

 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:43:47 -0800
 From: tm...@spot-on-creative.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Line numbering tables in FM11?
 
 Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
 numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
 contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
 tables.
 
 Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
 add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
 for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
 our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
 pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
 numbers.
 
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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Robert Lauriston]

What's the limitation of autonumbers that would make it impractical?
I've done line numbers in code listings that way.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com wrote:
 It turns out there's an additional wrinkle to this: client now wants line
 numbers to be contiguous through the entire, 470+ page document. Because
 Word does it this way.

 So I'm not sure Frame is going to give the client what they want for this
 job, and I'm definitely sure that autonumbered paras within the tables would
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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[De Rosier, Edward]

Hi Tori,

You said:
  Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
  numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
  contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
  tables.
  
  Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
  add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
  for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
  our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
  pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
  numbers.

Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are using 
those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.  
We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.

The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:

C:n=1.\t
and
C:n+.\t

I tested these just now with three successive tables.  I added CellNumbered1 to 
the top cell of a column and then added 
CellNumbered to several cells below in the same column and in multiple columns 
within a table.

I continued the CellNumbered tag in the following table.

In the third table, I returned to the use of CellNumbered1 to the top cell of a 
column and CellNumbered to several cells below.

The numbering of the paragraphs was as expected whether the additional 
paragraphs were within a cell or in separate cells.  The numbering continued 
across tables and was restarted as expected.

If your requirements are different, perhaps you could give more details of your 
needs.

Ed DeRosier
Senior Technical Writer
Anritsu Company
Morgan Hill, California


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RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[De Rosier, Edward]

Hi Tori,

After sending my note, and before deleting the test file, I also placed the 
CellNumbered paragraph tag in place of body text paragraphs between tables.  
The numbering and renumbering were consistent inside and outside the tables.

This might be applied to Headings and other paragraph types.  I see no problem 
with applying the Autonumber Format to other paragraph tags, including all 
paragraph tags within your documents.

This was just a wild suggestion that I meant to stimulate ideas.  It works in 
FrameMaker-9.

Ed DeRosier

-Original Message-
From: Tori Muir [mailto:tm...@spot-on-creative.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:55 PM
To: De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered 
contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would 
not be acceptable.

Tori Muir
tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
 Hi Tori,

 You said:
   Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
   numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
   contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
   tables.

   Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
   add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
   for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
   our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
   pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
   numbers.
 Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are 
 using those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
 CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
 We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.

 The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:

 C:n=1.\t
 and
 C:n+.\t

 I tested these just now with three successive tables.  I added CellNumbered1 
 to the top cell of a column and then added
 CellNumbered to several cells below in the same column and in multiple 
 columns within a table.

 I continued the CellNumbered tag in the following table.

 In the third table, I returned to the use of CellNumbered1 to the top cell of 
 a column and CellNumbered to several cells below.

 The numbering of the paragraphs was as expected whether the additional 
 paragraphs were within a cell or in separate cells.  The numbering continued 
 across tables and was restarted as expected.

 If your requirements are different, perhaps you could give more details of 
 your needs.

 Ed DeRosier
 Senior Technical Writer
 Anritsu Company
 Morgan Hill, California



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Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Robert Lauriston]

If the line height is consistent, you could put numbers in a separate
frame with a separate text flow.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com wrote:
 Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
 number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?
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RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

[De Rosier, Edward]

Correct, Richard.
Tori, perhaps you could make the entire file a large table with one-line rows.  
The left column could be just large enough to hold numbers, and the right 
column could span the remaining text frame width.  You would need to restart 
each line in a new row.

Or you could use my previous idea and end each line (regardless of paragraph 
tag) with a return (no wrapping allowed).

Or perhaps create a side head with a 1-column table for the line numbering.

These are all clumsy solutions.  Sorry, I've never been required to number each 
line.

Ed DeRosier

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:20 PM
To: tm...@spot-on-creative.com; De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Tori Muir wrote:
 
 Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
 number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
tables.

Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
numbers.

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www.spot-on-creative.com

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[Tori Muir]

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2013-02-25-01T19:55Z



Tori -



I've not had to work with line numbering, so I wonder whether numbering
the rows of the tables will suffice.



The numbering in each table could start with "1," and when combined with
each table's number (I assume that the tables are numbered), this scheme
will provide unique identification for each row.  For example, "Table
14-3, row 98."



If your customer can't work with such a solution because "it's different
from how Word does it," then you _do_ have a challenge.



Regards,

Dave Stamm



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tori Muir
Sent: 2013-02-25-Monday 14:10
To: Craig Ede
Cc: framers
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?



It turns out there's an additional wrinkle to this: client now wants
line numbers to be contiguous through the entire, 470+ page document.
Because Word does it this way.  

So I'm not sure Frame is going to give the client what they want for
this job, and I'm definitely sure that autonumbered paras within the
tables would not satisfy client.

Bugger.



Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 10:58 AM, Craig Ede wrote: 

Is adding an incrementing autonumber to the para format of the leftmost
table cell out of the question?

Craig

> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:43:47 -0800
> From: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Line numbering tables in FM11?
> 
> Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
> numbering. However, we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
> contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
> tables.
> 
> Is this just the way it works? Or am I missing some setting that would

> add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer
issue 
> for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back
to 
> our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
> pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the
same 
> numbers.
> 
> -- 
> Tori Muir
> tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
> www.spot-on-creative.com
> 
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[Tori Muir]

Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered 
contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would 
not be acceptable.

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
> Hi Tori,
>
> You said:
>>   Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
>>   numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
>>   contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
>>   tables.
>>
>>   Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
>>   add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
>>   for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
>>   our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
>>   pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
>>   numbers.
> Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are 
> using those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
> CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
> We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.
>
> The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:
>
> 

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would 
number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 1:03 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
> Hi Tori,
>
> After sending my note, and before deleting the test file, I also placed the 
> CellNumbered paragraph tag in place of body text paragraphs between tables.  
> The numbering and renumbering were consistent inside and outside the tables.
>
> This might be applied to Headings and other paragraph types.  I see no 
> problem with applying the Autonumber Format to other paragraph tags, 
> including all paragraph tags within your documents.
>
> This was just a wild suggestion that I meant to stimulate ideas.  It works in 
> FrameMaker-9.
>
> Ed DeRosier
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tori Muir [mailto:tmuir at spot-on-creative.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:55 PM
> To: De Rosier, Edward
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?
>
> Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered
> contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would
> not be acceptable.
>
> Tori Muir
> tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
> www.spot-on-creative.com
>
>
> On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
>> Hi Tori,
>>
>> You said:
>>>Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
>>>numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
>>>contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
>>>tables.
>>>
>>>Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
>>>add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
>>>for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
>>>our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
>>>pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
>>>numbers.
>> Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are 
>> using those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we 
>> named CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
>> We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.
>>
>> The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:
>>
>> C:

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Combs, Richard]

Tori Muir wrote:

> Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
> number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Tori Muir]

<>it's a 470-page, multi-chapter book, with a ton of generated 
files, numbered headers 8 levels deep, and ~320 tables. I don't think so.

A sample chapter generated using Rick Quatro's scripted solution 
(generate line numbers via a FrameScript before PDF-ing) has been 
reviewed by the client and judged as "better than Word, because the 
table text is now numbered, too". While Rick's solution does require 
adding an extra step to our pre-PDF routine, the whole book can be done 
in a few hours of implementation time, plus a quick run of the script.  
Thanks to all who have been contributing ideas, it's been great seeing 
so many of Frame's capabilities I didn't know about!

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 2:11 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
> Correct, Richard.
> Tori, perhaps you could make the entire file a large table with one-line 
> rows.  The left column could be just large enough to hold numbers, and the 
> right column could span the remaining text frame width.  You would need to 
> restart each line in a new row.
>
> Or you could use my previous idea and end each line (regardless of paragraph 
> tag) with a return (no wrapping allowed).
>
> Or perhaps create a side head with a 1-column table for the line numbering.
>
> These are all clumsy solutions.  Sorry, I've never been required to number 
> each line.
>
> Ed DeRosier
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.combs at Polycom.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:20 PM
> To: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com; De Rosier, Edward
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?
>
> Tori Muir wrote:
>
>> Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
>> number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?
> It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines.
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Craig Ede]

Is adding an incrementing autonumber to the para format of the leftmost table 
cell out of the question?

Craig

> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:43:47 -0800
> From: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Line numbering tables in FM11?
> 
> Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
> numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
> contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
> tables.
> 
> Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
> add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
> for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
> our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
> pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
> numbers.
> 
> -- 
> Tori Muir
> tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
> www.spot-on-creative.com
> 
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Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Robert Lauriston]

What's the limitation of autonumbers that would make it impractical?
I've done line numbers in code listings that way.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Tori Muir  
wrote:
> It turns out there's an additional wrinkle to this: client now wants line
> numbers to be contiguous through the entire, 470+ page document. Because
> Word does it this way.
>
> So I'm not sure Frame is going to give the client what they want for this
> job, and I'm definitely sure that autonumbered paras within the tables would
> not satisfy client.

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[De Rosier, Edward]

Hi Tori,

You said:
>  Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line 
>  numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that 
>  contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the 
>  tables.
>  
>  Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would 
>  add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue 
>  for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to 
>  our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master 
>  pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same 
>  numbers.

Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are using 
those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.  
We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.

The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[De Rosier, Edward]

Hi Tori,

After sending my note, and before deleting the test file, I also placed the 
CellNumbered paragraph tag in place of body text paragraphs between tables.  
The numbering and renumbering were consistent inside and outside the tables.

This might be applied to Headings and other paragraph types.  I see no problem 
with applying the Autonumber Format to other paragraph tags, including all 
paragraph tags within your documents.

This was just a wild suggestion that I meant to stimulate ideas.  It works in 
FrameMaker-9.

Ed DeRosier

-Original Message-
From: Tori Muir [mailto:tm...@spot-on-creative.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:55 PM
To: De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Client wants *every* line across the whole book to be numbered 
contiguously. Having the cell numbers out of step with the others would 
not be acceptable.

Tori Muir
tmuir at spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674
www.spot-on-creative.com


On 2/25/13 12:09 PM, De Rosier, Edward wrote:
> Hi Tori,
>
> You said:
>>   Sooo... just popped $400 to upgrade to FM11, solely for the line
>>   numbering.  However,  we're working on a set of engineering specs that
>>   contains many huge tables, and Frame isn't numbering any lines in the
>>   tables.
>>
>>   Is this just the way it works?  Or am I missing some setting that would
>>   add line numbers corresponding to text in tables? This is a killer issue
>>   for this project, and it Frame can't do it we'll have to resort back to
>>   our previous method of putting hard-coded line numbers on the master
>>   pages -- which client doesn't like because then every page has the same
>>   numbers.
> Your description of line numbering in tables did not describe how you are 
> using those numbers.  My writing group uses a paragraph tag set that we named 
> CellNumbered1 and CellNumbered.
> We are on FrameMaker-9 with Windows-7.
>
> The critical part of building of the Autonumber Format is as follows:
>
> C:

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[Robert Lauriston]

If the line height is consistent, you could put numbers in a separate
frame with a separate text flow.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:14 PM, Tori Muir  
wrote:
> Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
> number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

Line numbering tables in FM11?

[De Rosier, Edward]

Correct, Richard.
Tori, perhaps you could make the entire file a large table with one-line rows.  
The left column could be just large enough to hold numbers, and the right 
column could span the remaining text frame width.  You would need to restart 
each line in a new row.

Or you could use my previous idea and end each line (regardless of paragraph 
tag) with a return (no wrapping allowed).

Or perhaps create a side head with a 1-column table for the line numbering.

These are all clumsy solutions.  Sorry, I've never been required to number each 
line.

Ed DeRosier

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:20 PM
To: tmuir at spot-on-creative.com; De Rosier, Edward
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Line numbering tables in FM11?

Tori Muir wrote:

> Ummm... If I have a paragraph that wraps to 8 lines, I get how it would
> number the top line, but how does it number the other 7?

It doesn't. Ed's proposal numbers paragraphs, not lines. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--