Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Thanks to all for insight! Thanks especially to Rick Quatro for walking me 
through it! I was so close and just needed that last bit of info.
Learn so much from this group!

Kristy

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From: John Hogan [mailto:hoga...@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:01 PM
To: Kristy Nolan; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

Kristy,

Two paragraphs on one line requires setting the Run-In Head paragraph
property on only the FIRST of the two paragraph types.

Good luck

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Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
is not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on
the reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?


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RE: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Thanks to all for insight! Thanks especially to Rick Quatro for walking me 
through it! I was so close and just needed that last bit of info.
Learn so much from this group!

Kristy

-Original Message-
From: John Hogan [mailto:hoga...@cox.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:01 PM
To: Kristy Nolan; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

Kristy,

Two paragraphs on one line requires setting the Run-In Head paragraph
property on only the FIRST of the two paragraph types.

Good luck

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
is not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on
the reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?


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[John Hogan]

Kristy,

Two paragraphs on one line requires setting the Run-In Head paragraph
property on only the FIRST of the two paragraph types.

Good luck

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Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
is not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on
the reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?


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[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Kristy,

There is a LEP Tool by SiliconPrairie
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ which I used a lot a few years back
with good results on both structured and unstructured FM books. This was
for FM 7, but I see that they have those available all the way up to FM10.
Fastest way is to go right to the Downloads page.

Brgds,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2012/1/29 Kristy Nolan 

> Hi, guys!
>
> I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective
> sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our
> documents, two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for
> these lists and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in
> structure, I am all for it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference
> books I have don't seem to address the two together.)
>
> I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...)
> and have the correct elements appearing.
>
> I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements
> for my chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its
> associated revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up
> as <$elemtextonly> in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was
> in unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph
> and still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current
> $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only
> way I have found to retain the right information is keeping all in separate
> paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader line to its
> revision date in one paragraph.
>
> Leads me to multiple questions:
> 1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
> paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
> is not a table, but that's all I remember.
> 2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph
> on the reference page?
> 3. Is there a better way to do this?
>
> I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently
> have set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually
> creating the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed
> something completely.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Kristy
>
>
> Kristy Nolan
> Manager, Flight Operations
> Central Publications HDQ-1CP
> Southwest Airlines
> 2702 Love Field Dr.
> Dallas, TX 75235
> 214-792-6142
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Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[John Hogan]

Kristy,

Two paragraphs on one line requires setting the Run-In Head paragraph
property on only the FIRST of the two paragraph types.

Good luck

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kristy Nolan

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
is not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on
the reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

Re: Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Hi Kristy,

There is a LEP Tool by SiliconPrairie
http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/ which I used a lot a few years back
with good results on both structured and unstructured FM books. This was
for FM 7, but I see that they have those available all the way up to FM10.
Fastest way is to go right to the Downloads page.

Brgds,
Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


2012/1/29 Kristy Nolan 

> Hi, guys!
>
> I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective
> sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our
> documents, two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for
> these lists and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in
> structure, I am all for it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference
> books I have don't seem to address the two together.)
>
> I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...)
> and have the correct elements appearing.
>
> I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements
> for my chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its
> associated revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up
> as <$elemtextonly> in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was
> in unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph
> and still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current
> $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only
> way I have found to retain the right information is keeping all in separate
> paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader line to its
> revision date in one paragraph.
>
> Leads me to multiple questions:
> 1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two
> paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It
> is not a table, but that's all I remember.
> 2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph
> on the reference page?
> 3. Is there a better way to do this?
>
> I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently
> have set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually
> creating the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed
> something completely.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Kristy
>
>
> Kristy Nolan
> Manager, Flight Operations
> Central Publications HDQ-1CP
> Southwest Airlines
> 2702 Love Field Dr.
> Dallas, TX 75235
> 214-792-6142
>
>
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[Writer]

Kristy, by structured, do you mean DITA? If so (and assuming your goal 
is to make a book PDF or something similar), save your ditamap as a 
FrameMaker book with FrameMaker components, and then add your front 
matter, TOC, formatting, etc. Don't try to do your formatting or fancy 
work in the DITA files themselves.

If you don't mean DITA, what do you mean by structured?

Nadine



On 29/01/2012 2:18 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:
> Hi, guys!
>
> I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
> sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
> two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
> and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
> it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem 
> to address the two together.)
>
> I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
> have the correct elements appearing.
>
> I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for 
> my chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its 
> associated revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up 
> as<$elemtextonly>  in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
> unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
> still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current 
> $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only 
> way I have found to retain the right information is keeping all in separate 
> paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader line to its 
> revision date in one paragraph.
>
> Leads me to multiple questions:
> 1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
> paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It 
> is not a table, but that's all I remember.
> 2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on 
> the reference page?
> 3. Is there a better way to do this?
>
> I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
> set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
> the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something 
> completely.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Kristy
>
>
> Kristy Nolan
> Manager, Flight Operations
> Central Publications HDQ-1CP
> Southwest Airlines
> 2702 Love Field Dr.
> Dallas, TX 75235
> 214-792-6142
>
>
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Lists of Effective Pages and Sections

[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated 
revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as 
<$elemtextonly> in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, 
it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only way I have found to 
retain the right information is keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am 
looking to have a title with a leader line to its revision date in one 
paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
Kristy


Kristy Nolan
Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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[Writer]

Kristy, by structured, do you mean DITA? If so (and assuming your goal 
is to make a book PDF or something similar), save your ditamap as a 
FrameMaker book with FrameMaker components, and then add your front 
matter, TOC, formatting, etc. Don't try to do your formatting or fancy 
work in the DITA files themselves.


If you don't mean DITA, what do you mean by structured?

Nadine



On 29/01/2012 2:18 PM, Kristy Nolan wrote:

Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated revision 
date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as<$elemtextonly>  in 
its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in unstructured Frame, I could 
move these elements to a different paragraph and still retain the piece I was looking 
for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, it defaults to the new paragraph 
(understandable). The only way I have found to retain the right information is 
keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am looking to have a title with a leader 
line to its revision date in one paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
Kristy


Kristy Nolan
Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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[Kristy Nolan]

Hi, guys!

I am stumped. On Structured Frame 10, trying to create lists of effective 
sections and pages. These are requirements as front matter for our documents, 
two separate lists. The entire document is structured except for these lists 
and the TOCs. (If there is a way to generate these in structure, I am all for 
it, but not sure how to do that. Even the reference books I have don't seem to 
address the two together.)

I get the general idea of how to generate the lists (Special/List of...) and 
have the correct elements appearing.

I've started with the list of effective sections, where I have elements for my 
chapter title, section title, and subsection title, each with its associated 
revision date. On the reference page all of them are showing up as 
<$elemtextonly> in its paragraph [e.g., RevisionDate()LOP]. When I was in 
unstructured Frame, I could move these elements to a different paragraph and 
still retain the piece I was looking for. If I move the current $elemtextonly, 
it defaults to the new paragraph (understandable). The only way I have found to 
retain the right information is keeping all in separate paragraphs, but I am 
looking to have a title with a leader line to its revision date in one 
paragraph.

Leads me to multiple questions:
1. At one point years ago I stumbled on a way to essentially have two 
paragraphs on one line (in appearance only). Anyone know how to do that? It is 
not a table, but that's all I remember.
2. Is there a way to get the proper elements to show up in one paragraph on the 
reference page?
3. Is there a better way to do this?

I am happy to share a sample chapter (with its EDD) and what I currently have 
set up if someone has an idea. This is my first big project actually creating 
the EDD from scratch, so it is entirely possible I missed something completely.

Thanks in advance!
Kristy


Kristy Nolan
Manager, Flight Operations
Central Publications HDQ-1CP
Southwest Airlines
2702 Love Field Dr.
Dallas, TX 75235
214-792-6142



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