Numbering question

[Stuart Rogers]

On 17/01/2012 1:27 PM, Corinne Kenney wrote:
>
>
> FM9, Windows Vista.
>
> Yes - probably having a brain lapse. Need to have a numbered heading
> title that is underlined, but don't want the number underlined:
>
> Need  2.0 Heading, with Heading underlined.  All I can get is
> everything underlined - number and heading - or nothing underlined.
>
> How do I get the desired result?
>
> TIA.
>

Create a character tag, as-is except no underline. In your heading2 pgf
tag, set the font to underlined, but in the autonumber, apply the new
no-underline Character Format.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

Re: Numbering question

[Corinne Kenney]

Thank you. I knew a character format would be the key. You nailed it, Stuart. 
Thanks again. I love this list.

Corinne Kenney
Raytheon
Aurora, CO



- Original Message -
From: Stuart Rogers 
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Numbering question

On 17/01/2012 1:27 PM, Corinne Kenney wrote:
>
>
> FM9, Windows Vista.
>
> Yes - probably having a brain lapse. Need to have a numbered heading
> title that is underlined, but don't want the number underlined:
>
> Need  2.0 Heading, with Heading underlined.  All I can get is
> everything underlined - number and heading - or nothing underlined.
>
> How do I get the desired result?
>
> TIA.
>

Create a character tag, as-is except no underline. In your heading2 pgf
tag, set the font to underlined, but in the autonumber, apply the new
no-underline Character Format.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Numbering question

[Corinne Kenney]

Thank you. I knew a character format would be the key. You nailed it, Stuart. 
Thanks again. I love this list.

Corinne Kenney
Raytheon
Aurora, CO



- Original Message -
From: Stuart Rogers 
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: Numbering question

On 17/01/2012 1:27 PM, Corinne Kenney wrote:
>
>
> FM9, Windows Vista.
>
> Yes - probably having a brain lapse. Need to have a numbered heading
> title that is underlined, but don't want the number underlined:
>
> Need? 2.0 Heading, with Heading underlined.? All I can get is
> everything underlined - number and heading - or nothing underlined.
>
> How do I get the desired result?
>
> TIA.
>

Create a character tag, as-is except no underline. In your heading2 pgf
tag, set the font to underlined, but in the autonumber, apply the new
no-underline Character Format.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada? M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Re: Numbering question

[Stuart Rogers]

On 17/01/2012 1:27 PM, Corinne Kenney wrote:



FM9, Windows Vista.

Yes - probably having a brain lapse. Need to have a numbered heading
title that is underlined, but don't want the number underlined:

Need  2.0 Heading, with Heading underlined.  All I can get is
everything underlined - number and heading - or nothing underlined.

How do I get the desired result?

TIA.



Create a character tag, as-is except no underline. In your heading2 pgf
tag, set the font to underlined, but in the autonumber, apply the new
no-underline Character Format.

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Numbering question

[Corinne Kenney]

FM9, Windows Vista. 

Yes - probably having a brain lapse. Need to have a numbered heading title that 
is underlined, but don't want the number underlined:

Need  2.0 Heading, with Heading underlined.  All I can get is everything 
underlined - number and heading - or nothing underlined.

How do I get the desired result?

TIA.

Corinne Kenney
Raytheon
Aurora CO

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Numbering question

[Corinne Kenney]

FM9, Windows Vista.?

Yes - probably having a brain lapse. Need to have a numbered heading title that 
is underlined, but don't want the number underlined:

Need? 2.0 Heading, with Heading underlined.? All I can get is everything 
underlined - number and heading - or nothing underlined.

How do I get the desired result?

TIA.

Corinne Kenney
Raytheon
Aurora CO

Re: A simple numbering question

[Roger Shuttleworth]

Hi Andy

With respect, I don't think the "two problems" that you listed are problems at 
all if you use consistent chapter/section/topic structure. Predictable 
structure is a Good Thing anyway, and even without using structured Frame it it 
a good idea to have well-defined structures for different types of content - 
and stick to them.

You also describe a complex numbering series as "hard enough to debug." 
Debugging is a snap if you draw a matrix of your numbered formats (as rows) and 
placeholders (as columns). Keep this available (I used to pin mine to the wall, 
but haven't needed it in years) and the cause of any numbering problem becomes 
immediately obvious.

And as Richard said, there is nothing to stop you using different series for, 
say, tables and graphics, and managing those at the document numbering level.

I would much prefer something like this than having to choose between Numbered 
and NumberedFirst when writing a list. No big deal, obviously, but one less 
thing to think about.

Regards,

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Documentation
AV-BASE Systems Inc.
1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200
London, Ontario
N5V 3S4
Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330
  _  

From: Andy Kass [mailto:ak...@jaspersoft.com]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:08:49 -0400
Subject: Re: A simple numbering question

Thanks for everyone's input, though it mostly confirms the two problems I 
listed.
  
  I already have 4 levels of headings and Table, Figure, and Code Listing 
numbering in one series, so I don't really want to add 2 more levels everywhere 
(and duplicate the work in the appendix numbering series--but for that I 
should've used $chapnum). It was hard enough to debug, and with this, I'd have 
to add the autonumber series to most of my paragraph tags, not just the 
numbered ones.
  
  And I am reluctant to require some sort of intro paragraph, because I often 
use the heading as an intro (but not always) so that it shows up in the TOC. So 
that will give me sections like this:
  
 4.3.2.1 Copying a File
  
 To copy a file:
  
 1. Select the file ...
  
  In my situation, it seems like numbered list (and step) numbering will always 
be a 2-format deal (Numbered and NumberedFirst).
  
  Regards,
  
Andy
  
  - "Jay Mahler"  wrote:
  
  > Andy,
  > 
  > To answer your question, yes, you need to reset your list numbering in
  > every paragraph type that could come between numbered lists. This
  > generally isn't a large set of tags for the document formats I use. I
  > often have a Numbered-cont paragraph tag that I use when numbered
  > items may end up being more than one paragraph. This paragraph style
  > indents and doesn't clear any of the auto-numbers. 
  > 
  > Regarding your example of a figure anchor paragraph, I generally try
  > to avoid this technique. I know many Framers use a special anchor
  > paragraph to keep figure numbers/captions with the anchored frame, but
  > I prefer to put the anchor at the end of the paragraph that first
  > references the figure. To keep the figure number with the anchored
  > frame, I'll put a text frame inside of the graphic anchored frame at
  > the bottom and house the figure caption inside the graphic's anchored
  > frame. 
  > 
  > Frankly, all of my clients lately have had predefined templates that
  > use the Numbered-1, Numbered, etc., and Anchor paragraph techniques,
  > so I haven't practiced what I'm preaching here in several years.
  > 
  > Regarding your second point, the last time I did this, I used a fairly
  > complex auto-numbering series. For example, assume that I have a
  > document that requires a chapter numbers, Heading 1 numbers, and
  > Heading 2 numbers, Numbered list, Lettered (sub) lists, Figure
  > numbers, and Table numbers, the auto-number formats would be something
  > like this:
  > 
  > Chapter: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
  > Heading 1: N:.< =0>< =0>< =0>
  > Heading  2: N:..< =0>< =0>
  > Body: N:< >< >< >< =0>< =0>
  > Numbered: N: < >< >< >< =0>
  > Lettered: N: < >< >< >< >
  > Figure: Figure -< >< >< >< > 
  > Table: Table -< >< >< >< >< >
  > 
  > This assumes that figure and table numbers have the -
  > format, and they reset to one for each new chapter. I don't remember
  > if I needed the empty < > for Figure and Table numbers on paragraph
  > tags that didn't reset or use those numbers.
  > 
  > I guess the bottom line is that this auto-numbering style is more
  > complex, but you only need to do it once. With the explicit set to one
 

A simple numbering question

[Roger Shuttleworth]

Hi Andy

With respect, I don't think the "two problems" that you listed are problems at 
all if you use consistent chapter/section/topic structure. Predictable 
structure is a Good Thing anyway, and even without using structured Frame it it 
a good idea to have well-defined structures for different types of content - 
and stick to them.

You also describe a complex numbering series as "hard enough to debug." 
Debugging is a snap if you draw a matrix of your numbered formats (as rows) and 
placeholders (as columns). Keep this available (I used to pin mine to the wall, 
but haven't needed it in years) and the cause of any numbering problem becomes 
immediately obvious.

And as Richard said, there is nothing to stop you using different series for, 
say, tables and graphics, and managing those at the document numbering level.

I would much prefer something like this than having to choose between Numbered 
and NumberedFirst when writing a list. No big deal, obviously, but one less 
thing to think about.

Regards,

Roger

Roger Shuttleworth
Technical Documentation
AV-BASE Systems Inc.
1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200
London, Ontario
N5V 3S4
Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 330
  _  

From: Andy Kass [mailto:ak...@jaspersoft.com]
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 14:08:49 -0400
Subject: Re: A simple numbering question

Thanks for everyone's input, though it mostly confirms the two problems I 
listed.

  I already have 4 levels of headings and Table, Figure, and Code Listing 
numbering in one series, so I don't really want to add 2 more levels everywhere 
(and duplicate the work in the appendix numbering series--but for that I 
should've used $chapnum). It was hard enough to debug, and with this, I'd have 
to add the autonumber series to most of my paragraph tags, not just the 
numbered ones.

  And I am reluctant to require some sort of intro paragraph, because I often 
use the heading as an intro (but not always) so that it shows up in the TOC. So 
that will give me sections like this:

 4.3.2.1 Copying a File

 To copy a file:

 1. Select the file ...

  In my situation, it seems like numbered list (and step) numbering will always 
be a 2-format deal (Numbered and NumberedFirst).

  Regards,

Andy

  - "Jay Mahler"  wrote:

  > Andy,
  > 
  > To answer your question, yes, you need to reset your list numbering in
  > every paragraph type that could come between numbered lists. This
  > generally isn't a large set of tags for the document formats I use. I
  > often have a Numbered-cont paragraph tag that I use when numbered
  > items may end up being more than one paragraph. This paragraph style
  > indents and doesn't clear any of the auto-numbers. 
  > 
  > Regarding your example of a figure anchor paragraph, I generally try
  > to avoid this technique. I know many Framers use a special anchor
  > paragraph to keep figure numbers/captions with the anchored frame, but
  > I prefer to put the anchor at the end of the paragraph that first
  > references the figure. To keep the figure number with the anchored
  > frame, I'll put a text frame inside of the graphic anchored frame at
  > the bottom and house the figure caption inside the graphic's anchored
  > frame. 
  > 
  > Frankly, all of my clients lately have had predefined templates that
  > use the Numbered-1, Numbered, etc., and Anchor paragraph techniques,
  > so I haven't practiced what I'm preaching here in several years.
  > 
  > Regarding your second point, the last time I did this, I used a fairly
  > complex auto-numbering series. For example, assume that I have a
  > document that requires a chapter numbers, Heading 1 numbers, and
  > Heading 2 numbers, Numbered list, Lettered (sub) lists, Figure
  > numbers, and Table numbers, the auto-number formats would be something
  > like this:
  > 
  > Chapter: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
  > Heading 1: N:.< =0>< =0>< =0>
  > Heading  2: N:..< =0>< =0>
  > Body: N:< >< >< >< =0>< =0>
  > Numbered: N: < >< >< >< =0>
  > Lettered: N: < >< >< >< >
  > Figure: Figure -< >< >< >< > 
  > Table: Table -< >< >< >< >< >
  > 
  > This assumes that figure and table numbers have the -
  > format, and they reset to one for each new chapter. I don't remember
  > if I needed the empty < > for Figure and Table numbers on paragraph
  > tags that didn't reset or use those numbers.
  > 
  > I guess the bottom line is that this auto-numbering style is more
  > complex, but you only need to do it once. With the explicit set to one
  > numbering, yo

Re: A simple numbering question

[Andy Kass]

Thanks for everyone's input, though it mostly confirms the two problems I 
listed.

I already have 4 levels of headings and Table, Figure, and Code Listing 
numbering in one series, so I don't really want to add 2 more levels everywhere 
(and duplicate the work in the appendix numbering series--but for that I 
should've used $chapnum). It was hard enough to debug, and with this, I'd have 
to add the autonumber series to most of my paragraph tags, not just the 
numbered ones.

And I am reluctant to require some sort of intro paragraph, because I often use 
the heading as an intro (but not always) so that it shows up in the TOC. So 
that will give me sections like this:

   4.3.2.1 Copying a File

   To copy a file:

   1. Select the file ...

In my situation, it seems like numbered list (and step) numbering will always 
be a 2-format deal (Numbered and NumberedFirst).

Regards,

  Andy

- "Jay Mahler"  wrote:

> Andy,
> 
> To answer your question, yes, you need to reset your list numbering in
> every paragraph type that could come between numbered lists. This
> generally isn't a large set of tags for the document formats I use. I
> often have a Numbered-cont paragraph tag that I use when numbered
> items may end up being more than one paragraph. This paragraph style
> indents and doesn't clear any of the auto-numbers. 
> 
> Regarding your example of a figure anchor paragraph, I generally try
> to avoid this technique. I know many Framers use a special anchor
> paragraph to keep figure numbers/captions with the anchored frame, but
> I prefer to put the anchor at the end of the paragraph that first
> references the figure. To keep the figure number with the anchored
> frame, I'll put a text frame inside of the graphic anchored frame at
> the bottom and house the figure caption inside the graphic's anchored
> frame. 
> 
> Frankly, all of my clients lately have had predefined templates that
> use the Numbered-1, Numbered, etc., and Anchor paragraph techniques,
> so I haven't practiced what I'm preaching here in several years.
> 
> Regarding your second point, the last time I did this, I used a fairly
> complex auto-numbering series. For example, assume that I have a
> document that requires a chapter numbers, Heading 1 numbers, and
> Heading 2 numbers, Numbered list, Lettered (sub) lists, Figure
> numbers, and Table numbers, the auto-number formats would be something
> like this:
> 
> Chapter: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
> Heading 1: N:.< =0>< =0>< =0>
> Heading  2: N:..< =0>< =0>
> Body: N:< >< >< >< =0>< =0>
> Numbered: N: < >< >< >< =0>
> Lettered: N: < >< >< >< >
> Figure: Figure -< >< >< >< > 
> Table: Table -< >< >< >< >< >
> 
> This assumes that figure and table numbers have the -
> format, and they reset to one for each new chapter. I don't remember
> if I needed the empty < > for Figure and Table numbers on paragraph
> tags that didn't reset or use those numbers.
> 
> I guess the bottom line is that this auto-numbering style is more
> complex, but you only need to do it once. With the explicit set to one
> numbering, you're always having to select one of two style for each
> type of numbering. You also need to revisit the paragraph style if you
> ever enter a new Numbered-1 above the old one.
> 
> Jay
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Kass [mailto:ak...@jaspersoft.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:25 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jay Mahler
> Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
> 
> Hi,
> 
> At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and
> NumberedAlphaFirst para tags in my own templates have been bothering
> me for quite a while.
> 
> But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or
> even possible. I see two problems:
> 
> 1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every
> paragraph type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones
> that are allowed inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two
> groups are mutually exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in
> my figure anchor paragraph) both as a separator (and nothing else)
> between procedures and as a illustration inside a procedure.
> 
> 2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have
> its own numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber
> series). So I cannot use headings alone between lists, unless I put
> all my autonumbering into a single series, but that would be even more
> 

A simple numbering question

[Andy Kass]

Thanks for everyone's input, though it mostly confirms the two problems I 
listed.

I already have 4 levels of headings and Table, Figure, and Code Listing 
numbering in one series, so I don't really want to add 2 more levels everywhere 
(and duplicate the work in the appendix numbering series--but for that I 
should've used $chapnum). It was hard enough to debug, and with this, I'd have 
to add the autonumber series to most of my paragraph tags, not just the 
numbered ones.

And I am reluctant to require some sort of intro paragraph, because I often use 
the heading as an intro (but not always) so that it shows up in the TOC. So 
that will give me sections like this:

   4.3.2.1 Copying a File

   To copy a file:

   1. Select the file ...

In my situation, it seems like numbered list (and step) numbering will always 
be a 2-format deal (Numbered and NumberedFirst).

Regards,

  Andy

- "Jay Mahler"  wrote:

> Andy,
> 
> To answer your question, yes, you need to reset your list numbering in
> every paragraph type that could come between numbered lists. This
> generally isn't a large set of tags for the document formats I use. I
> often have a Numbered-cont paragraph tag that I use when numbered
> items may end up being more than one paragraph. This paragraph style
> indents and doesn't clear any of the auto-numbers. 
> 
> Regarding your example of a figure anchor paragraph, I generally try
> to avoid this technique. I know many Framers use a special anchor
> paragraph to keep figure numbers/captions with the anchored frame, but
> I prefer to put the anchor at the end of the paragraph that first
> references the figure. To keep the figure number with the anchored
> frame, I'll put a text frame inside of the graphic anchored frame at
> the bottom and house the figure caption inside the graphic's anchored
> frame. 
> 
> Frankly, all of my clients lately have had predefined templates that
> use the Numbered-1, Numbered, etc., and Anchor paragraph techniques,
> so I haven't practiced what I'm preaching here in several years.
> 
> Regarding your second point, the last time I did this, I used a fairly
> complex auto-numbering series. For example, assume that I have a
> document that requires a chapter numbers, Heading 1 numbers, and
> Heading 2 numbers, Numbered list, Lettered (sub) lists, Figure
> numbers, and Table numbers, the auto-number formats would be something
> like this:
> 
> Chapter: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
> Heading 1: N:.< =0>< =0>< =0>
> Heading  2: N:..< =0>< =0>
> Body: N:< >< >< >< =0>< =0>
> Numbered: N: < >< >< >< =0>
> Lettered: N: < >< >< >< >
> Figure: Figure -< >< >< >< > 
> Table: Table -< >< >< >< >< >
> 
> This assumes that figure and table numbers have the -
> format, and they reset to one for each new chapter. I don't remember
> if I needed the empty < > for Figure and Table numbers on paragraph
> tags that didn't reset or use those numbers.
> 
> I guess the bottom line is that this auto-numbering style is more
> complex, but you only need to do it once. With the explicit set to one
> numbering, you're always having to select one of two style for each
> type of numbering. You also need to revisit the paragraph style if you
> ever enter a new Numbered-1 above the old one.
> 
> Jay
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Kass [mailto:akass at jaspersoft.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:25 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jay Mahler
> Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
> 
> Hi,
> 
> At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and
> NumberedAlphaFirst para tags in my own templates have been bothering
> me for quite a while.
> 
> But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or
> even possible. I see two problems:
> 
> 1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every
> paragraph type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones
> that are allowed inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two
> groups are mutually exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in
> my figure anchor paragraph) both as a separator (and nothing else)
> between procedures and as a illustration inside a procedure.
> 
> 2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have
> its own numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber
> series). So I cannot use headings alone between lists, unless I put
> all my autonumbering into a single series, but that would be even more
> 

RE: A simple numbering question

[Jay Mahler]

Andy,

To answer your question, yes, you need to reset your list numbering in every 
paragraph type that could come between numbered lists. This generally isn't a 
large set of tags for the document formats I use. I often have a Numbered-cont 
paragraph tag that I use when numbered items may end up being more than one 
paragraph. This paragraph style indents and doesn't clear any of the 
auto-numbers. 

Regarding your example of a figure anchor paragraph, I generally try to avoid 
this technique. I know many Framers use a special anchor paragraph to keep 
figure numbers/captions with the anchored frame, but I prefer to put the anchor 
at the end of the paragraph that first references the figure. To keep the 
figure number with the anchored frame, I'll put a text frame inside of the 
graphic anchored frame at the bottom and house the figure caption inside the 
graphic's anchored frame. 

Frankly, all of my clients lately have had predefined templates that use the 
Numbered-1, Numbered, etc., and Anchor paragraph techniques, so I haven't 
practiced what I'm preaching here in several years.

Regarding your second point, the last time I did this, I used a fairly complex 
auto-numbering series. For example, assume that I have a document that requires 
a chapter numbers, Heading 1 numbers, and Heading 2 numbers, Numbered list, 
Lettered (sub) lists, Figure numbers, and Table numbers, the auto-number 
formats would be something like this:

Chapter: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
Heading 1: N:.< =0>< =0>< =0>
Heading  2: N:..< =0>< =0>
Body: N:< >< >< >< =0>< =0>
Numbered: N: < >< >< >< =0>
Lettered: N: < >< >< >< >
Figure: Figure -< >< >< >< > 
Table: Table -< >< >< >< >< >

This assumes that figure and table numbers have the - format, 
and they reset to one for each new chapter. I don't remember if I needed the 
empty < > for Figure and Table numbers on paragraph tags that didn't reset or 
use those numbers.

I guess the bottom line is that this auto-numbering style is more complex, but 
you only need to do it once. With the explicit set to one numbering, you're 
always having to select one of two style for each type of numbering. You also 
need to revisit the paragraph style if you ever enter a new Numbered-1 above 
the old one.

Jay
-Original Message-
From: Andy Kass [mailto:ak...@jaspersoft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:25 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jay Mahler
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question

Hi,

At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and NumberedAlphaFirst 
para tags in my own templates have been bothering me for quite a while.

But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or even 
possible. I see two problems:

1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every paragraph 
type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones that are allowed 
inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two groups are mutually 
exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in my figure anchor paragraph) 
both as a separator (and nothing else) between procedures and as a illustration 
inside a procedure.

2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have its own 
numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber series). So I cannot 
use headings alone between lists, unless I put all my autonumbering into a 
single series, but that would be even more confusing.

I am wondering how you solved these problems. From what I see, you need to have 
usage rules such as "always put an intro paragraph or instruction lead-in" 
before a procedure (so that lists are separated and numbering is reset), or you 
need a more complicated numbering format on all your tags. And both of those 
seem more complex and error-prone than the NumberedFirst para tags.

Thanks,

  Andy

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:58:56 -0400
From: Jay Mahler 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
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I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or header 
tag is something I highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags often 
look something like this: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>

Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It just 
makes the document harder to maintain.

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A simple numbering question

[qui...@airmail.net]

Not really. Let's consider what might be eligible as a reset format.

Obviously the first paragraph, such as the Chapter title would reset 
everything to zero. Heading 1, yes. Heading 2, yes. Headings down to the 
nth level, yes.

If you are doing procedures, your steps won't bridge headings, neither 
will lists. So basically, you only have headings reset your numbering to 
zero.

If your numbering stream includes tables and graphic captions they won't 
necessarily reset. If they do, then you will have them reset for 
chapters only, or some other high level structure.

So to make a numbering stream that includes both steps, lists, tables 
and captions you would use a pattern much like that below.

The first three positions are for three levels of steps, the next three 
are for three levels of lists, then one position for tables, and one for 
captions.

Chapter Title
N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>

Heading 1 through x
N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >

Step1
N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >.
Step2
N:< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >.
Step3
N:< >< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >.

Table
N:Table < >< >< >< >< >< >< >.

And so on.

Scott T

On 4/5/11 3:25 PM, Andy Kass wrote:
> Hi,
>
> At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and 
> NumberedAlphaFirst para tags in my own templates have been bothering me for 
> quite a while.
>
> But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or even 
> possible. I see two problems:
>
> 1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every 
> paragraph type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones that 
> are allowed inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two groups are 
> mutually exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in my figure anchor 
> paragraph) both as a separator (and nothing else) between procedures and as a 
> illustration inside a procedure.
>
> 2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have its own 
> numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber series). So I 
> cannot use headings alone between lists, unless I put all my autonumbering 
> into a single series, but that would be even more confusing.
>
> I am wondering how you solved these problems. From what I see, you need to 
> have usage rules such as "always put an intro paragraph or instruction 
> lead-in" before a procedure (so that lists are separated and numbering is 
> reset), or you need a more complicated numbering format on all your tags. And 
> both of those seem more complex and error-prone than the NumberedFirst para 
> tags.
>
> Thanks,
>
>Andy
>
> --
> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:58:56 -0400
> From: Jay Mahler
> To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com"
> Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or 
> header tag is something I highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags 
> often look something like this: N:<  =0><  =0><  =0>
>
> Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
> There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
> bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It 
> just makes the document harder to maintain.
>
> Jay Mahler
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RE: A simple numbering question

[Combs, Richard]

qui...@airmail.net wrote:
 
> If you are doing procedures, your steps won't bridge headings, neither
> will lists. So basically, you only have headings reset your numbering
> to
> zero.

A lot depends on template design (and consistency of application). But if all 
your procedures begin with a standard introductory pgf (mine is called 
TaskIntroduction) -- something like "To zorkate the frammish:" -- it can reset 
the 1st-level numbering counter. And of course, the 1st-level numbering pgf can 
reset the 2nd-level counter, etc. 

My template uses the same pgf formats for procedures and numbered lists. Since 
those pgfs have hanging indents, a regular Body pgf should never appear within 
a procedure or list (there are indented versions for that purpose). So my Body 
pgf and all headings reset the 1st-level numbering counter.
 
> If your numbering stream includes tables and graphic captions they
> won't
> necessarily reset. If they do, then you will have them reset for
> chapters only, or some other high level structure.

I use different numbering streams (series labels) for tables (T) and figures 
(F). Their numbering includes the <$chapnum> variable, and they're reset by 
Format > Document > Numbering > Paragraph > Restart Paragraph Numbering. 
Anything that doesn't need to restart _within_ a file can be controlled by the 
document numbering settings. 
 
> So to make a numbering stream that includes both steps, lists, tables
> and captions you would use a pattern much like that below.

Or something like this: 

FigCap: F:Figure\ <$chapnum>\+\t
TableCap: T:Table\ <$chapnum>\+\t 

ListNum: N:< =0>\t 
ListAlpha: N:< >\t
Body, TaskIntroduction, and all headings: N:< =0>< =0>

(I only use two numbered list levels, but a third could easily be added. I also 
have a separate numbering series and pgfs for lists in tables, but it follows 
the same pattern as above and is reset by TableBody.)

If you want separate pgf formats for procedure steps instead of using the List 
pgfs, you can use another series label (say, S), always start procedures with 
TaskIntroduction (or your preferred name), and have it reset the 1st-level step 
counter. Something like this (again, you can add a third-level counter if you 
really must): 

StepNum: S:< =0>\t 
StepAlpha: S:< >\t
TaskIntroduction: S:< =0>< =0>

FM's autonumbering is one of its best features, and quite flexible. The old, 
multi-counter method Scott outlined still works well, and some people prefer 
the infinite flexibility. 

I like to keep templates simple and enforce some rules about what can follow 
what by building them into the formats. Procedures must all start the same way, 
or the numbering won't work. Lists can't contain Body pgfs (or headings), or 
the numbering won't work. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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A simple numbering question

[Combs, Richard]

quills at airmail.net wrote:

> If you are doing procedures, your steps won't bridge headings, neither
> will lists. So basically, you only have headings reset your numbering
> to
> zero.

A lot depends on template design (and consistency of application). But if all 
your procedures begin with a standard introductory pgf (mine is called 
TaskIntroduction) -- something like "To zorkate the frammish:" -- it can reset 
the 1st-level numbering counter. And of course, the 1st-level numbering pgf can 
reset the 2nd-level counter, etc. 

My template uses the same pgf formats for procedures and numbered lists. Since 
those pgfs have hanging indents, a regular Body pgf should never appear within 
a procedure or list (there are indented versions for that purpose). So my Body 
pgf and all headings reset the 1st-level numbering counter.

> If your numbering stream includes tables and graphic captions they
> won't
> necessarily reset. If they do, then you will have them reset for
> chapters only, or some other high level structure.

I use different numbering streams (series labels) for tables (T) and figures 
(F). Their numbering includes the <$chapnum> variable, and they're reset by 
Format > Document > Numbering > Paragraph > Restart Paragraph Numbering. 
Anything that doesn't need to restart _within_ a file can be controlled by the 
document numbering settings. 

> So to make a numbering stream that includes both steps, lists, tables
> and captions you would use a pattern much like that below.

Or something like this: 

FigCap: F:Figure\ <$chapnum>\+\t
TableCap: T:Table\ <$chapnum>\+\t 

ListNum: N:< =0>\t 
ListAlpha: N:< >\t
Body, TaskIntroduction, and all headings: N:< =0>< =0>

(I only use two numbered list levels, but a third could easily be added. I also 
have a separate numbering series and pgfs for lists in tables, but it follows 
the same pattern as above and is reset by TableBody.)

If you want separate pgf formats for procedure steps instead of using the List 
pgfs, you can use another series label (say, S), always start procedures with 
TaskIntroduction (or your preferred name), and have it reset the 1st-level step 
counter. Something like this (again, you can add a third-level counter if you 
really must): 

StepNum: S:< =0>\t 
StepAlpha: S:< >\t
TaskIntroduction: S:< =0>< =0>

FM's autonumbering is one of its best features, and quite flexible. The old, 
multi-counter method Scott outlined still works well, and some people prefer 
the infinite flexibility. 

I like to keep templates simple and enforce some rules about what can follow 
what by building them into the formats. Procedures must all start the same way, 
or the numbering won't work. Lists can't contain Body pgfs (or headings), or 
the numbering won't work. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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A simple numbering question

[Jay Mahler]

Andy,

To answer your question, yes, you need to reset your list numbering in every 
paragraph type that could come between numbered lists. This generally isn't a 
large set of tags for the document formats I use. I often have a Numbered-cont 
paragraph tag that I use when numbered items may end up being more than one 
paragraph. This paragraph style indents and doesn't clear any of the 
auto-numbers. 

Regarding your example of a figure anchor paragraph, I generally try to avoid 
this technique. I know many Framers use a special anchor paragraph to keep 
figure numbers/captions with the anchored frame, but I prefer to put the anchor 
at the end of the paragraph that first references the figure. To keep the 
figure number with the anchored frame, I'll put a text frame inside of the 
graphic anchored frame at the bottom and house the figure caption inside the 
graphic's anchored frame. 

Frankly, all of my clients lately have had predefined templates that use the 
Numbered-1, Numbered, etc., and Anchor paragraph techniques, so I haven't 
practiced what I'm preaching here in several years.

Regarding your second point, the last time I did this, I used a fairly complex 
auto-numbering series. For example, assume that I have a document that requires 
a chapter numbers, Heading 1 numbers, and Heading 2 numbers, Numbered list, 
Lettered (sub) lists, Figure numbers, and Table numbers, the auto-number 
formats would be something like this:

Chapter: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>
Heading 1: N:.< =0>< =0>< =0>
Heading  2: N:..< =0>< =0>
Body: N:< >< >< >< =0>< =0>
Numbered: N: < >< >< >< =0>
Lettered: N: < >< >< >< >
Figure: Figure -< >< >< >< > 
Table: Table -< >< >< >< >< >

This assumes that figure and table numbers have the - format, 
and they reset to one for each new chapter. I don't remember if I needed the 
empty < > for Figure and Table numbers on paragraph tags that didn't reset or 
use those numbers.

I guess the bottom line is that this auto-numbering style is more complex, but 
you only need to do it once. With the explicit set to one numbering, you're 
always having to select one of two style for each type of numbering. You also 
need to revisit the paragraph style if you ever enter a new Numbered-1 above 
the old one.

Jay
-Original Message-
From: Andy Kass [mailto:ak...@jaspersoft.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:25 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Jay Mahler
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question

Hi,

At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and NumberedAlphaFirst 
para tags in my own templates have been bothering me for quite a while.

But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or even 
possible. I see two problems:

1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every paragraph 
type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones that are allowed 
inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two groups are mutually 
exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in my figure anchor paragraph) 
both as a separator (and nothing else) between procedures and as a illustration 
inside a procedure.

2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have its own 
numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber series). So I cannot 
use headings alone between lists, unless I put all my autonumbering into a 
single series, but that would be even more confusing.

I am wondering how you solved these problems. From what I see, you need to have 
usage rules such as "always put an intro paragraph or instruction lead-in" 
before a procedure (so that lists are separated and numbering is reset), or you 
need a more complicated numbering format on all your tags. And both of those 
seem more complex and error-prone than the NumberedFirst para tags.

Thanks,

  Andy

--
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:58:56 -0400
From: Jay Mahler 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
Message-ID:
<2827841E8340F047862E0808EF03C9D91E754488E8 at winxbeus16.exchange.xchg>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or header 
tag is something I highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags often 
look something like this: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>

Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It just 
makes the document harder to maintain.

Jay Mahler

Re: A simple numbering question

[quills]

Not really. Let's consider what might be eligible as a reset format.

Obviously the first paragraph, such as the Chapter title would reset 
everything to zero. Heading 1, yes. Heading 2, yes. Headings down to the 
nth level, yes.


If you are doing procedures, your steps won't bridge headings, neither 
will lists. So basically, you only have headings reset your numbering to 
zero.


If your numbering stream includes tables and graphic captions they won't 
necessarily reset. If they do, then you will have them reset for 
chapters only, or some other high level structure.


So to make a numbering stream that includes both steps, lists, tables 
and captions you would use a pattern much like that below.


The first three positions are for three levels of steps, the next three 
are for three levels of lists, then one position for tables, and one for 
captions.


Chapter Title
N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>

Heading 1 through x
N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >

Step1
N:< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >.
Step2
N:< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >.
Step3
N:< >< >< =0>< =0>< =0>< >< >.

Table
N:Table < >< >< >< >< >< >< >.

And so on.

Scott T

On 4/5/11 3:25 PM, Andy Kass wrote:

Hi,

At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and NumberedAlphaFirst 
para tags in my own templates have been bothering me for quite a while.

But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or even 
possible. I see two problems:

1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every paragraph 
type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones that are allowed 
inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two groups are mutually 
exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in my figure anchor paragraph) 
both as a separator (and nothing else) between procedures and as a illustration 
inside a procedure.

2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have its own 
numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber series). So I cannot 
use headings alone between lists, unless I put all my autonumbering into a 
single series, but that would be even more confusing.

I am wondering how you solved these problems. From what I see, you need to have usage 
rules such as "always put an intro paragraph or instruction lead-in" before a 
procedure (so that lists are separated and numbering is reset), or you need a more 
complicated numbering format on all your tags. And both of those seem more complex and 
error-prone than the NumberedFirst para tags.

Thanks,

   Andy

--
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:58:56 -0400
From: Jay Mahler
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com"
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
Message-ID:
 <2827841e8340f047862e0808ef03c9d91e75448...@winxbeus16.exchange.xchg>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or header tag is something I 
highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags often look something like this: N:<  
=0><  =0><  =0>

Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It just 
makes the document harder to maintain.

Jay Mahler
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RE: A simple numbering question

[Andy Kass]

Hi,

At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and NumberedAlphaFirst 
para tags in my own templates have been bothering me for quite a while.

But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or even 
possible. I see two problems:

1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every paragraph 
type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones that are allowed 
inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two groups are mutually 
exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in my figure anchor paragraph) 
both as a separator (and nothing else) between procedures and as a illustration 
inside a procedure.

2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have its own 
numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber series). So I cannot 
use headings alone between lists, unless I put all my autonumbering into a 
single series, but that would be even more confusing.

I am wondering how you solved these problems. From what I see, you need to have 
usage rules such as "always put an intro paragraph or instruction lead-in" 
before a procedure (so that lists are separated and numbering is reset), or you 
need a more complicated numbering format on all your tags. And both of those 
seem more complex and error-prone than the NumberedFirst para tags.

Thanks,

  Andy

--
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:58:56 -0400
From: Jay Mahler 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
Message-ID:
<2827841e8340f047862e0808ef03c9d91e75448...@winxbeus16.exchange.xchg>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or header 
tag is something I highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags often 
look something like this: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>

Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It just 
makes the document harder to maintain.

Jay Mahler
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A simple numbering question

[Andy Kass]

Hi,

At first, I really liked Jay's idea. Those NumberedFirst and NumberedAlphaFirst 
para tags in my own templates have been bothering me for quite a while.

But the more I think about it, the less I think it is practical, or even 
possible. I see two problems:

1. With this solution, you need to reset your list numbering in every paragraph 
type that could come between numbered lists, but not in ones that are allowed 
inside a numbered list. And I'm not sure those two groups are mutually 
exclusive. For example, I could have a figure (in my figure anchor paragraph) 
both as a separator (and nothing else) between procedures and as a illustration 
inside a procedure.

2. Any tag that may separate numbered lists (by itself) cannot have its own 
numbering (because paragraphs can have only one autonumber series). So I cannot 
use headings alone between lists, unless I put all my autonumbering into a 
single series, but that would be even more confusing.

I am wondering how you solved these problems. From what I see, you need to have 
usage rules such as "always put an intro paragraph or instruction lead-in" 
before a procedure (so that lists are separated and numbering is reset), or you 
need a more complicated numbering format on all your tags. And both of those 
seem more complex and error-prone than the NumberedFirst para tags.

Thanks,

  Andy

--
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 13:58:56 -0400
From: Jay Mahler 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
Message-ID:
<2827841E8340F047862E0808EF03C9D91E754488E8 at winxbeus16.exchange.xchg>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or header 
tag is something I highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags often 
look something like this: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>

Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It just 
makes the document harder to maintain.

Jay Mahler

RE: A simple numbering question

[Jay Mahler]

I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or header 
tag is something I highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags often 
look something like this: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>

Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It just 
makes the document harder to maintain.

Jay Mahler

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 07:55:45 -0700
From: "Combs, Richard" 
To: Joel , "framers@lists.frameusers.com"
    
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
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Joel wrote:
 
> I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:
> 
> A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
> B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using 
> the same paragraph tag.
> 
> Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following
> numbering:
> 
> B:.\t
> B:.\t
> 
> I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, 
> can you suggest it? Thanks,

You can define the autonumber format of the preceding paragraph format to reset 
the numbering. In your case, like this: 

B:< =0>

You could define your standard body text format to reset the numbering, or 
maybe some/all heading formats. It depends on your template design, how this 
numbering series is used, and whether you have other numbering series. In the 
online help or manual, look up autonumbering, and in particular using counters, 
for more information. 

With a bit of careful thought, you can have multiple numbered lists that are 
all automatically restarted when appropriate without needing special paragraph 
formats to restart the numbering. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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A simple numbering question

[Joel]

Thanks to all for the replies. - Joel

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

>  Joel wrote:
>
> > I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:
> >
> > A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
> > B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using the
> > same paragraph tag.
> >
> > Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following
> > numbering:
> >
> > B:.\t
> > B:.\t
> >
> > I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, can
> > you suggest it? Thanks,
>
> You can define the autonumber format of the preceding paragraph format to
> reset the numbering. In your case, like this:
>
> B:< =0>
>
> You could define your standard body text format to reset the numbering, or
> maybe some/all heading formats. It depends on your template design, how this
> numbering series is used, and whether you have other numbering series. In
> the online help or manual, look up autonumbering, and in particular using
> counters, for more information.
>
> With a bit of careful thought, you can have multiple numbered lists that
> are all automatically restarted when appropriate without needing special
> paragraph formats to restart the numbering.
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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A simple numbering question

[Jay Mahler]

I agree. Zeroing lists with Body tags and some lists on each chapter or header 
tag is something I highly recommend. My Numbering format for Body tags often 
look something like this: N:< =0>< =0>< =0>

Then, I can have simple formats for Numbered, Numbered-A, Numbered-a, etc. 
There is nothing I hate more than a template required by a client that has a 
bunch of Numbered-1, Numbered; Numbered-A-1, Numbered-A, etc. formats. It just 
makes the document harder to maintain.

Jay Mahler

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 07:55:45 -0700
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To: Joel , "framers at lists.frameusers.com"
    
Subject: RE: A simple numbering question
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Joel wrote:

> I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:
> 
> A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
> B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using 
> the same paragraph tag.
> 
> Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following
> numbering:
> 
> B:.\t
> B:.\t
> 
> I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, 
> can you suggest it? Thanks,

You can define the autonumber format of the preceding paragraph format to reset 
the numbering. In your case, like this: 

B:< =0>

You could define your standard body text format to reset the numbering, or 
maybe some/all heading formats. It depends on your template design, how this 
numbering series is used, and whether you have other numbering series. In the 
online help or manual, look up autonumbering, and in particular using counters, 
for more information. 

With a bit of careful thought, you can have multiple numbered lists that are 
all automatically restarted when appropriate without needing special paragraph 
formats to restart the numbering. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111

Re: A simple numbering question

[Joel]

Thanks to all for the replies. - Joel

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

>  Joel wrote:
>
> > I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:
> >
> > A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
> > B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using the
> > same paragraph tag.
> >
> > Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following
> > numbering:
> >
> > B:.\t
> > B:.\t
> >
> > I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, can
> > you suggest it? Thanks,
>
> You can define the autonumber format of the preceding paragraph format to
> reset the numbering. In your case, like this:
>
> B:< =0>
>
> You could define your standard body text format to reset the numbering, or
> maybe some/all heading formats. It depends on your template design, how this
> numbering series is used, and whether you have other numbering series. In
> the online help or manual, look up autonumbering, and in particular using
> counters, for more information.
>
> With a bit of careful thought, you can have multiple numbered lists that
> are all automatically restarted when appropriate without needing special
> paragraph formats to restart the numbering.
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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A simple numbering question

[Joel]

I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:

A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using the same
paragraph tag.

Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following numbering:

B:.\t
B:.\t

I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, can you
suggest it? Thanks,

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[Combs, Richard]

Joel wrote:
 
> I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:
> 
> A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
> B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using the
> same paragraph tag.
> 
> Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following
> numbering:
> 
> B:.\t
> B:.\t
> 
> I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, can
> you suggest it? Thanks,

You can define the autonumber format of the preceding paragraph format to reset 
the numbering. In your case, like this: 

B:< =0>

You could define your standard body text format to reset the numbering, or 
maybe some/all heading formats. It depends on your template design, how this 
numbering series is used, and whether you have other numbering series. In the 
online help or manual, look up autonumbering, and in particular using counters, 
for more information. 

With a bit of careful thought, you can have multiple numbered lists that are 
all automatically restarted when appropriate without needing special paragraph 
formats to restart the numbering. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
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A simple numbering question

[Combs, Richard]

Joel wrote:

> I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:
> 
> A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
> B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using the
> same paragraph tag.
> 
> Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following
> numbering:
> 
> B:.\t
> B:.\t
> 
> I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, can
> you suggest it? Thanks,

You can define the autonumber format of the preceding paragraph format to reset 
the numbering. In your case, like this: 

B:< =0>

You could define your standard body text format to reset the numbering, or 
maybe some/all heading formats. It depends on your template design, how this 
numbering series is used, and whether you have other numbering series. In the 
online help or manual, look up autonumbering, and in particular using counters, 
for more information. 

With a bit of careful thought, you can have multiple numbered lists that are 
all automatically restarted when appropriate without needing special paragraph 
formats to restart the numbering. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

A simple numbering question

[Joel]

I want to produce the following paragraph tag results:

A. Sentence A with the letter A and a period.
B. The following sentence with the letter B and a period, but using the same
paragraph tag.

Currently, I have two tags to accomplish this, with the following numbering:

B:.\t
B:.\t

I would like one tag instead of two. I'm sure there is a better way, can you
suggest it? Thanks,

Joel
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Numbering question

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Tammy,



A section is below a chapter (that is: a chapter can contain sections, not
the other way round), it's a nested structure.



To us this you have to insert a folder in the book and put your section
files in that folder. The folder is your chapter and can have a chapter
number ($chapnum) and the files in the folder do have a section number
($sectionnum), while reusing the chapter number of the containing folder.



Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,

Wim Hooghwinkel

iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant, Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in
FrameMaker

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Re: Numbering question

[Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp]

Hi Tammy,

 

A section is below a chapter (that is: a chapter can contain sections, not
the other way round), it's a nested structure.

 

To us this you have to insert a folder in the book and put your section
files in that folder. The folder is your chapter and can have a chapter
number ($chapnum) and the files in the folder do have a section number
($sectionnum), while reusing the chapter number of the containing folder.

 

Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,

Wim Hooghwinkel

iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant, Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in
FrameMaker

  NLDITA 2011 - june 1 2011 in Utrecht - DITA
and topic based information developent

  NLDITA Tools 2011 - April 1 2011 in Utrecht -
Tools and best practices for Authoring, Managing and Publishing

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Numbering question

[Spectrum Writing]

All,



I have an unstructured Frame book created in FM 9.0 (all patched and
current) that contains the following layout:



. Front Cover

. Front Matter

. Generated TOC

. 40 individual files,

. Index



The structure of these individual files is this:

. Section 1 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

. Section 2 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

. Section 3 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

. Section 4 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

.  



As you can see, a  Section (e.g. Section 1) is its own physical file in a
book versus being in a chapter that contains multiple sections. I want to
set up Section Numbering so that each section page is automatically numbered
correctly. What I am trying to do is set up set up section numbering for a
section, for example, Section 1, and then set the section numbering for all
the chapters in the section to use the same number as previous section. The
for Section 2, set the Section Numbering to be continued from the previous
section in the book, set the section numbering for all chapters in the
section to use the same number as previous section, and so on; however, the
Section Numbering options for any file that I select is not available - all
options are totally grayed out and I am stumped. Why isn't section numbering
an option for me and how can I get these section pages to auto-increment as
a result?



TIA,



TVB





Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

info at spectrumwritingllc.com

Re: Numbering question

[Writer]

We got around that by using Volume numbering instead.

Nadine

--- On Fri, 1/28/11, Spectrum Writing  wrote:

> From: Spectrum Writing 
> Subject: Numbering question
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:35 AM
> All,
> 
>  
> 
> I have an unstructured Frame book created in FM 9.0 (all
> patched and
> current) that contains the following layout:
> 
>  
> 
> .         Front Cover
> 
> .         Front Matter
> 
> .         Generated TOC
> 
> .         40 individual
> files,
> 
> .         Index
> 
>  
> 
> The structure of these individual files is this:
> 
> .         Section 1 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .         Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .         Section 2 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .         Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .         Section 3 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .         Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .         Section 4 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .         Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .          
> 
>  
> 
> As you can see, a  Section (e.g. Section 1) is its own
> physical file in a
> book versus being in a chapter that contains multiple
> sections. I want to
> set up Section Numbering so that each section page is
> automatically numbered
> correctly. What I am trying to do is set up set up section
> numbering for a
> section, for example, Section 1, and then set the section
> numbering for all
> the chapters in the section to use the same number as
> previous section. The
> for Section 2, set the Section Numbering to be continued
> from the previous
> section in the book, set the section numbering for all
> chapters in the
> section to use the same number as previous section, and so
> on; however, the
> Section Numbering options for any file that I select is not
> available - all
> options are totally grayed out and I am stumped. Why isn't
> section numbering
> an option for me and how can I get these section pages to
> auto-increment as
> a result?
> 
>  
> 
> TIA,
> 
>  
> 
> TVB
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> 
> Owner/Principal
> 
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
> i...@spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
>  
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Numbering question

[Writer]

We got around that by using Volume numbering instead.

Nadine

--- On Fri, 1/28/11, Spectrum Writing  wrote:

> From: Spectrum Writing 
> Subject: Numbering question
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Friday, January 28, 2011, 10:35 AM
> All,
> 
>  
> 
> I have an unstructured Frame book created in FM 9.0 (all
> patched and
> current) that contains the following layout:
> 
>  
> 
> .? ? ? ???Front Cover
> 
> .? ? ? ???Front Matter
> 
> .? ? ? ???Generated TOC
> 
> .? ? ? ???40 individual
> files,
> 
> .? ? ? ???Index
> 
>  
> 
> The structure of these individual files is this:
> 
> .? ? ? ???Section 1 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .? ? ? ???Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in? book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .? ? ? ???Section 2 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .? ? ? ???Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in? book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .? ? ? ???Section 3 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .? ? ? ???Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in? book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .? ? ? ???Section 4 Splash
> page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
> displayed.)
> 
> .? ? ? ???Multiple chapter
> files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
> through . . . , with first chapter in? book set to
> have the same chapter
> number as the preceding Section splash page and all other
> chapter numbers
> set to auto-increment)
> 
> .? ? ? ? ? 
> 
>  
> 
> As you can see, a? Section (e.g. Section 1) is its own
> physical file in a
> book versus being in a chapter that contains multiple
> sections. I want to
> set up Section Numbering so that each section page is
> automatically numbered
> correctly. What I am trying to do is set up set up section
> numbering for a
> section, for example, Section 1, and then set the section
> numbering for all
> the chapters in the section to use the same number as
> previous section. The
> for Section 2, set the Section Numbering to be continued
> from the previous
> section in the book, set the section numbering for all
> chapters in the
> section to use the same number as previous section, and so
> on; however, the
> Section Numbering options for any file that I select is not
> available - all
> options are totally grayed out and I am stumped. Why isn't
> section numbering
> an option for me and how can I get these section pages to
> auto-increment as
> a result?
> 
>  
> 
> TIA,
> 
>  
> 
> TVB
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tammy Van Boening
> 
> Owner/Principal
> 
> Spectrum Writing, LLC
> 
> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
> info at spectrumwritingllc.com
> 
>  
> 
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Numbering question

[Spectrum Writing]

All,

 

I have an unstructured Frame book created in FM 9.0 (all patched and
current) that contains the following layout:

 

. Front Cover

. Front Matter

. Generated TOC

. 40 individual files,

. Index

 

The structure of these individual files is this:

. Section 1 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

. Section 2 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

. Section 3 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

. Section 4 Splash page (Chapter Number set to 1, but it is not
displayed.)

. Multiple chapter files (each chapter numbered sequentially 1
through . . . , with first chapter in  book set to have the same chapter
number as the preceding Section splash page and all other chapter numbers
set to auto-increment)

.  

 

As you can see, a  Section (e.g. Section 1) is its own physical file in a
book versus being in a chapter that contains multiple sections. I want to
set up Section Numbering so that each section page is automatically numbered
correctly. What I am trying to do is set up set up section numbering for a
section, for example, Section 1, and then set the section numbering for all
the chapters in the section to use the same number as previous section. The
for Section 2, set the Section Numbering to be continued from the previous
section in the book, set the section numbering for all chapters in the
section to use the same number as previous section, and so on; however, the
Section Numbering options for any file that I select is not available - all
options are totally grayed out and I am stumped. Why isn't section numbering
an option for me and how can I get these section pages to auto-increment as
a result?

 

TIA,

 

TVB

 

 

Tammy Van Boening

Owner/Principal

Spectrum Writing, LLC

www.spectrumwritingllc.com

i...@spectrumwritingllc.com

 

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Re: Numbering question

[Angela Provan]

Thanks everyone for your help! I got it working.

2009/2/24 Angela Provan 

> Hi All,
>
> I have a quick question about simple numbering options. I am creating a
> doco with numbered paragraphs i.e.
>
> 2
> 2.1
> 2.1.1
>
> 2.2
> 2.2.1
>
> I have set these as heading 1, heading 2 and heading 3 but having
> difficulty with the numbering.
> I'm still new to FM and therefore fumbling my way through it so any help
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Angela Provan
> Maptek | Technical Writer
>
>
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Numbering question

[Angela Provan]

Thanks everyone for your help! I got it working.

2009/2/24 Angela Provan 

> Hi All,
>
> I have a quick question about simple numbering options. I am creating a
> doco with numbered paragraphs i.e.
>
> 2
> 2.1
> 2.1.1
>
> 2.2
> 2.2.1
>
> I have set these as heading 1, heading 2 and heading 3 but having
> difficulty with the numbering.
> I'm still new to FM and therefore fumbling my way through it so any help
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Angela Provan
> Maptek | Technical Writer
>
>

Numbering question

[Fred Ridder]

Lester Smalley wrote (in part):



> You can use more than just letters as the numbering series identifiers; 
> digits and punctuation symbols work also, although can become extremely 
> confusing.  
> 
> I have not tested it thoroughly, but I believe that any single character may 
> be used as an identifier preceding the colon, so you can have the very 
> cryptic number series <:


I did do some testing on this a few years back (on FM6), and found that there 
are, in fact, a few reserved characters that you *cannot* use. As I recall, the 
left angle bracket, the equals sign, the plus sign, and the colon were among 
the reserved characters that cannot be used for series labels. But even if you 
avoid most of the strange or confusing punctuation marks and any character 
pairs that are easily mistaken (e.g., l and 1, O and 0), you still can define 
more than 60 independent numbering series, which should be enough for most uses.

-Fred Ridder

Numbering question

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

ROFL.

If any document needs *that* many independent counters, then it is
probably too complicated for the audience to follow the numbering
anyway! :)

I think that KISS should be applied. I know that I have paragraph
numbering up the wazoo in my tech specs, but 12 counters have been more
than sufficient for even my most complex docs!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:22 AM
To: l_c_smalley at yahoo.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Numbering question


Lester Smalley wrote (in part):

> You can use more than just letters as the numbering series
identifiers; digits and punctuation symbols work also, although can
become extremely confusing.  
> 
> I have not tested it thoroughly, but I believe that any single
character may be used as an identifier preceding the colon, so you can
have the very cryptic number series <:


I did do some testing on this a few years back (on FM6), and found that
there are, in fact, a few reserved characters that you *cannot* use. As
I recall, the left angle bracket, the equals sign, the plus sign, and
the colon were among the reserved characters that cannot be used for
series labels. But even if you avoid most of the strange or confusing
punctuation marks and any character pairs that are easily mistaken
(e.g., l and 1, O and 0), you still can define more than 60 independent
numbering series, which should be enough for most uses.

-Fred Ridder

Numbering question

[Art Campbell]

In addition to these pointers, you may want to look at the template
files that ship with Frame to see how the numbering is implemented in
them.

There are also some template packs from a previous release that you
can download and look through...
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows

Art

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On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Stuart Rogers
 wrote:
> quills at airmail.net wrote:
>>
>> The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.
>>
>
> ...or any lower case letter. ?The series label is case-sensitive, so h:
> and H: would identify two different streams.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
>
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Numbering question

[Peter Gold]

Look up autonumber in FM Help. The most pertinent topic is:

 Using multiple counters in an autonumber format

but most of the topics are relevant.

In File > New > Explore Standard Templates, the outline templates are
examples of different numbering styles. Choose Show Sample for each
outline template to display examples of the numbering. With the
Paragraph Designer open to the Numbering properties pane, move your
insertion pointer through the example paragraphs, and observe the
paragraph tag name and its Autonumber format to see the formats and
their results.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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RE: Numbering question

[Syed.Hosain]

ROFL.

If any document needs *that* many independent counters, then it is
probably too complicated for the audience to follow the numbering
anyway! :)

I think that KISS should be applied. I know that I have paragraph
numbering up the wazoo in my tech specs, but 12 counters have been more
than sufficient for even my most complex docs!

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:22 AM
To: l_c_smal...@yahoo.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Numbering question


Lester Smalley wrote (in part):

> You can use more than just letters as the numbering series
identifiers; digits and punctuation symbols work also, although can
become extremely confusing.  
> 
> I have not tested it thoroughly, but I believe that any single
character may be used as an identifier preceding the colon, so you can
have the very cryptic number series <:


I did do some testing on this a few years back (on FM6), and found that
there are, in fact, a few reserved characters that you *cannot* use. As
I recall, the left angle bracket, the equals sign, the plus sign, and
the colon were among the reserved characters that cannot be used for
series labels. But even if you avoid most of the strange or confusing
punctuation marks and any character pairs that are easily mistaken
(e.g., l and 1, O and 0), you still can define more than 60 independent
numbering series, which should be enough for most uses.

-Fred Ridder
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RE: Numbering question

[Fred Ridder]

Lester Smalley wrote (in part):

 

> You can use more than just letters as the numbering series identifiers; 
> digits and punctuation symbols work also, although can become extremely 
> confusing.  
> 
> I have not tested it thoroughly, but I believe that any single character may 
> be used as an identifier preceding the colon, so you can have the very 
> cryptic number series <:


I did do some testing on this a few years back (on FM6), and found that there 
are, in fact, a few reserved characters that you *cannot* use. As I recall, the 
left angle bracket, the equals sign, the plus sign, and the colon were among 
the reserved characters that cannot be used for series labels. But even if you 
avoid most of the strange or confusing punctuation marks and any character 
pairs that are easily mistaken (e.g., l and 1, O and 0), you still can define 
more than 60 independent numbering series, which should be enough for most uses.

-Fred Ridder

 

 
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Numbering question

[Stuart Rogers]

quills at airmail.net wrote:
> 
> The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.
> 

...or any lower case letter.  The series label is case-sensitive, so h: 
and H: would identify two different streams.

Best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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-- Eleanor Roosevelt

Numbering question

[Angela Provan]

Hi All,

I have a quick question about simple numbering options. I am creating a doco
with numbered paragraphs i.e.

2
2.1
2.1.1

2.2
2.2.1

I have set these as heading 1, heading 2 and heading 3 but having difficulty
with the numbering.
I'm still new to FM and therefore fumbling my way through it so any help
would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

-- 
Angela Provan
Maptek | Technical Writer

Re: Numbering question

[Peter Gold]

Look up autonumber in FM Help. The most pertinent topic is:

 Using multiple counters in an autonumber format

but most of the topics are relevant.

In File > New > Explore Standard Templates, the outline templates are
examples of different numbering styles. Choose Show Sample for each
outline template to display examples of the numbering. With the
Paragraph Designer open to the Numbering properties pane, move your
insertion pointer through the example paragraphs, and observe the
paragraph tag name and its Autonumber format to see the formats and
their results.

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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Re: Numbering question

[Les Smalley]

You can use more than just letters as the numbering series identifiers; digits 
and punctuation symbols work also, although can become extremely confusing.  

I have not tested it thoroughly, but I believe that any single character may be 
used as an identifier preceding the colon, so you can have the very cryptic 
number series <:

– Lester

--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Stuart Rogers  wrote:
qui...@airmail.net wrote:

> The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.

...or any lower case letter.  The series label is case-sensitive, so h: and H: 
would identify two different streams.

Best,
-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Numbering question

[Les Smalley]

You can use more than just letters as the numbering series identifiers; digits 
and punctuation symbols work also, although can become extremely confusing.? 

I have not tested it thoroughly, but I believe that any single character may be 
used as an identifier preceding the colon, so you can have the very cryptic 
number series <:

? Lester

--- On Tue, 2/24/09, Stuart Rogers  wrote:
quills at airmail.net wrote:

> The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.

...or any lower case letter.  The series label is case-sensitive, so h: and H: 
would identify two different streams.

Best,
-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product."
-- Eleanor Roosevelt

Re: Numbering question

[Art Campbell]

In addition to these pointers, you may want to look at the template
files that ship with Frame to see how the numbering is implemented in
them.

There are also some template packs from a previous release that you
can download and look through...
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows

Art

Art Campbell
   art.campb...@gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
   DoD 358



On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Stuart Rogers
 wrote:
> qui...@airmail.net wrote:
>>
>> The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.
>>
>
> ...or any lower case letter.  The series label is case-sensitive, so h:
> and H: would identify two different streams.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
>
> "Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product."
>
> -- Eleanor Roosevelt
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Re: Numbering question

[Stuart Rogers]

qui...@airmail.net wrote:
> 
> The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.
> 

...or any lower case letter.  The series label is case-sensitive, so h: 
and H: would identify two different streams.

Best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Numbering question

[qui...@airmail.net]

Your heading 1 should have the numbering stream set as follows:

H:< =0>< =0>

This increments your heading 1 and sets following heading 2 and heading 
3 to zero.

heading 2:

H:.< =0>

heading 3:
H:..

You should have a leading paragraph in each chapter that resets your 
numbering stream to zero. This could be the chapter heading which should 
look something like:

H:< =0>< =0>< =0>

The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.

Scott


Angela Provan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have a quick question about simple numbering options. I am creating a doco
> with numbered paragraphs i.e.
>
> 2
> 2.1
> 2.1.1
>
> 2.2
> 2.2.1
>
> I have set these as heading 1, heading 2 and heading 3 but having difficulty
> with the numbering.
> I'm still new to FM and therefore fumbling my way through it so any help
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks
>
>   

Re: Numbering question

[quills]

Your heading 1 should have the numbering stream set as follows:

H:< =0>< =0>

This increments your heading 1 and sets following heading 2 and heading 
3 to zero.

heading 2:

H:.< =0>

heading 3:
H:..

You should have a leading paragraph in each chapter that resets your 
numbering stream to zero. This could be the chapter heading which should 
look something like:

H:< =0>< =0>< =0>

The number stream identifier is H: but could be any captial letter.

Scott


Angela Provan wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have a quick question about simple numbering options. I am creating a doco
> with numbered paragraphs i.e.
>
> 2
> 2.1
> 2.1.1
>
> 2.2
> 2.2.1
>
> I have set these as heading 1, heading 2 and heading 3 but having difficulty
> with the numbering.
> I'm still new to FM and therefore fumbling my way through it so any help
> would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks
>
>   

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Numbering question

[Angela Provan]

Hi All,

I have a quick question about simple numbering options. I am creating a doco
with numbered paragraphs i.e.

2
2.1
2.1.1

2.2
2.2.1

I have set these as heading 1, heading 2 and heading 3 but having difficulty
with the numbering.
I'm still new to FM and therefore fumbling my way through it so any help
would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

-- 
Angela Provan
Maptek | Technical Writer
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Page numbering question

[Keith Soltys]

I'm embarrassed. I never even looked at the help. I've found the help in 
previous versions of Frame to be so useless that I've given up on using 
it. Guess I'll have to start looking at it again.

Thank for pointing this out.

Keith

Peter Gold wrote:
> Hi, Keith:
> 
> Search FM Help for last page in book, and choose the topic "Including
> the total page count of a book in a header or footer," (or just search
> for "total page count.")
> 
> HTH
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter
> __
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
> 
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Keith Soltys  wrote:
>> I've run into something that's stumped me.
>>
>> Our house style for our technical docs has the page numbering style Page
>> x of y, where y is the total number of pages in the document. This is
>> easy to do in Word. I don't like it, but I need to set up a template in
>> Frame that matches the Word template we've been using.
>>
>> I thought it would be easy to do in Frame, as there is a
>> <$LastPageCount> variable which includes the last page number of the
>> document. But, in a book with multiple files I want the last page number
>> of the book. And what I'm getting is not right. For example, in chapter
>> 1 I get page 7 of 13, in chapter 2 I get page 18 of 26, and so on. The
>> page number count is correct but the last page number is the last page
>> number of the chapter file, not the book. It's only accurate for the
>> last file in the book.
>>
>> Does anyone know if it's possible to do this type of page numbering in
>> Frame and if so, how?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Keith

Page numbering question

[Keith Soltys]

I've run into something that's stumped me.

Our house style for our technical docs has the page numbering style Page 
x of y, where y is the total number of pages in the document. This is 
easy to do in Word. I don't like it, but I need to set up a template in 
Frame that matches the Word template we've been using.

I thought it would be easy to do in Frame, as there is a 
<$LastPageCount> variable which includes the last page number of the 
document. But, in a book with multiple files I want the last page number 
of the book. And what I'm getting is not right. For example, in chapter 
1 I get page 7 of 13, in chapter 2 I get page 18 of 26, and so on. The 
page number count is correct but the last page number is the last page 
number of the chapter file, not the book. It's only accurate for the 
last file in the book.

Does anyone know if it's possible to do this type of page numbering in 
Frame and if so, how?

Thanks
Keith

Page numbering question

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Keith:

Search FM Help for last page in book, and choose the topic "Including
the total page count of a book in a header or footer," (or just search
for "total page count.")

HTH

Regards,

Peter
__
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KnowHow ProServices

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Keith Soltys  wrote:
> I've run into something that's stumped me.
>
> Our house style for our technical docs has the page numbering style Page
> x of y, where y is the total number of pages in the document. This is
> easy to do in Word. I don't like it, but I need to set up a template in
> Frame that matches the Word template we've been using.
>
> I thought it would be easy to do in Frame, as there is a
> <$LastPageCount> variable which includes the last page number of the
> document. But, in a book with multiple files I want the last page number
> of the book. And what I'm getting is not right. For example, in chapter
> 1 I get page 7 of 13, in chapter 2 I get page 18 of 26, and so on. The
> page number count is correct but the last page number is the last page
> number of the chapter file, not the book. It's only accurate for the
> last file in the book.
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to do this type of page numbering in
> Frame and if so, how?
>
> Thanks
> Keith
> ___

Re: Page numbering question

[Keith Soltys]

I'm embarrassed. I never even looked at the help. I've found the help in 
previous versions of Frame to be so useless that I've given up on using 
it. Guess I'll have to start looking at it again.

Thank for pointing this out.

Keith

Peter Gold wrote:
> Hi, Keith:
> 
> Search FM Help for last page in book, and choose the topic "Including
> the total page count of a book in a header or footer," (or just search
> for "total page count.")
> 
> HTH
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter
> __
> Peter Gold
> KnowHow ProServices
> 
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Keith Soltys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've run into something that's stumped me.
>>
>> Our house style for our technical docs has the page numbering style Page
>> x of y, where y is the total number of pages in the document. This is
>> easy to do in Word. I don't like it, but I need to set up a template in
>> Frame that matches the Word template we've been using.
>>
>> I thought it would be easy to do in Frame, as there is a
>> <$LastPageCount> variable which includes the last page number of the
>> document. But, in a book with multiple files I want the last page number
>> of the book. And what I'm getting is not right. For example, in chapter
>> 1 I get page 7 of 13, in chapter 2 I get page 18 of 26, and so on. The
>> page number count is correct but the last page number is the last page
>> number of the chapter file, not the book. It's only accurate for the
>> last file in the book.
>>
>> Does anyone know if it's possible to do this type of page numbering in
>> Frame and if so, how?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Keith

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Re: Page numbering question

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Keith:

Search FM Help for last page in book, and choose the topic "Including
the total page count of a book in a header or footer," (or just search
for "total page count.")

HTH

Regards,

Peter
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On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 5:42 PM, Keith Soltys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've run into something that's stumped me.
>
> Our house style for our technical docs has the page numbering style Page
> x of y, where y is the total number of pages in the document. This is
> easy to do in Word. I don't like it, but I need to set up a template in
> Frame that matches the Word template we've been using.
>
> I thought it would be easy to do in Frame, as there is a
> <$LastPageCount> variable which includes the last page number of the
> document. But, in a book with multiple files I want the last page number
> of the book. And what I'm getting is not right. For example, in chapter
> 1 I get page 7 of 13, in chapter 2 I get page 18 of 26, and so on. The
> page number count is correct but the last page number is the last page
> number of the chapter file, not the book. It's only accurate for the
> last file in the book.
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible to do this type of page numbering in
> Frame and if so, how?
>
> Thanks
> Keith
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Page numbering question

[Keith Soltys]

I've run into something that's stumped me.

Our house style for our technical docs has the page numbering style Page 
x of y, where y is the total number of pages in the document. This is 
easy to do in Word. I don't like it, but I need to set up a template in 
Frame that matches the Word template we've been using.

I thought it would be easy to do in Frame, as there is a 
<$LastPageCount> variable which includes the last page number of the 
document. But, in a book with multiple files I want the last page number 
of the book. And what I'm getting is not right. For example, in chapter 
1 I get page 7 of 13, in chapter 2 I get page 18 of 26, and so on. The 
page number count is correct but the last page number is the last page 
number of the chapter file, not the book. It's only accurate for the 
last file in the book.

Does anyone know if it's possible to do this type of page numbering in 
Frame and if so, how?

Thanks
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Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks for all the responses! That was too easy.

Joel

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Pat Christenson 
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> Enable underlining in the paragraph designer. Then create a character tag
> in which underlining is disabled. Apply the character tag to the numbering
> properties in the paragraph designer.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>  Folks, I want a heading to look like:
>>
>> 1. *Blah
>>
>> *How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining for the
>> number, period, and space between the period and the text?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Numbering question

[Mike Feimster]

Joel,

Create a character style called "No Underline". All the values should be
"As Is". Make sure the Underline check box is cleared.

Open the paragraph designer for the heading.

On the default font tab, make the paragraph underlined.

On the Numbering tab, under Character Format, select "No Underline".

Mike

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Folks, I want a heading to look like:

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Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Folks, I want a heading to look like:

1. *Blah

*How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining for the
number, period, and space between the period and the text?

Thanks,

Joel

Re: Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Thanks for all the responses! That was too easy.

Joel

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Pat Christenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Enable underlining in the paragraph designer. Then create a character tag
> in which underlining is disabled. Apply the character tag to the numbering
> properties in the paragraph designer.
>
> Pat Christenson
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Joel Wilhelm wrote:
>
>  Folks, I want a heading to look like:
>>
>> 1. *Blah
>>
>> *How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining for the
>> number, period, and space between the period and the text?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
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Re: Numbering question

[Pat Christenson]

Enable underlining in the paragraph designer. Then create a character  
tag in which underlining is disabled. Apply the character tag to the  
numbering properties in the paragraph designer.

Pat Christenson

On Apr 24, 2008, at 1:35 PM, Joel Wilhelm wrote:

> Folks, I want a heading to look like:
>
> 1. *Blah
>
> *How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining  
> for the
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Numbering question

[Pat Christenson]

Enable underlining in the paragraph designer. Then create a character  
tag in which underlining is disabled. Apply the character tag to the  
numbering properties in the paragraph designer.

Pat Christenson

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>
> 1. *Blah
>
> *How do I get the text to underline, and yet have no underlining  
> for the
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RE: Numbering question

[Flato, Gillian]

In the reference section you can start the line to the left about 1/4"
or 1/2", whatever the size of the number could be. Assuming you're
underlining by assigning a below pgph line in the paragraph designer. 

-Gillian


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RE: Numbering question

[Mike Feimster]

Joel,

Create a character style called "No Underline". All the values should be
"As Is". Make sure the Underline check box is cleared.

Open the paragraph designer for the heading.

On the default font tab, make the paragraph underlined.

On the Numbering tab, under Character Format, select "No Underline".

Mike

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Folks, I want a heading to look like:

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Numbering question

[Flato, Gillian]

In the reference section you can start the line to the left about 1/4"
or 1/2", whatever the size of the number could be. Assuming you're
underlining by assigning a below pgph line in the paragraph designer. 

-Gillian


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Numbering question

[Joel Wilhelm]

Folks, I want a heading to look like:

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Rephrasing/Clarifying Page Numbering Question

[mcowan]

First, thanks to those of you who responded to my distress signal yesterday.

Clearly, from the responses I received, I had not clearly stated my problem.  
Guess that comes from being way too close to it and under the gun to get a 
boatload of deliverables out.

Anyway, let's see if I can make better sense of it today, as I still need the 
help on resolving my multiple page number types questions (brain teaser).

In my HEADER, I need the following (per our contract)
  Pages:  xxx (# of xxx)
 xxx = total page count of the pages in the document
 #   = the current page

The FOOTER needs to reflect the current page ...
  TOC, TOF, TOT, etc ... needs to be in small romans
  Chapter 1, page 1 (and following) ... needs to start with [restart with] "1"; 
however the header needs to keep a running tally of the pages.

So, let's say there were 10 pages between TOC, TOF, TOT, etc. -- numbered ii to 
x.
When I begin Chaper 1, the footer needs to switch not only from small romans to 
Arabic numerals but also needs to [restart] number as "1" ... while the header 
needs to reflect a running page count as, for example, "Pages: 120 (11 of 120)"

I solved the xxx part of it with the suggestion to make a tag (which I made as 
a pargraph tag named LAST PAGE and made the text white) and put a 
cross-reference to the tag in my master pages header.

In desperation re the TOC, TOF, TOT pages, I created individual master pages 
where I hard-coded the footer for page numbers ii to x.  Not the best way to do 
it, but a shorter workaround for the moment.
At least the footers said what I want and the header did what I want.

What I still haven't solved is the restarting the numbering from "1" beginning 
with page 1 of Chapter 1.

On the book window, when I do Document > Format > Numbering ... for Chapter 1, 
I say continue numbering from previous and I'll get the "Pages: 120 (11 of 
120)" part to work.
What doesn't work is the footer part ... it reflects page "11" and I want it to 
be page "1" in the footer.

Will greatly appreciate anyone's thoughts or suggestions on this "brain teaser."

Many thanks in advance for your help / suggestions / thoughts.




>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT)
>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Multiple types of page numbering?
>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>Does anyone know how I can solve the following problem?
>
>Document needs to have the typical page number with small romans for the TOC, 
>TOF, etc and Arabic numbering for the other chapters in the book.  (That's no 
>problem)
>
>HOWEVER, the problem come in when our contract requires us to have the 
>following in the header:
>  Pages:  xxx (# of xxx)
>
>I got the header set up, but for the # it pulls from the number of the page in 
>the document numbering format.
>
>Help???
>I'm sure there's a way to do what I want in FM, but I just haven't figured it 
>out.
>
>
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Rephrasing/Clarifying Page Numbering Question

[mco...@rcn.com]

First, thanks to those of you who responded to my distress signal yesterday.

Clearly, from the responses I received, I had not clearly stated my problem.  
Guess that comes from being way too close to it and under the gun to get a 
boatload of deliverables out.

Anyway, let's see if I can make better sense of it today, as I still need the 
help on resolving my multiple page number types questions (brain teaser).

In my HEADER, I need the following (per our contract)
  Pages:  xxx (# of xxx)
 xxx = total page count of the pages in the document
 #   = the current page

The FOOTER needs to reflect the current page ...
  TOC, TOF, TOT, etc ... needs to be in small romans
  Chapter 1, page 1 (and following) ... needs to start with [restart with] "1"; 
however the header needs to keep a running tally of the pages.

So, let's say there were 10 pages between TOC, TOF, TOT, etc. -- numbered ii to 
x.
When I begin Chaper 1, the footer needs to switch not only from small romans to 
Arabic numerals but also needs to [restart] number as "1" ... while the header 
needs to reflect a running page count as, for example, "Pages: 120 (11 of 120)"

I solved the xxx part of it with the suggestion to make a tag (which I made as 
a pargraph tag named LAST PAGE and made the text white) and put a 
cross-reference to the tag in my master pages header.

In desperation re the TOC, TOF, TOT pages, I created individual master pages 
where I hard-coded the footer for page numbers ii to x.  Not the best way to do 
it, but a shorter workaround for the moment.
At least the footers said what I want and the header did what I want.

What I still haven't solved is the restarting the numbering from "1" beginning 
with page 1 of Chapter 1.

On the book window, when I do Document > Format > Numbering ... for Chapter 1, 
I say continue numbering from previous and I'll get the "Pages: 120 (11 of 
120)" part to work.
What doesn't work is the footer part ... it reflects page "11" and I want it to 
be page "1" in the footer.

Will greatly appreciate anyone's thoughts or suggestions on this "brain teaser."

Many thanks in advance for your help / suggestions / thoughts.




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>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:30:39 -0400 (EDT)
>From: 
>Subject: Multiple types of page numbering?
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Message-ID: <20070322093039.BXE20970 at ms08.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>
>Does anyone know how I can solve the following problem?
>
>Document needs to have the typical page number with small romans for the TOC, 
>TOF, etc and Arabic numbering for the other chapters in the book.  (That's no 
>problem)
>
>HOWEVER, the problem come in when our contract requires us to have the 
>following in the header:
>  Pages:  xxx (# of xxx)
>
>I got the header set up, but for the # it pulls from the number of the page in 
>the document numbering format.
>
>Help???
>I'm sure there's a way to do what I want in FM, but I just haven't figured it 
>out.
>
>

Re: Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You could do this only if you are using different paragraph format
tags in the front matter than in the chapters (sections). You could
then use a specific counter for that set of tags using roman
numbering.

However, splitting the file into individual chapter files is probably
the best thing.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

On 12/16/05, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but
> is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file,
> but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table
> numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.
>
> How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter
> and enter the first chapter?
> How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?
>
> Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate
> files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work
> around.
>
> -bob
>
> Robert Kern
> President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
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> Carrboro, NC  27510
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Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

You could do this only if you are using different paragraph format
tags in the front matter than in the chapters (sections). You could
then use a specific counter for that set of tags using roman
numbering.

However, splitting the file into individual chapter files is probably
the best thing.

HTH,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

On 12/16/05, Robert Kern  wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but
> is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file,
> but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table
> numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.
>
> How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter
> and enter the first chapter?
> How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?
>
> Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate
> files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work
> around.
>
> -bob
>
> Robert Kern
> President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
> 108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
> Carrboro, NC  27510
> www.technicalpublishing.com
> bob at technicalpublishing.com
> 919-933-2629 phone and fax
>

Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:55 pm -0500 16/12/05, Robert Kern wrote:
>I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but is 
>currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file, but am 
>uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table numbering and page 
>numbering if things are in a single file.
>
>How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter and 
>enter the first chapter?
>How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?
>
>Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate files, but 
>hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work around.

Robert - I think $chapnum is misleading you here. Afaik, this is only 
incremented at the book level. For single file, use the multiple field counter 
scheme that Roger Shuttleworth described for your 'chapters' and numbered 
paragraphs. Although it's more complex, there are few limits to what you can 
achieve with it. Just define the first counter field to be your 'chapter' 
number, and assign other counter fields as required for your other numbered 
objects.

Page numbering will just flow through your file. However, you will have force 
blank pages when a 'chapter' ends on a recto page. I can't think of a way of 
changing from Roman to Arabic page numbers within a single file though: others 
might be cleverer. Someone has probably been through this hoop before.

You are right, though: you'd make you life easier by unbundling the chapters 
into a book.
-- 
Steve

Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Ridder, Fred]

No slick trick that I'm aware of, Bob.

If you need to change numbering format (roman vs. arabic vs. alpha), 
you need to have a file break at that point.

If you're using the $chapnum (and/or $volnum) system variable,
you must have a file break wherever that number needs to increment.

You can get around the second problem by redoing your numbering 
scheme to implement chapter numbering with a regular paragraph 
numbering counter (as we all had to do in pre-6.0 versions of 
FrameMaker).  But there's no workaround I can think of for the first 
issue.  

In our group, *every* FrameMaker book is built the same way from
a similar set of component files regardless of length.  Our books 
range from ~40 pages up to more than 600, but they are all assembled
the same way so that anybody who works with the book will be able 
to understand how the numbering is supposed to work when it comes 
time to publish.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Staff Information Services Analyst
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Behalf Of Robert Kern
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:56 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Numbering question on short books that are single files

All,

I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but

is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file,

but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table 
numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.

How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter

and enter the first chapter?
How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?

Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate 
files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work 
around.

-bob

Robert Kern
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108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
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Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Art Campbell]

As you point out, "the only good answer is to break the book into
separate chapters."

If you don't want to take an hour or so to do that, you could probably
spend a day or so kludging work-arounds to solve the problems you want
to solve. For instance, you could substitute a hand-crafted numbering
system that would function kind of like the built-in chapter and page
numbering markers (one tag/marker set for arabic; one for roman).

I think it'd be easier to take the time to do it right the first time,
rather than to spend more time later to fix the problems.

My $ .02.

Art


On 12/16/05, Robert Kern  wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but
> is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file,
> but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table
> numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.
>
> How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter
> and enter the first chapter?
> How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?
>
> Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate
> files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work
> around.
>
> -bob
>


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Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Kay Ethier, Sales]

Hi Bob:

You don't have to break the book into separate chapters for
chapter/appendix/figure/table numbering.  That can be handled by setting up
the paragraph formats to work together.  Some examples are online at
http://www.travelthepath.com/autonum.html .

The only "have to" reason for breaking into separate files is that you can't
have roman and arabic page numbers within a single file.

If you want me to walk you through some of the paragraph numbering, or
breaking into 2 files in a small book, give me a call.  

Hope all is going well with you,

.K.




-Original Message-
From: Robert Kern

All,

I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but 
is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file, 
but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table 
numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.

How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter 
and enter the first chapter?
How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?

Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate 
files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work 
around.

-bob

Robert Kern
President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
bob at technicalpublishing.com
919-933-2629 phone and fax

Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Robert Kern]

All,

I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but 
is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file, 
but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table 
numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.

How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter 
and enter the first chapter?
How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?

Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate 
files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work 
around.

-bob

Robert Kern
President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
bob at technicalpublishing.com
919-933-2629 phone and fax


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Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Combs, Richard]

Robert Kern wrote: 

> I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple 
> chapters but is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to 
> keep it as a single file, but am uncertain how to apply 
> chapter-like chapter/figure/table numbering and page 
> numbering if things are in a single file.

Forget it. You could work around the pgf numbering issues (figures,
etc.), but there's no reasonable workaround for page numbering. A single
file will have pages numbered consecutively throughout. There's no way
to stop and restart page numbering, much less change the numbering
format. 

You're trying to work against one of FM's greatest strengths and the way
it's intended to be used. Doesn't your book need at least a table of
contents? 

There are no advantages and many disadvantages to having the entire book
in one file. That's true regardless of the book size. And 180 pages
isn't that small; I maintain several manuals that are under 100 pages,
and each is an FM book containing at least 6 or 8 files. 

Separate each chapter into its own file. Create a book file and put all
the chapters into it. Add a title page file, the appropriate generated
list files (TOC, LOF, etc.), preface, etc. Manage the numbering using
the book numbering tools (chapnum variable, file-by-file page numbering
settings, etc.). Life will be a lot simpler. 

Or, if you really want just one file -- use Word. ;-) 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Kay Ethier, Sales]

Hi Bob:

You don't have to break the book into separate chapters for
chapter/appendix/figure/table numbering.  That can be handled by setting up
the paragraph formats to work together.  Some examples are online at
http://www.travelthepath.com/autonum.html .

The only "have to" reason for breaking into separate files is that you can't
have roman and arabic page numbers within a single file.

If you want me to walk you through some of the paragraph numbering, or
breaking into 2 files in a small book, give me a call.  

Hope all is going well with you,

.K.




-Original Message-
From: Robert Kern

All,

I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but 
is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file, 
but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table 
numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.

How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter 
and enter the first chapter?
How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?

Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate 
files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work 
around.

-bob

Robert Kern
President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
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RE: Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Combs, Richard]

Robert Kern wrote: 

> I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple 
> chapters but is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to 
> keep it as a single file, but am uncertain how to apply 
> chapter-like chapter/figure/table numbering and page 
> numbering if things are in a single file.

Forget it. You could work around the pgf numbering issues (figures,
etc.), but there's no reasonable workaround for page numbering. A single
file will have pages numbered consecutively throughout. There's no way
to stop and restart page numbering, much less change the numbering
format. 

You're trying to work against one of FM's greatest strengths and the way
it's intended to be used. Doesn't your book need at least a table of
contents? 

There are no advantages and many disadvantages to having the entire book
in one file. That's true regardless of the book size. And 180 pages
isn't that small; I maintain several manuals that are under 100 pages,
and each is an FM book containing at least 6 or 8 files. 

Separate each chapter into its own file. Create a book file and put all
the chapters into it. Add a title page file, the appropriate generated
list files (TOC, LOF, etc.), preface, etc. Manage the numbering using
the book numbering tools (chapnum variable, file-by-file page numbering
settings, etc.). Life will be a lot simpler. 

Or, if you really want just one file -- use Word. ;-) 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Ridder, Fred]

No slick trick that I'm aware of, Bob.

If you need to change numbering format (roman vs. arabic vs. alpha), 
you need to have a file break at that point.

If you're using the $chapnum (and/or $volnum) system variable,
you must have a file break wherever that number needs to increment.

You can get around the second problem by redoing your numbering 
scheme to implement chapter numbering with a regular paragraph 
numbering counter (as we all had to do in pre-6.0 versions of 
FrameMaker).  But there's no workaround I can think of for the first 
issue.  

In our group, *every* FrameMaker book is built the same way from
a similar set of component files regardless of length.  Our books 
range from ~40 pages up to more than 600, but they are all assembled
the same way so that anybody who works with the book will be able 
to understand how the numbering is supposed to work when it comes 
time to publish.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Staff Information Services Analyst
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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Subject: Numbering question on short books that are single files

All,

I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but

is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file,

but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table 
numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.

How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter

and enter the first chapter?
How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?

Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate 
files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work 
around.

-bob

Robert Kern
President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
919-933-2629 phone and fax


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Re: Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Art Campbell]

As you point out, "the only good answer is to break the book into
separate chapters."

If you don't want to take an hour or so to do that, you could probably
spend a day or so kludging work-arounds to solve the problems you want
to solve. For instance, you could substitute a hand-crafted numbering
system that would function kind of like the built-in chapter and page
numbering markers (one tag/marker set for arabic; one for roman).

I think it'd be easier to take the time to do it right the first time,
rather than to spend more time later to fix the problems.

My $ .02.

Art


On 12/16/05, Robert Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but
> is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file,
> but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table
> numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.
>
> How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter
> and enter the first chapter?
> How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?
>
> Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate
> files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work
> around.
>
> -bob
>


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Re: Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Steve Rickaby]

At 12:55 pm -0500 16/12/05, Robert Kern wrote:
>I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but is 
>currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file, but am 
>uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table numbering and page 
>numbering if things are in a single file.
>
>How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter and 
>enter the first chapter?
>How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?
>
>Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate files, but 
>hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work around.

Robert - I think $chapnum is misleading you here. Afaik, this is only 
incremented at the book level. For single file, use the multiple field counter 
scheme that Roger Shuttleworth described for your 'chapters' and numbered 
paragraphs. Although it's more complex, there are few limits to what you can 
achieve with it. Just define the first counter field to be your 'chapter' 
number, and assign other counter fields as required for your other numbered 
objects.

Page numbering will just flow through your file. However, you will have force 
blank pages when a 'chapter' ends on a recto page. I can't think of a way of 
changing from Roman to Arabic page numbers within a single file though: others 
might be cleverer. Someone has probably been through this hoop before.

You are right, though: you'd make you life easier by unbundling the chapters 
into a book.
-- 
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Numbering question on short books that are single files

[Robert Kern]

All,

I have a very short book (about 180 pages) that is multiple chapters but 
is currently a single Frame file.  I'd like to keep it as a single file, 
but am uncertain how to apply chapter-like chapter/figure/table 
numbering and page numbering if things are in a single file.


How would I go from roman to arabic numbering as I leave the from matter 
and enter the first chapter?

How would I increment the chapnum value at the start of each chapter?

Probably the only good answer is to break the book un into separate 
files, but hoping there might be a slick use of markers as an easy work 
around.


-bob

Robert Kern
President, TIPS Technical Publishing, Inc.
108 E. Main Street, Suite 4
Carrboro, NC  27510
www.technicalpublishing.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
919-933-2629 phone and fax


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