RE: Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph Lorenzini wrote:
 
 I am using the Find Character Format Override option in the find
 dialog box. I am constantly getting a hit on the paragraph where a text
 inset is inserted. If the paragraph is Body, then it does not find an
 override. If however the paragraph format is anchor, then it does find
 an override. I am at a loss as to why one paragraph format causes a
 character format override to be found while the other does not. I
 have verified that the text inset does NOT contain a character format
 override.

Just noticed this query. FM has a long-standing bug where, if a text inset sits 
adjacent to the pilcrow (end of pgf mark) in the pgf into which it was 
inserted, the pgf containing the text inset takes on the formatting of the 
first pgf in the text inset. My guess is that what you're seeing is related. 
That's based on my other guess, that the text inset source begins with a Body 
pgf, so the issue doesn't manifest if it's inserted into a Body pgf. 

For the pgf-reformatting problem, the long-standing workaround was to put 
something between the text inset and the end of its container pgf. I always 
used a non-breaking space so it would be easy to see/find/verify, but anything 
will do. Try that, update all the text insets, and see if it takes care of the 
problem. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10

[Combs, Richard]

Joseph Lorenzini wrote:

> I am using the "Find Character Format Override" option in the find
> dialog box. I am constantly getting a hit on the paragraph where a text
> inset is inserted. If the paragraph is "Body", then it does not find an
> override. If however the paragraph format is anchor, then it does find
> an override. I am at a loss as to why one paragraph format causes a
> "character format override" to be found while the other does not. I
> have verified that the text inset does NOT contain a character format
> override.

Just noticed this query. FM has a long-standing bug where, if a text inset sits 
adjacent to the pilcrow (end of pgf mark) in the pgf into which it was 
inserted, the pgf containing the text inset takes on the formatting of the 
first pgf in the text inset. My guess is that what you're seeing is related. 
That's based on my other guess, that the text inset source begins with a Body 
pgf, so the issue doesn't manifest if it's inserted into a Body pgf. 

For the pgf-reformatting problem, the long-standing workaround was to put 
something between the text inset and the end of its container pgf. I always 
used a non-breaking space so it would be easy to see/find/verify, but anything 
will do. Try that, update all the text insets, and see if it takes care of the 
problem. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Re: Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10

[Bernard Gagne]

Hi Joseph,
Do you use Conditional Text?
The last time I checked (and the main reason I stopped using conditional text 
at my last company) Frame creates a character format override for every line of 
a praragraph that is conditionalized. It was a major pain for us, especially 
with multiple languages. We found it easier to nuke the conditions.
 
Bernard Gagne
Lead Technical Writer
Thinkpath Engineering



From: Joseph Lorenzini jalo...@gmail.com
To: FrameMaker Forum framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:51:10 PM
Subject: Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10


Hi all,

I am using the Find Character Format Override option in the find dialog box. 
I am constantly getting a hit on the paragraph where a text inset is inserted. 
If the paragraph is Body, then it does not find an override. If however the 
paragraph format is anchor, then it does find an override. I am at a loss as to 
why one paragraph format causes a character format override to be found while 
the other does not. I have verified that the text inset does NOT contain a 
character format override. 

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Joseph Lorenzini

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Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10

[Bernard Gagne]

Hi Joseph,
Do you use Conditional Text?
The last time I checked (and the main reason I stopped using conditional text 
at my last company) Frame creates a character format override for every line of 
a praragraph that is conditionalized. It was a major pain for us, especially 
with multiple languages. We found it easier to nuke the conditions.
?
Bernard Gagne
Lead Technical Writer
Thinkpath Engineering



From: Joseph Lorenzini <jalo...@gmail.com>
To: FrameMaker Forum  
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:51:10 PM
Subject: Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10


Hi all,

I am using the "Find Character Format Override" option in the find dialog box. 
I am constantly getting a hit on the paragraph where a text inset is inserted. 
If the paragraph is "Body", then it does not find an override. If however the 
paragraph format is anchor, then it does find an override. I am at a loss as to 
why one paragraph format causes a "character format override" to be found while 
the other does not. I have verified that the text inset does NOT contain a 
character format override. 

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Joseph Lorenzini

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Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10

[Joseph Lorenzini]

Hi all,

I am using the Find Character Format Override option in the find dialog
box. I am constantly getting a hit on the paragraph where a text inset is
inserted. If the paragraph is Body, then it does not find an override. If
however the paragraph format is anchor, then it does find an override. I am
at a loss as to why one paragraph format causes a character format
override to be found while the other does not. I have verified that the
text inset does NOT contain a character format override.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Joseph Lorenzini
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Phantom character format override in FrameMaker 10

[Joseph Lorenzini]

Hi all,

I am using the "Find Character Format Override" option in the find dialog
box. I am constantly getting a hit on the paragraph where a text inset is
inserted. If the paragraph is "Body", then it does not find an override. If
however the paragraph format is anchor, then it does find an override. I am
at a loss as to why one paragraph format causes a "character format
override" to be found while the other does not. I have verified that the
text inset does NOT contain a character format override.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Joseph Lorenzini
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