Re: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand 
Loosely connected to this:

Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were  
supported by which FrameMaker versions?

 From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator  
CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need  
some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator version.

Thanks,

- Michael


Am 04.06.2008 um 17:18 schrieb Dov Isaacs:

 .EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
 TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
 Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
 PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and  
 edit
 the EPS files saved from Illustrator.

 If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe  
 Illustrator,
 check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
 as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the  
 cause
 of your problems!

--
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http://cap-studio.de/ -- Tel. +49 (9131) 28747



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Re: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Paul Findon 
On 5 Jun 2008, at 08:38, Michael Müller-Hillebrand wrote:

 Loosely connected to this:

 Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
 supported by which FrameMaker versions?

  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
 CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
 some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator version.

Hi Michael,

I don't think it makes a lot of difference, although I'm prepared to  
be enlightened :-) Certainly something I've never come across, and we  
use EPS files saved as Illustrator EPS versions 8.0, 9.0, 10, and  
CS2. I just knocked up a quick graphic and saved it as EPS CS2 and it  
imports OK into Mac FrameMaker 6.0.

As long as the EPS file has the following header, FrameMaker will  
import it.

%!PS-Adobe-3.1 EPSF-3.0

Why do we use Illustrator 8.0 files? Well, the following quick  
translation from DTP  Insatsu Super Encyclopaedia 2008, a yearly  
Japanese DTP publication, may shed some light.

Even though several years have past since Mac OS 9 was discontinued,  
and Macs that run the Classic Environment are no longer on sale, many  
users are still using using Mac OS 9, Illustrator 8, and QuarkXPress  
3.3 for DTP. The reason is that if a printer, designer, DTP operator,  
output bureau, printer, etc., changes their own system, they'll  
become incompatible with everyone else in the publishing chain. This  
is a big difference with Web designers who generally don't have to  
rely on others in their work.

Paul
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Re: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
Sorry, and thanks for pointing that out, Dov. I did not read the thread through.
I am relieved. :-)

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bodvar,

 You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
 a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
 language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
 language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
 as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
 Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
 longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
 documents.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Cc: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM

 Hi Dov,

 This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
 EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
 Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
 (see message thread FM Crash chapter 4 page 5)?

 Regards,

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
  TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
  Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
  PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and edit
  the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
 
  If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
  check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
  as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
  of your problems!
 
 - Dov




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RE: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Tim Lewis 
I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document. 

From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients. 

Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
using in my FrameMaker documents? 

Tim Lewis
Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 -Original Message-
 From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
 To: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
 
 What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
 referencing
 in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
 are in
 effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
 about
 the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
 inside
 a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
 importing;
 that's what really happens.
 
 Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
 with
 PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
 directly
 from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
 course,
 if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
 solution
 in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
 found,
 Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
 level 2
 constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
 
 Here are your alternatives:
 
 (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
 Reader
 instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
 something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
 to
 see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
 wasted printing).
 
 (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
 import
 those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
 gradients,
 but otherwise you should be OK.
 
 (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
 PDF
 to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
 that
 to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
 thought
 that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
 
 (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
 you
 currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
 
 Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
 
 - Dov
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Re: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Paul Findon 
On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:

 Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
 one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
 doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
 versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
 file!

NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I  
remember doing it. How did that work?

Paul
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RE: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Dov Isaacs 
Back when, the .AI file had most of the .EPS PostScript text built in
but omitted a standard header that FrameMaker understood. Remember that
NeXT had Display PostScript as its graphical underpinning (that dates
both of us!).

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Findon
 Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:41 AM
 To: FrameUsers List
 Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM

 On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:

  Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
  one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
  doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
  versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
  file!

 NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I
 remember doing it. How did that work?

 Paul
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Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand 
Loosely connected to this:

Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were  
supported by which FrameMaker versions?

 From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator  
CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need  
some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .

Thanks,

- Michael


Am 04.06.2008 um 17:18 schrieb Dov Isaacs:

> .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and  
> "edit"
> the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>
> If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe  
> Illustrator,
> check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the  
> cause
> of your problems!

--
___
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Adobe Certified Expert, FrameMaker
L?sungen und Training, FrameScript, XML/XSL, Unicode
 -- Tel. +49 (9131) 28747

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Paul Findon 
On 5 Jun 2008, at 08:38, Michael M?ller-Hillebrand wrote:

> Loosely connected to this:
>
> Is there a list available which Illustrator versions/levels were
> supported by which FrameMaker versions?
>
>  From time to time I am confronted with people having Illustrator
> CS2/3 but still use FrameMaker 7.0 (or 6.0, like Apple). So they need
> some advice to save EPS files as Illustrator .

Hi Michael,

I don't think it makes a lot of difference, although I'm prepared to  
be enlightened :-) Certainly something I've never come across, and we  
use EPS files saved as Illustrator EPS versions 8.0, 9.0, 10, and  
CS2. I just knocked up a quick graphic and saved it as EPS CS2 and it  
imports OK into Mac FrameMaker 6.0.

As long as the EPS file has the following header, FrameMaker will  
import it.

"%!PS-Adobe-3.1 EPSF-3.0"

Why do we use Illustrator 8.0 files? Well, the following quick  
translation from "DTP & Insatsu Super Encyclopaedia 2008," a yearly  
Japanese DTP publication, may shed some light.

"Even though several years have past since Mac OS 9 was discontinued,  
and Macs that run the Classic Environment are no longer on sale, many  
users are still using using Mac OS 9, Illustrator 8, and QuarkXPress  
3.3 for DTP. The reason is that if a printer, designer, DTP operator,  
output bureau, printer, etc., changes their own system, they'll  
become incompatible with everyone else in the publishing chain. This  
is a big difference with Web designers who generally don't have to  
rely on others in their work."

Paul

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
Sorry, and thanks for pointing that out, Dov. I did not read the thread through.
I am relieved. :-)

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> Bodvar,
>
> You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
> a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
> language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
> language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
> as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
> Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
> longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
> documents.
>
>- Dov
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
>> To: Dov Isaacs
>> Cc: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>>
>> Hi Dov,
>>
>> This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
>> EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
>> Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
>> (see message thread "FM Crash chapter 4 page 5")?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bodvar
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
>> > .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
>> > TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
>> > Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
>> > PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
>> > the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>> >
>> > If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
>> > check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
>> > as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
>> > of your problems!
>> >
>> >- Dov
>



-- 
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 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Paul Findon 
On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
> one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
> doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
> versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
> file!

NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I  
remember doing it. How did that work?

Paul

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-05 Thread Dov Isaacs 
Back when, the .AI file had most of the .EPS PostScript text built in
but omitted a standard header that FrameMaker understood. Remember that
NeXT had Display PostScript as its graphical underpinning (that dates
both of us!).

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>
> On 5 Jun 2008, at 17:25, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > Let's try this again. FrameMaker does NOT, repeat does NOT, repeat
> > one more time does NOT support the native Adobe Illustrator format;
> > doesn't now, never did! It does support EPS and PDF saved from all
> > versions of Adobe Illustrator including PDF saved as part of a .AI
> > file!
>
> NeXT FrameMaker used to import native AI files back in the day. I
> remember doing it. How did that work?
>
> Paul

RE: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-04 Thread Dov Isaacs 
.EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and edit
the EPS files saved from Illustrator.

If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
of your problems!

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM

 I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
 printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
 to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.

 From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
 making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
 get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
 printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.

 Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
 I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
 and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
 I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
 give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
 using in my FrameMaker documents?

 Tim Lewis
 Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
  From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
  To: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
 
  What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
  referencing
  in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
  are in
  effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
  about
  the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
  inside
  a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
  importing;
  that's what really happens.
 
  Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
  with
  PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
  directly
  from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
  course,
  if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
  solution
  in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
  found,
  Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
  level 2
  constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
 
  Here are your alternatives:
 
  (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
  Reader
  instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
  something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
  to
  see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
  wasted printing).
 
  (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
  import
  those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
  gradients,
  but otherwise you should be OK.
 
  (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
  PDF
  to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
  that
  to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
  thought
  that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
 
  (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
  you
  currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
 
  Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
 
  - Dov
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Re: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-04 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
Hi Dov,

This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
(see message thread FM Crash chapter 4 page 5)?

Regards,

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 .EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
 TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
 Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
 PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and edit
 the EPS files saved from Illustrator.

 If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
 check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
 as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
 of your problems!

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Lewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM

 I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
 printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
 to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.

 From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
 making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
 get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
 printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.

 Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
 I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
 and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
 I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
 give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
 using in my FrameMaker documents?

 Tim Lewis
 Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
  From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
  To: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
 
  What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
  referencing
  in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
  are in
  effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
  about
  the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
  inside
  a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
  importing;
  that's what really happens.
 
  Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
  with
  PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
  directly
  from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
  course,
  if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
  solution
  in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
  found,
  Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
  level 2
  constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
 
  Here are your alternatives:
 
  (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
  Reader
  instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
  something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
  to
  see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
  wasted printing).
 
  (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
  import
  those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
  gradients,
  but otherwise you should be OK.
 
  (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
  PDF
  to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
  that
  to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
  thought
  that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
 
  (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
  you
  currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
 
  Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
 
  - Dov
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RE: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-04 Thread Dov Isaacs 
Bodvar,

You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
documents.

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
 To: Dov Isaacs
 Cc: Tim Lewis; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM

 Hi Dov,

 This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
 EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
 Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
 (see message thread FM Crash chapter 4 page 5)?

 Regards,

 Bodvar

 On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .EPS files are Encapsulated PostScript containing a low resolution
  TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
  Illustrator, certain private data is stored in comments in the
  PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly reopen and edit
  the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
 
  If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
  check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
  as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
  of your problems!
 
 - Dov
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Printing Error with FM

2008-06-04 Thread Dov Isaacs 
.EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
the EPS files saved from Illustrator.

If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
of your problems!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Lewis [mailto:ltc.writer at comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM
>
> I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
> printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
> to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.
>
> From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
> making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
> get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
> printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.
>
> Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
> I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
> and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
> I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
> give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
> using in my FrameMaker documents?
>
> Tim Lewis
> Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
> ltc.writer at comcast.net
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
> > To: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
> >
> > What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
> > referencing
> > in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
> > are in
> > effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
> > about
> > the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
> > inside
> > a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
> > importing;
> > that's what really happens.
> >
> > Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
> > with
> > PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
> > directly
> > from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
> > course,
> > if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
> > solution
> > in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
> > found,
> > Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
> > level 2
> > constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
> >
> > Here are your alternatives:
> >
> > (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
> > Reader
> > instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
> > something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
> > to
> > see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
> > wasted printing).
> >
> > (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
> > import
> > those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
> > gradients,
> > but otherwise you should be OK.
> >
> > (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
> > PDF
> > to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
> > that
> > to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
> > thought
> > that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
> >
> > (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
> > you
> > currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
> >
> > Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
> >
> > - Dov
> 
>

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-04 Thread Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 
Hi Dov,

This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
(see message thread "FM Crash chapter 4 page 5")?

Regards,

Bodvar

On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
> the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
>
> If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
> check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
> of your problems!
>
>- Dov
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Tim Lewis [mailto:ltc.writer at comcast.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 8:14 AM
>>
>> I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
>> printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
>> to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document.
>>
>> From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
>> making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
>> get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
>> printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients.
>>
>> Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
>> I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
>> and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
>> I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
>> give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
>> using in my FrameMaker documents?
>>
>> Tim Lewis
>> Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
>> ltc.writer at comcast.net
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
>> > To: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>> > Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
>> >
>> > What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
>> > referencing
>> > in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
>> > are in
>> > effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
>> > about
>> > the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
>> > inside
>> > a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
>> > importing;
>> > that's what really happens.
>> >
>> > Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
>> > with
>> > PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
>> > directly
>> > from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
>> > course,
>> > if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
>> > solution
>> > in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
>> > found,
>> > Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
>> > level 2
>> > constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
>> >
>> > Here are your alternatives:
>> >
>> > (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
>> > Reader
>> > instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
>> > something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
>> > to
>> > see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
>> > wasted printing).
>> >
>> > (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
>> > import
>> > those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
>> > gradients,
>> > but otherwise you should be OK.
>> >
>> > (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
>> > PDF
>> > to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
>> > that
>> > to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
>> > thought
>> > that the defau

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-04 Thread Dov Isaacs 
Bodvar,

You must read my response in CONTEXT to the thread. The OP wanted
a solution to printing directly from FrameMaker to a PostScript
language level 2 printer. In that case, EPS must be no more than
language level 2. That being said, my original response recommended
as the best solution to simply create PDF and print from Reader or
Acrobat. With that solution PostScript language level 3 EPS is no
longer a problem and should be what you import into FrameMaker
documents.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:16 AM
> To: Dov Isaacs
> Cc: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Printing Error with FM
>
> Hi Dov,
>
> This is new to me, as it has been stressed on many occations that the
> EPS should be saved as PS language level 3. Almost all my EPSs are.
> Could this be the thing that is causing me all the trouble these days
> (see message thread "FM Crash chapter 4 page 5")?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bodvar
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:18 PM, Dov Isaacs  wrote:
> > .EPS files are "Encapsulated PostScript" containing a low resolution
> > TIFF header and PostScript text. In the case of EPS saved from
> > Illustrator, certain "private data" is stored in comments in the
> > PostScript text from which Illustrator can properly "reopen" and "edit"
> > the EPS files saved from Illustrator.
> >
> > If you are having problems with EPS files saved from Adobe Illustrator,
> > check and make sure you are saving them as PostScript language level 2
> > as opposed to PostScript language level 3. That is most likely the cause
> > of your problems!
> >
> >- Dov

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-04 Thread Tim Lewis 
I have been referencing .eps files into the FM file. The reason I had been
printing directly from the FrameMaker document was because it is easy for me
to proofread a hard copy (a whole another issue) as I work on a document. 

>From the excellent suggestions I've received, it looks like I should be
making a PDF and then print from that. However, it takes twice as long to
get a copy that I can proofread. Obviously, the finished document can be
printed from the PDF and that is what I always deliver to my clients. 

Dov mentions the .AI format. I've always saved as .EPS because that is what
I was told to do several years ago. Most of my illustrations are line art
and some .BMP files that I added callouts or edited in Illustrator. Frankly,
I do not know the difference between .AI and .EPS. The online Help does not
give me enough information. So, what is the difference and what should I be
using in my FrameMaker documents? 

Tim Lewis
Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
ltc.writer at comcast.net

> -Original Message-
> From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isaacs at adobe.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:52 AM
> To: Tim Lewis; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Printing Error with FM
> 
> What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are
> referencing
> in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you
> are in
> effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing
> about
> the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF
> inside
> a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when
> importing;
> that's what really happens.
> 
> Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file
> with
> PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed
> directly
> from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of
> course,
> if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better
> solution
> in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you
> found,
> Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language
> level 2
> constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.
> 
> Here are your alternatives:
> 
> (1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or
> Reader
> instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
> something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get
> to
> see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
> wasted printing).
> 
> (2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and
> import
> those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as
> gradients,
> but otherwise you should be OK.
> 
> (3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of
> PDF
> to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change
> that
> to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I
> thought
> that the default for that was 2, not 3!)
> 
> (4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer
> you
> currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!
> 
> Personally, I'd go with solution (1).
> 
> - Dov

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-03 Thread Tim Lewis 
I had been printing my FM 7.1 and 8.0 files with referenced Illustrator CS2
art on my aging PS printer (Postscript 2). I installed Adobe CS3 over the
weekend and created new illustrations in Illustrator CS3. These new
illustrations are referenced into my FM document, as in the past. However,
they will not print on my printer. The error says, ERROR: undefined,
OFFENDING COMMAND: get. A list of STACK is included with the error. 

 

I can print the illustration directly from Illustrator and I can make a PDF
from the FM file and then print the PDF with no problem. I tried saving the
art as CS2 and CS. I also set the Postscript to 2. Nothing works so far.

 

I called Adobe support and was told that the new Illustrator CS3 uses PS 3
and something in FM does not interpret something. Before I head out to buy a
newer printer, does anyone have a suggestion to make the CS3 art print from
the FM document (without making a PDF first)?

 

Tim Lewis

Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.

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RE: Printing Error with FM

2008-06-03 Thread Dov Isaacs 
What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are referencing
in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you are in
effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing about
the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF inside
a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when importing;
that's what really happens.

Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file with
PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed directly
from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of course,
if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better solution
in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you found,
Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language level 2
constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.

Here are your alternatives:

(1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or Reader
instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get to
see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
wasted printing).

(2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and import
those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as gradients,
but otherwise you should be OK.

(3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of PDF
to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change that
to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I thought
that the default for that was 2, not 3!)

(4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer you
currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!

Personally, I'd go with solution (1).

- Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Tim Lewis
 Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:38 PM

 I had been printing my FM 7.1 and 8.0 files with referenced Illustrator CS2
 art on my aging PS printer (Postscript 2). I installed Adobe CS3 over the
 weekend and created new illustrations in Illustrator CS3. These new
 illustrations are referenced into my FM document, as in the past. However,
 they will not print on my printer. The error says, ERROR: undefined,
 OFFENDING COMMAND: get. A list of STACK is included with the error.

 I can print the illustration directly from Illustrator and I can make a PDF
 from the FM file and then print the PDF with no problem. I tried saving the
 art as CS2 and CS. I also set the Postscript to 2. Nothing works so far.

 I called Adobe support and was told that the new Illustrator CS3 uses PS 3
 and something in FM does not interpret something. Before I head out to buy a
 newer printer, does anyone have a suggestion to make the CS3 art print from
 the FM document (without making a PDF first)?

 Tim Lewis

 Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.

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Printing Error with FM

2008-06-03 Thread Tim Lewis 
I had been printing my FM 7.1 and 8.0 files with referenced Illustrator CS2
art on my aging PS printer (Postscript 2). I installed Adobe CS3 over the
weekend and created new illustrations in Illustrator CS3. These new
illustrations are referenced into my FM document, as in the past. However,
they will not print on my printer. The error says, "ERROR: undefined,
OFFENDING COMMAND: get." A list of STACK is included with the error. 



I can print the illustration directly from Illustrator and I can make a PDF
from the FM file and then print the PDF with no problem. I tried saving the
art as CS2 and CS. I also set the Postscript to 2. Nothing works so far.



I called Adobe support and was told that the new Illustrator CS3 uses PS 3
and something in FM does not interpret something. Before I head out to buy a
newer printer, does anyone have a suggestion to make the CS3 art print from
the FM document (without making a PDF first)?



Tim Lewis

Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.

  ltc.writer at comcast.net

Printing Error with FM

2008-06-03 Thread Dov Isaacs 
What is not clear from your description is exactly WHAT you are referencing
in your FrameMaker documents. If you are referencing a .AI file, you are in
effect referencing a PDF 1.3 file; FrameMaker really knows nothing about
the Illustrator document format but rather is able to convert the PDF inside
a .AI file saved with the PDF compatibility option to EPS when importing;
that's what really happens.

Thus, what probably happened was the equivalent of placing an EPS file with
PostScript 3 constructs into your FramMaker document. When you printed directly
from FrameMaker, the PostScript 3 is what choked your printer. Of course,
if you created PDF and printed from that (by the way, a much better solution
in general than EVER printing directly from FrameMaker), as you found,
Acrobat (or Reader) has the smarts to downgrade to PostScript language level 2
constructs as necessary for your PostScript Level 2 device.

Here are your alternatives:

(1) Continue what you are doing and always print from Acrobat or Reader
instead of FrameMaker (not a bad choice in the general case -- this is
something I personally do with most all applications these days! I get to
see on-screen what I will print and do some cursory pre-flight to avoid
wasted printing).

(2) Save your Illustrator documents as EPS language level 2 and import
those into FrameMaker instead. This will pessimize things such as gradients,
but otherwise you should be OK.

(3) There is a maker.ini setting for controlling the conversion of PDF
to EPS (I don't have a reference with me for the exact setting). Change that
to indicate PostScript language level 2 instead of 3 (ironically, I thought
that the default for that was 2, not 3!)

(4) Go out and buy a new printer. If you are happy with the printer you
currently have, this is the most ridiculous solution!

Personally, I'd go with solution (1).

- Dov


> -Original Message-
> From: Tim Lewis
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:38 PM
>
> I had been printing my FM 7.1 and 8.0 files with referenced Illustrator CS2
> art on my aging PS printer (Postscript 2). I installed Adobe CS3 over the
> weekend and created new illustrations in Illustrator CS3. These new
> illustrations are referenced into my FM document, as in the past. However,
> they will not print on my printer. The error says, "ERROR: undefined,
> OFFENDING COMMAND: get." A list of STACK is included with the error.
>
> I can print the illustration directly from Illustrator and I can make a PDF
> from the FM file and then print the PDF with no problem. I tried saving the
> art as CS2 and CS. I also set the Postscript to 2. Nothing works so far.
>
> I called Adobe support and was told that the new Illustrator CS3 uses PS 3
> and something in FM does not interpret something. Before I head out to buy a
> newer printer, does anyone have a suggestion to make the CS3 art print from
> the FM document (without making a PDF first)?
>
> Tim Lewis
>
> Lewis Technical Communications, Inc.
>
>   ltc.writer at comcast.net