RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

In this day and age, is Internet "bandwidth" use for text e-mails really an 
issue? :)

Plus, are you saying that you know/believe that FrameMaker is not going to be 
released as a cloud-based license model soon? Love to hear the news.

And, in my opinion, btw, my discussion (feel free to call it whining perhaps? 
:)) on license cost/models of FrameMaker is fair game for this mailing list ...

Z

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Subject: Re: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

...and please stop taking up bandwidth about an issue that has not been 
announced as an issue by the TCS team!

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On Jul 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Robert Lauriston 
mailto:rob...@lauriston.com>> wrote:


So if you don't like the new licensing model, don't upgrade. I can't
imagine much useful that Adobe's going to add to those apps that they
don't do already.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>) 
mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>> wrote:

Ummm ... I believe that his point was that, in time, the file format used by 
the "ever-improving" versions of CC would become unreadable in the existing, 
"no longer upgraded" version of CS6. It is a highly likely possibility.
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RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

As has been stated before, we obviously think differently. My perspective is 
that new versions of software generally do have bug fixes, code improvements, 
etc., and in general run better, faster, with new features, etc. So, I *prefer* 
to upgrade when new versions are released - although this proved to be a waste, 
IMHO, from FM 9 to FM 10 to FM 11 - these should all have been mostly bug-fix 
releases as far as I am concerned.

However, the SaaS model for all Adobe tools - and FrameMaker is not in the 
current version of CC, fwiw - is too expensive at $600 per year ... for *my* 
needs.

For me, the previous FrameMaker upgrade license model pricing had become 
unworkable (the increase in upgrade cost to $399 was too high to be 
justifiable).

And, yes, as should be obvious, I am not upgrading Adobe tools anymore - simply 
switching to far more cost-effective products from other companies.

YMMV, of course.

Z

Robert Lauriston wrote:
> So if you don't like the new licensing model, don't upgrade. I can't imagine 
> much useful that Adobe's going to add to those apps that they don't do 
> already.


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Re: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

[Matt Sullivan]

…and please stop taking up bandwidth about an issue that has not been announced as an issue by the TCS team! 
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On Jul 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:So if you don't like the new licensing model, don't upgrade. I can'timagine much useful that Adobe's going to add to those apps that theydon't do already.On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain(syed.hos...@aeris.net)  wrote:Ummm ... I believe that his point was that, in time, the file format used by the "ever-improving" versions of CC would become unreadable in the existing, "no longer upgraded" version of CS6. It is a highly likely possibility.___You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___


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Re: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

[Robert Lauriston]

So if you don't like the new licensing model, don't upgrade. I can't
imagine much useful that Adobe's going to add to those apps that they
don't do already.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)  wrote:
> Ummm ... I believe that his point was that, in time, the file format used by 
> the "ever-improving" versions of CC would become unreadable in the existing, 
> "no longer upgraded" version of CS6. It is a highly likely possibility.
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RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Oops, my apologies too. Please ignore my last e-mail too - I responded to it 
before I saw this one from you and from others.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 7:39 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

> If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop 
> using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a 
> perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade 
> path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that your current 
> files will no longer open in the CS6 version, potentially rendering it 
> useless.

I apologize--it was pointed out to me that you were talking about the FILES, 
not the software. Now that I re-read the email, I see that too. If you get too 
many versions beyond the new CC (what ever they will be called), the files 
PROBABLY won't be able to be saved back (unless Adobe builds in a permanent CS6 
save-down).

If you get cancel with current version and need to save back to CS6, you can 
either re-subscribe for a month--or get a gmail address, a new Adobe ID using 
that address, and then use CC for 30 days.

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

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RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Ummm ... I believe that his point was that, in time, the file format used by 
the "ever-improving" versions of CC would become unreadable in the existing, 
"no longer upgraded" version of CS6. It is a highly likely possibility.

This is true for FrameMaker for example ... try reading FM 11 files in FM 7.2 
and you will see what happens.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 3:53 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: OT: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

> If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop 
> using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a 
> perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade 
> path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that your current 
> files will no longer open in the CS6 version, potentially rendering it 
> useless.

Where did you get that info?
If you have CS6 via a perpetual license it will still work even after canceling 
a Cloud subscription.
Naturally, if you have CS6 via a Cloud subscription (like I do), it will stop 
working.

David Creamer
IDEAS Training

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RE: Adobe 'Creative Cloud' (again)

[Combs, Richard]

David Creamer wrote:
 
> > If you already own a perpetual license version, you don't have to stop
> > using it. But if you start out as a renter, you do. And if you own a
> > perpetual license, such as CS6, and then rent CC as your new upgrade
> > path, when you stop paying, there's a good chance that your current
> > files will no longer open in the CS6 version, potentially rendering it
> > useless.
> 
> Where did you get that info?
> If you have CS6 via a perpetual license it will still work even after
> canceling a Cloud subscription.

I think the OP's unstated assumption is that if you go down the subscription 
path, you'll always be on the latest version, and at some point in the future, 
files created or saved in that version will no longer be compatible with the 
CS6 version. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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