RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames
This is just to let you know, that the mentioned issue has been fixed in FrameMaker 11. Thanks! Harsh FrameMaker Engineering From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Magnus, Thomas C Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2012 5:17 AM To: joseph.car...@vsea.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames Joe, That does look like a bug (I am able to reproduce). Suggested workaround: use a Text Frame (button to left of A), instead of a text line. Tom From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of joseph.car...@vsea.commailto:joseph.car...@vsea.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 7:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames Greetings Experts, Frame 10.0.2.419 Windows 7 XP Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the first character when the doc is saved. Actions: 1) Create anchored frame 2) Import a graphic or two 3) Label the graphic Graphics Tools Click the A Position cursor Type some text Hit Enter key Type another line Save doc First character vaporizes from another line Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. Saving the doc. triggers the action. If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose that first character when the doc. is saved. This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable. Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature? Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest. Best Regards Joe Carver -- Joseph R. Carver Technical Writer | Varian Semiconductor Equipment | Silicon Systems Group | Applied Materials The content of this message is Applied Materials Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, any use or distribution is prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message from your computer system. Thank you. P Save paper and trees. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames
Joe, That does look like a bug (I am able to reproduce). Suggested workaround: use a Text Frame (button to left of A), instead of a text line. Tom From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of joseph.car...@vsea.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 7:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames Greetings Experts, Frame 10.0.2.419 Windows 7 XP Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the first character when the doc is saved. Actions: 1) Create anchored frame 2) Import a graphic or two 3) Label the graphic Graphics Tools Click the A Position cursor Type some text Hit Enter key Type another line Save doc First character vaporizes from another line Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. Saving the doc. triggers the action. If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose that first character when the doc. is saved. This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable. Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature? Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest. Best Regards Joe Carver -- Joseph R. Carver Technical Writer | Varian Semiconductor Equipment | Silicon Systems Group | Applied Materials The content of this message is Applied Materials Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, any use or distribution is prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message from your computer system. Thank you. P Save paper and trees. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames
Hi Joe, Pretty bizarre, but I just verified the behavior with my copy of FrameMaker 10. For what it's worth, it doesn't happen in the last beta version of FrameMaker 11. Note, however, that doing multi-line callouts this way is not really the best approach. When you press the Enter key, you are actually creating a separate Text Line object for each subsequent line. This can cause maintenance headaches later if you want to edit the callouts or change their formatting characteristics. You are better off using a Text Frame so that you can apply a paragraph format to the callouts. This will allow you to easily control all of the formatting for the callouts. There is one thing to be aware of when adding Text Frame callouts to anchored frames where the callouts will be on top of an imported graphic: make sure you select the imported image, right-click, and choose Runaround Properties. In the resulting dialog box, choose Don't Run Around and click Set. Otherwise, you may find your callouts overflowing their Text Frames. In my opinion, this should be the default setting for imported images, but for some reason it is not. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of joseph.car...@vsea.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames Greetings Experts, Frame 10.0.2.419 Windows 7 XP Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the first character when the doc is saved. Actions: 1) Create anchored frame 2) Import a graphic or two 3) Label the graphic Graphics Tools Click the A Position cursor Type some text Hit Enter key Type another line Save doc First character vaporizes from another line Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. Saving the doc. triggers the action. If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose that first character when the doc. is saved. This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable. Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature? Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest. Best Regards Joe Carver -- Joseph R. Carver Technical Writer | Varian Semiconductor Equipment | Silicon Systems Group | Applied Materials The content of this message is Applied Materials Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, any use or distribution is prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message from your computer system. Thank you. P Save paper and trees. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames
joseph.car...@vsea.com wrote: Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the first character when the doc is saved. Actions: 1) Create anchored frame 2) Import a graphic or two 3) Label the graphic Graphics Tools Click the A Position cursor Type some text Hit Enter key Type another line Save doc First character vaporizes from another line Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. Saving the doc. triggers the action. If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose that first character when the doc. is saved. This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable. Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature? That certainly sounds like a bug. But the solution is simple enough, and best practice in any case: For multiple lines of text, don't use the Text Line tool. Instead, insert a Text Frame (the icon to the left of the A in the Tools Palette) and enter your text in that. This has several advantages, including the ability to apply a paragraph format and to treat the entire block of text as a single object. A Text Line is basically a graphic object, and when you press Enter, you're actually creating a second, completely separate Text Line object. It moves independently of the first, is formatted independently, and is in no way connected to the first. A Text Frame containing one or more paragraphs is much easier to manage than multiple Text Lines. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames
If I had scrolled down, I'd have seen that Rick beat me to it. And remembered the runaround issue, which I forgot. Oh, well, at least now you know at least two people have the same advice. :) From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 6:02 PM To: joseph.car...@vsea.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames Hi Joe, Pretty bizarre, but I just verified the behavior with my copy of FrameMaker 10. For what it's worth, it doesn't happen in the last beta version of FrameMaker 11. Note, however, that doing multi-line callouts this way is not really the best approach. When you press the Enter key, you are actually creating a separate Text Line object for each subsequent line. This can cause maintenance headaches later if you want to edit the callouts or change their formatting characteristics. You are better off using a Text Frame so that you can apply a paragraph format to the callouts. This will allow you to easily control all of the formatting for the callouts. There is one thing to be aware of when adding Text Frame callouts to anchored frames where the callouts will be on top of an imported graphic: make sure you select the imported image, right-click, and choose Runaround Properties. In the resulting dialog box, choose Don't Run Around and click Set. Otherwise, you may find your callouts overflowing their Text Frames. In my opinion, this should be the default setting for imported images, but for some reason it is not. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of joseph.car...@vsea.commailto:joseph.car...@vsea.com Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:19 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames Greetings Experts, Frame 10.0.2.419 Windows 7 XP Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the first character when the doc is saved. Actions: 1) Create anchored frame 2) Import a graphic or two 3) Label the graphic Graphics Tools Click the A Position cursor Type some text Hit Enter key Type another line Save doc First character vaporizes from another line Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. Saving the doc. triggers the action. If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose that first character when the doc. is saved. This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable. Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature? Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest. Best Regards Joe Carver -- Joseph R. Carver Technical Writer | Varian Semiconductor Equipment | Silicon Systems Group | Applied Materials The content of this message is Applied Materials Confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, any use or distribution is prohibited. Please notify me immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message from your computer system. Thank you. P Save paper and trees. Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
