RE: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
Yes, the one-way route is easier, as you won't have to hang on to any AT-specific processing commands and your FM read/write rules may be fewer in number. To clarify Diane's situation, there is more there than just AT and FM compatibility. A few of the processes she has to use are for institutional reasons and are not required aspects of AT and FM compatibility. -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training m...@grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell & txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: ecid...@zoominternet.net [mailto:ecid...@zoominternet.net] Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 6:57 AM To: Carole Johnson; Matt Sullivan; ecid...@zoominternet.net; Diane Gaskill Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Thanks to all of you on this. My concern is the AT-to-FM route. It's a one-way trip, not a roundtrip. So maybe the journey won't be as difficultThe manufacturer provides us with their documentation via AT and we do "that thing we do" without having to respect a round trip back to AT... Pressing on Thanks again All the best Eduardo On Thu 07/01/10 00:56 , "Diane Gaskill" dgcal...@earthlink.net sent: > Hi Matt, > > Happy New Year. > > We transfer files from FM to AT and back to FM via XML. The process > requires a common DTD, schema, and EDD, as well as FM and AT templates > thatuse the same XML elements and the same version of DocBook. I > expect thatyou can do it with DITA too. The FM book is validated in > FM8, saved as XML,and then validated in Oxygen with a tool called > Schematron. I'm not sure howthe XML is generated from from AT, but I > believe the process is almost thesame. Note that this processis not > as simple as it sounds. It took severalmonths to get it working. You > also have to coordinate filenames, directorystructures, graphics > formats, etc., so that the files open corectly on bothends. > > Diane Gaskill > Hitachi Data Systems > > = > > -Original Message- > From: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers. > com]On Behalf Of Carole > JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:31 PM > To: Matt Sullivan > Cc: > framers@lists.frameusers.com; ecid > a...@zoominternet.net;framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: RE: > Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker > > > Haven't looked into this for a few years. I will see if I have my > notes,but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet. > Not reallysure at the moment. > > Carole J. Johnson, > > ~~~ > Carole Johnson > Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support > Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 > Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 > > > > > From: > "Matt Sullivan" matt@ > grafixtraining.com>To: > "'Carole Johnson'" C > arole_john...@raytheon.com>,ecid > a...@zoominternet.net>Cc: > > framers@lists.frameusers.com, framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comdate: > 01/06/2010 02:28 PM > Subject: > RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > > > My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD, > thenhandled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach? > > > -Matt > > Matt Sullivan > GRAFIX Training > > matt@ > grafixtraining.comwww.grafixtraining. > comoffice 714 960-6840 > cell & txt 714 585-2335 > sms message > skype: mattrsullivan > twitter: mattrsullivan > > > linkedin > > > facebook > > > > > -Original Message- > From: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers. > com] On Behalf Of Carole > JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM > To: ecid > a...@zoominternet.netcc: > framers@lists.frameusers.com; > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: Re: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker > > Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM. Should > be able to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files) > > Carole J. Johnson, > > ~~~ > Carole Johnson > Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support > Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 > Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 > > > > > From: > ecid > a...@zoominternet.netto: > > framers@lis
Re: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
Thanks to all of you on this. My concern is the AT-to-FM route. It's a one-way trip, not a roundtrip. So maybe the journey won't be as difficultThe manufacturer provides us with their documentation via AT and we do "that thing we do" without having to respect a round trip back to AT... Pressing on Thanks again All the best Eduardo On Thu 07/01/10 00:56 , "Diane Gaskill" dgcal...@earthlink.net sent: > Hi Matt, > > Happy New Year. > > We transfer files from FM to AT and back to FM via XML. The process > requires a common DTD, schema, and EDD, as well as FM and AT templates > thatuse the same XML elements and the same version of DocBook. I expect > thatyou can do it with DITA too. The FM book is validated in FM8, saved as > XML,and then validated in Oxygen with a tool called Schematron. I'm not sure > howthe XML is generated from from AT, but I believe the process is almost > thesame. Note that this processis not as simple as it sounds. It took > severalmonths to get it working. You also have to coordinate filenames, > directorystructures, graphics formats, etc., so that the files open corectly > on > bothends. > > Diane Gaskill > Hitachi Data Systems > > = > > -Original Message- > From: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com]On > Behalf Of Carole > JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:31 PM > To: Matt Sullivan > Cc: > framers@lists.frameusers.com; ecid > a...@zoominternet.net;framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: RE: Epic > Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker > > > Haven't looked into this for a few years. I will see if I have my > notes,but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet. Not > reallysure at the moment. > > Carole J. Johnson, > > ~~~ > Carole Johnson > Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC > System and Product Support Solutions > 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) > San Diego, CA 92123 > Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 > > > > > From: > "Matt Sullivan" matt@ > grafixtraining.com>To: > "'Carole Johnson'" C > arole_john...@raytheon.com>,ecid > a...@zoominternet.net>Cc: > > framers@lists.frameusers.com, framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comdate: > 01/06/2010 02:28 PM > Subject: > RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker > Sent by: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > > > My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD, > thenhandled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach? > > > -Matt > > Matt Sullivan > GRAFIX Training > > matt@ > grafixtraining.comwww.grafixtraining. > comoffice 714 960-6840 > cell & txt 714 585-2335 > sms message > skype: mattrsullivan > twitter: mattrsullivan > > > linkedin > > > facebook > > > > > -Original Message- > From: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com[framers-bounces@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carole > JohnsonSent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM > To: ecid > a...@zoominternet.netcc: > framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.comsubject: > Re: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker > > Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM. Should be > able > to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files) > > Carole J. Johnson, > > ~~~ > Carole Johnson > Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC > System and Product Support Solutions > 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) > San Diego, CA 92123 > Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 > > > > > From: > ecid > a...@zoominternet.netto: > > framers@lists.frameusers.com>Date: > 01/06/2010 02:10 PM > Subject: > Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker > Sent by: > framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > > > Good afternoon Fellow Framers > > First, my setup: WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)... > > My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic > Arbortext. > > I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker. > > Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext > documentation > to Adobe Framemaker. The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've > tried > creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD, > but > to no avail. > > ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here. > > All the best to all of you. > > Eduardo > > > > > _
RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
Hi Matt, Happy New Year. We transfer files from FM to AT and back to FM via XML. The process requires a common DTD, schema, and EDD, as well as FM and AT templates that use the same XML elements and the same version of DocBook. I expect that you can do it with DITA too. The FM book is validated in FM8, saved as XML, and then validated in Oxygen with a tool called Schematron. I'm not sure how the XML is generated from from AT, but I believe the process is almost the same. Note that this processis not as simple as it sounds. It took several months to get it working. You also have to coordinate filenames, directory structures, graphics formats, etc., so that the files open corectly on both ends. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems = -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]on Behalf Of Carole Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:31 PM To: Matt Sullivan Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; ecid...@zoominternet.net; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Haven't looked into this for a few years. I will see if I have my notes, but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet. Not really sure at the moment. Carole J. Johnson, ~~~ Carole Johnson Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 From: "Matt Sullivan" To: "'Carole Johnson'" , Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com, framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Date: 01/06/2010 02:28 PM Subject: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD, then handled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach? -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training m...@grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell & txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carole Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM To: ecid...@zoominternet.net Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM. Should be able to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files) Carole J. Johnson, ~~~ Carole Johnson Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 From: ecid...@zoominternet.net To: Date: 01/06/2010 02:10 PM Subject: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Good afternoon Fellow Framers First, my setup: WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)... My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic Arbortext. I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker. Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext documentation to Adobe Framemaker. The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've tried creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD, but to no avail. ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here. All the best to all of you. Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as carole_john...@raytheon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/carole_johnson%40raytheo n.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as m...@grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as carole_john...@raytheon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/carole_johnson%40raytheo n.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http:
RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
Haven't looked into this for a few years. I will see if I have my notes, but I thought it was a schema or a DTD, but using style sheet. Not really sure at the moment. Carole J. Johnson, ~~~ Carole Johnson Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 From: "Matt Sullivan" To: "'Carole Johnson'" , Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com, framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Date: 01/06/2010 02:28 PM Subject: RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD, then handled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach? -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training m...@grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell & txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carole Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM To: ecid...@zoominternet.net Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM. Should be able to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files) Carole J. Johnson, ~~~ Carole Johnson Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 From: ecid...@zoominternet.net To: Date: 01/06/2010 02:10 PM Subject: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Good afternoon Fellow Framers First, my setup: WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)... My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic Arbortext. I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker. Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext documentation to Adobe Framemaker. The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've tried creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD, but to no avail. ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here. All the best to all of you. Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as carole_john...@raytheon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/carole_johnson%40raytheo n.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as m...@grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as carole_john...@raytheon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/carole_johnson%40raytheon.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
My understanding is that the Schema needs to be converted to a DTD, then handled from there. Carole, are you aware of a different approach? -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training m...@grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell & txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carole Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:17 PM To: ecid...@zoominternet.net Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM. Should be able to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files) Carole J. Johnson, ~~~ Carole Johnson Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 From: ecid...@zoominternet.net To: Date: 01/06/2010 02:10 PM Subject: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Good afternoon Fellow Framers First, my setup: WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)... My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic Arbortext. I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker. Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext documentation to Adobe Framemaker. The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've tried creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD, but to no avail. ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here. All the best to all of you. Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as carole_john...@raytheon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/carole_johnson%40raytheo n.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as m...@grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
Rumor has it you can use a schema with those versions of FM. Should be able to pull in the arbortext file (if they are using flat files) Carole J. Johnson, ~~~ Carole Johnson Raytheon Technical Services Company LLC System and Product Support Solutions 8680 Balboa Avenue (Bldg 1/MS 3-M102) San Diego, CA 92123 Work:(858)522-2846, Fax:(858)522-2330 From: ecid...@zoominternet.net To: Date: 01/06/2010 02:10 PM Subject: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com Good afternoon Fellow Framers First, my setup: WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)... My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic Arbortext. I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker. Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext documentation to Adobe Framemaker. The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've tried creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD, but to no avail. ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here. All the best to all of you. Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as carole_john...@raytheon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/carole_johnson%40raytheon.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker
Hi Eduardo, No plugin or procedure needed, but you need to set up any version of structured FrameMaker to understand and interpret your (XML?) info coming from ArborText or any other XML editor. (unless you want to edit in a standard text editor like Notepad...) In FrameMaker, you will want to create a structured application to point to the DTD and other files needed to process the XML and format as desired, since your DTD will not address formatting. As with AT, setting up these details is not a simple 5-minute process; since you probably won't be doing this with regularity, you may want to leverage company resources who understand the process, or engage someone familiar with it to speed up development time. -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training m...@grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell & txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of ecid...@zoominternet.net Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:09 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Epic Arbortext to Adobe FrameMaker Importance: High Good afternoon Fellow Framers First, my setup: WXP Pro 2002 SP2, FrameMaker 8 and 9 (I have both)... My aircraft manufacturer composes material/documentation in Epic Arbortext. I compose my material/documentation in Adobe FrameMaker. Is there a plug in or procedure for converting Epic Arbortext documentation to Adobe Framemaker. The manufacturer provided me with a DTD and I've tried creating an EDD, then opening the .SGM file using the newly formed EDD, but to no avail. ...just looking for a solution somewhere out here. All the best to all of you. Eduardo ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as m...@grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
