RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Harro de Jong]

> I suspect what's happening here is that FM won't accept the relative path
> because it does not exist. If you put the file in
> F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\x\x\x\x it would probably preserve
> it.

Correct, I tried that and it works. 

Kind regards, 

Harro de Jong
Triview Technical Communication
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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

Now I work with FrameMaker for more than 20 years,
but I had never encountered this issue.
I will not add IDs to the graphics files. At least in my (rare) cases
they would not have helped.
With IDs translation or updating to a new doc. release
would be much more work.
Instead I will take extra care when I move files.
Thanks for the help.

Best regards

Winfried

From: Heiko Haida [mailto:i...@heiko-haida.de]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:23 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; Framers
Subject: RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

...

Hi Winfried,

yes, FrameMaker searches for missing graphics in the last successfully opened 
graphics folder (of the actual session at least). So, if you have just opened a 
first file, all missing graphics for the second file will be replaced with 
graphics for the first file if they have the same names, without checking if 
they are identical.

This can be very annoying and therefore I recommend to use unique IDs for 
graphics (including version/revision) instead of or in addition to simple names.

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin



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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Harro, 

this is a bug and I think it has been discussed here already. 

The link information will be truncated in the mif (not in the FM file
itself) to the max possilble no. of folders available in the folder
hierarchy at the level where the mif file is actually stored to (not
where the FM file is stored) ! 

In your case, you need 2 more hierarchical folder levels. 

Hi Winfried, 

yes, FrameMaker searches for missing graphics in the last successfully
opened graphics folder (of the actual session at least). So, if you have
just opened a first file, all missing graphics for the second file will
be replaced with graphics for the first file if they have the same
names, without checking if they are identical. 

This can be very annoying and therefore I recommend to use unique IDs
for graphics (including version/revision) instead of or in addition to
simple names. 

Best regards - Tino H. Haida, Berlin 

Reng, Dr. Winfried: 

> Hi, 
> 
> I think this is a bug! 
> 
> Steps: 
> 
> Copy a file with a referenced graphics into another folder. The graphics path 
> might be .graphicstest.eps 
> 
> Open the first file. 
> 
> Then open the copied file. It will show the referenced graphics although it 
> should complaint that the graphics file could not be found in .graphics. 
> 
> Obviously FrameMaker calculates for the copied file the graphics path to the 
> graphics file the first file. 
> 
> Best regards 
> 
> Winfried 
> 
> FROM: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
> [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] 
> SENT: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM
> TO: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths 
> 
> Winfried Reng said: 
> 
>> However, I do not know how FrameMaker gets the path 
> 
>> to the orginal graphics files. 
> 
>> Does this happen only, if another file is open which points to 
> 
>> the graphics files of the copied file? 
> 
>> Otherwise I wonder how FrameMaker can find out where the 
> 
>> graphics files are located. 
> 
> That part of detecting the absolute file location is easy. After a program 
> accessing a file (through all the relative references), determining the 
> absolute location of a file is trivial in code. 
> 
> The truncation mentioned by Harro is troublesome though. 
> 
> Also, there is a path length limit in Windows - I thought it was 256 
> characters, but may be 64 characters? And this does not explain the network 
> file name issue mentioned … 
> 
> I'll look … 
> 
> Z 
> 
> FROM: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] ON BEHALF OF Harro de Jong
> SENT: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:35 AM
> TO: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths 
> 
> hi all, 
> 
> I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for 
> translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they 
> complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed. 
> 
> They were using relative paths that had lots of 'parent' references: 
> 
> Graphicsetc 
> 
> When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep: 
> 
> F:Customerprojecttranslationincomingblah.fm 
> 
> When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I 
> selected 'Ignore all missing files' and saved the file as MIF. 
> 
> When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to 
> 
> Graphicsetc 
> 
> So the path gets truncated to the number of levels available from the current 
> location. 
> 
> When I store the file on an UNC path, it gets worse: 
> 
> \ServerCustomerprojecttranslationincomingblah.fm [1] 
> 
> graphics paths: 
> 
> \Graphicsetc [2] 
> 
> In my opinion, this is a bug. When I select 'Ignore all missing files', Frame 
> should leave the existing paths alone. 
> 
> Has anyone else seen the same behavior? 
> 
> Harro de Jong
 

Links:
--
[1] file:///\ServerCustomerprojecttranslationincomingblah.fm
[2] file:///\Graphicsetc
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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

I think this is a bug!
Steps:
Copy a file with a referenced graphics into another folder. The graphics path 
might be .\graphics\test.eps
Open the first file.
Then open the copied file. It will show the referenced graphics although it 
should complaint that the graphics file could not be found in .\graphics.
Obviously FrameMaker calculates for the copied file the graphics path to the 
graphics file the first file.

Best regards

Winfried

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 7:57 PM
To: Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

Winfried Reng said:
>However, I do not know how FrameMaker gets the path
>to the orginal graphics files.
>Does this happen only, if another file is open which points to
>the graphics files of the copied file?
>Otherwise I wonder how FrameMaker can find out where the
>graphics files are located.

That part of detecting the absolute file location is easy. After a program 
accessing a file (through all the relative references), determining the 
absolute location of a file is trivial in code.

The truncation mentioned by Harro is troublesome though.

Also, there is a path length limit in Windows - I thought it was 256 
characters, but may be 64 characters? And this does not explain the network 
file name issue mentioned ...

I'll look ...

Z

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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:35 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths


hi all,

I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for 
translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they 
complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed.
They were using relative paths that had lots  of 'parent' references:
..\..\..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep:

F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm

When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I 
selected 'Ignore all missing files' and saved the file as MIF.
When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to
..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

So the path gets truncated to the number of levels available from the current 
location.

When I store the file on an UNC path, it gets worse:
\\Server\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm
graphics paths:
\\Graphics\etc

In my opinion, this is a bug. When I select 'Ignore all missing files', Frame 
should leave the existing paths alone.

Has anyone else seen the same behavior?
Harro de Jong




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Re: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Robert Lauriston]

I suspect what's happening here is that FM won't accept the relative
path because it does not exist. If you put the file in
F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\x\x\x\x it would probably
preserve it.

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Robert Lauriston  wrote:
> "FrameMaker stores relative paths whenever possible so that it can
> find an imported file even when you move both the document and the
> source file—as long as you keep the files in the same relative
> locations."
>
> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/11.0/Using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7960b-7eac.html
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Harro de Jong
>  wrote:
>> I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for
>> translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they
>> complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed.
>>
>> They were using relative paths that had lots  of ‘parent’ references:
>>
>> ..\..\..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc
>>
>> When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep:
>>
>> F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm
>>
>> When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I
>> selected ‘Ignore all missing files’ and saved the file as MIF.
>>
>> When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to
>>
>> ..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc...
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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Winfried Reng said:
>However, I do not know how FrameMaker gets the path
>to the orginal graphics files.
>Does this happen only, if another file is open which points to
>the graphics files of the copied file?
>Otherwise I wonder how FrameMaker can find out where the
>graphics files are located.

That part of detecting the absolute file location is easy. After a program 
accessing a file (through all the relative references), determining the 
absolute location of a file is trivial in code.

The truncation mentioned by Harro is troublesome though.

Also, there is a path length limit in Windows - I thought it was 256 
characters, but may be 64 characters? And this does not explain the network 
file name issue mentioned ...

I'll look ...

Z

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths


hi all,

I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for 
translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they 
complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed.
They were using relative paths that had lots  of 'parent' references:
..\..\..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep:

F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm

When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I 
selected 'Ignore all missing files' and saved the file as MIF.
When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to
..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

So the path gets truncated to the number of levels available from the current 
location.

When I store the file on an UNC path, it gets worse:
\\Server\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm
graphics paths:
\\Graphics\etc

In my opinion, this is a bug. When I select 'Ignore all missing files', Frame 
should leave the existing paths alone.

Has anyone else seen the same behavior?
Harro de Jong




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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Craig, Alison]

I have only ever had this problem upon receiving files back from a Language 
Service Provider (LSP) - and it has always been the result of a path change 
made by the LSP.



Every doc I publish is moved from my working folders (tied to Visual Source 
Safe) to a "finished" directory for final compilation and so long as I keep the 
relative paths the same (at least up to the highest folder in which any 
required publication files reside) then I never have a problem with relative 
paths and my "imported by reference" graphics are fine.



The advice I received from the List to fix the problem (back in 2011) is as 
follows. It’s worked every time I’ve encountered this issue.



“Just in case that the path info has been changed, say from relative paths to 
absolute paths…you can still change them back, in a dirty, quick way. First, 
you need to save all FM files into MIF. Then you can use a search-and-replace 
tool that supports wildcards/regular expressions, such as the legendary 
UltraEditor – just replace the “c:\folder\subfolders\” stuff with “..\..\” – of 
course the strings look differently in the MIF, but this is a just a quick 
example. And finally, you resave all MIF’s back to FM’s.”



Hope this help,



Alison




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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:40 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths



"FrameMaker stores relative paths whenever possible so that it can find an 
imported file even when you move both the document and the source file—as long 
as you keep the files in the same relative locations."



http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/11.0/Using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7960b-7eac.html



On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Harro de Jong 
mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com>> wrote:

> I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files

> for translation. After we sent the translated files back to the

> customer, they complained that all of the image paths in their files were 
> changed.

>

> They were using relative paths that had lots  of ‘parent’ references:

>

> ..\..\..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

>

> When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep:

>

> F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm

>

> When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external

> graphics. I selected ‘Ignore all missing files’ and saved the file as MIF.

>

> When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to

>

> ..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc...

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Re: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Robert Lauriston]

"FrameMaker stores relative paths whenever possible so that it can
find an imported file even when you move both the document and the
source file—as long as you keep the files in the same relative
locations."

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/11.0/Using/WSd817046a44e105e21e63e3d11ab7f7960b-7eac.html

On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Harro de Jong
 wrote:
> I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for
> translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they
> complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed.
>
> They were using relative paths that had lots  of ‘parent’ references:
>
> ..\..\..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc
>
> When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep:
>
> F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm
>
> When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I
> selected ‘Ignore all missing files’ and saved the file as MIF.
>
> When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to
>
> ..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc...
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RE: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Harro,

I observe this issue very rarely.
I do the same as you:
I copy a file with my file manager, open it,
click Ignore all missing files and then notice that the graphics
path has changed.
The path changes to the path of the original graphics files.

This happens so rarely that I do not take care.
I use FrameMaker 11.0.2.384.
I do not known whether this bug is fixed in FrameMaker 12.

However, I do not know how FrameMaker gets the path
to the orginal graphics files.
Does this happen only, if another file is open which points to
the graphics files of the copied file?
Otherwise I wonder how FrameMaker can find out where the
graphics files are located.

Best regards

Winfried

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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:35 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FM 10 sometimes changes graphics paths


hi all,

I recently ran into an issue: we received a set of FrameMaker files for 
translation. After we sent the translated files back to the customer, they 
complained that all of the image paths in their files were changed.
They were using relative paths that had lots  of 'parent' references:
..\..\..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

When I received these files, I placed them in a directory 4 levels deep:

F:\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm

When I opened this file Frame asked for the location of external graphics. I 
selected 'Ignore all missing files' and saved the file as MIF.
When I inspected the MIF, the graphics paths were truncated to
..\..\..\..\Graphics\etc

So the path gets truncated to the number of levels available from the current 
location.

When I store the file on an UNC path, it gets worse:
\\Server\Customer\project\translation\incoming\blah.fm
graphics paths:
\\Graphics\etc

In my opinion, this is a bug. When I select 'Ignore all missing files', Frame 
should leave the existing paths alone.

Has anyone else seen the same behavior?
Harro de Jong




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