RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
Have you done a MIF wash on the files, Mike? If not, try the wash and then repeat the Toolbox deletion step. HTH, Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mbrad...@techpubs.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:31 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions Windows XP Service Pack 3 FrameMaker 8 Hi, I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then imported into FM more recently. In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). It appears that the Word colors are embedded in the FM files in a unique way that prevents them from being deleted. Any ideas on how we can delete them? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
Oh, and I looked in the MIF file for the colors and they aren't there! = Mike Bradley > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > imported into FM more recently. > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the > color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM > files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as > RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
mbrad...@techpubs.com wrote: > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > imported into FM more recently. > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the > color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM > files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as > RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). > > It appears that the Word colors are embedded in the FM files in a unique > way that prevents them from being deleted. Any ideas on how we can > delete them? Those colors don't come from Word as such, they come from 256-color PNG graphics files. Each color defined in the palette is named according to its RGB values, and each palette-based graphic can add up to 256 such colors to your FM file. The solution is to open the PNGs in an appropriate graphics app and save them as 24-bit color (16.7 million colors) instead of palette-based (256 colors). The size increase is surprisingly small. It's been a while since I had that issue (and Word wasn't implicated in any way), so I don't recall whether, once the offending graphics are gone, the colors disappear after saving or whether some other step (MIF-wash, maybe) was necessary. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
Dang! I did a MIF Wash using mif2go, and the RGB colors are gone. I love it when software works. Thanks for the tip! = Mike B > Original Message > Subject: RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions > From: "Pinkham, Jim" > Date: Wed, March 10, 2010 2:34 pm > To: , > > > Have you done a MIF wash on the files, Mike? If not, try the wash and > then repeat the Toolbox deletion step. > > HTH, > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > mbrad...@techpubs.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:31 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions > > Windows XP Service Pack 3 > FrameMaker 8 > > Hi, > > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > imported into FM more recently. > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the > color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM > files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as > RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). > > It appears that the Word colors are embedded in the FM files in a unique > way that prevents them from being deleted. Any ideas on how we can > delete them? > > = Mike Bradley > www.techpubs.com > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. > com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
Absolutely correct. Which is why a MIF wash works as an easy way to get rid of the color definitions. Now that you've got the MIF file(s), open *that* file from FrameMaker and then do a Save As to convert it back to FrameMaker binary format. -Fred Ridder > From: mbrad...@techpubs.com > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:45:03 -0700 > > Oh, and I looked in the MIF file for the colors and they aren't there! > > = Mike Bradley > > > > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > > imported into FM more recently. > > > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the > > color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM > > files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as > > RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as docu...@hotmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
I've had problems with color definitions and this really worked: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/323/323771.html Joy On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:30 PM, wrote: > Windows XP Service Pack 3 > FrameMaker 8 > > Hi, > > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > imported into FM more recently. > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the > color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM > files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as > RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). > > It appears that the Word colors are embedded in the FM files in a unique > way that prevents them from being deleted. Any ideas on how we can > delete them? > > = Mike Bradley > www.techpubs.com > > -- Joy Kocar, EIT Technical Writer, Instructional Designer www.maptek.com +1-303-763-4919 ext 178 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
You're welcome. Discovering this technique put to rest a lot of frustration with legacy docs for me. Jim -Original Message- From: mbrad...@techpubs.com [mailto:mbrad...@techpubs.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:40 PM To: Pinkham, Jim Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions Dang! I did a MIF Wash using mif2go, and the RGB colors are gone. I love it when software works. Thanks for the tip! = Mike B > Original Message ---- > Subject: RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions > From: "Pinkham, Jim" > Date: Wed, March 10, 2010 2:34 pm > To: , > > > Have you done a MIF wash on the files, Mike? If not, try the wash and > then repeat the Toolbox deletion step. > > HTH, > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > mbrad...@techpubs.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:31 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions > > Windows XP Service Pack 3 > FrameMaker 8 > > Hi, > > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > imported into FM more recently. > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for > the color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the > FM files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such > as RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). > > It appears that the Word colors are embedded in the FM files in a > unique way that prevents them from being deleted. Any ideas on how we > can delete them? > > = Mike Bradley > www.techpubs.com > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. > com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
This works, for sure. Thanks. Mif2go's MIF Wash might do nothing more than automate the same process. = Mike -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joy Kocar Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:56 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions I've had problems with color definitions and this really worked: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/323/323771.html Joy On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:30 PM, wrote: > Windows XP Service Pack 3 > FrameMaker 8 > > Hi, > > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > imported into FM more recently. > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the > color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM > files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as > RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). > > It appears that the Word colors are embedded in the FM files in a unique > way that prevents them from being deleted. Any ideas on how we can > delete them? > > = Mike Bradley > www.techpubs.com > > -- Joy Kocar, EIT Technical Writer, Instructional Designer www.maptek.com +1-303-763-4919 ext 178 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mbrad...@techpubs.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mbradley%40techpubs.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
Mike, If the bad colors are indeed from graphics with palette-based colors, the bad color definitions will likely reappear the next time you open the file. In that case, the real fix is to fix the graphics as Richard Combs suggested, and then do the mif wash. Regards, Melanie Raney -Original Message- From: mbrad...@techpubs.com [mailto:mbrad...@techpubs.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 5:40 PM To: Pinkham,Jim Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions Dang! I did a MIF Wash using mif2go, and the RGB colors are gone. I love it when software works. Thanks for the tip! = Mike B > Original Message > Subject: RE: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions > From: "Pinkham, Jim" > Date: Wed, March 10, 2010 2:34 pm > To: , > > > Have you done a MIF wash on the files, Mike? If not, try the wash and > then repeat the Toolbox deletion step. > > HTH, > Jim > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > mbrad...@techpubs.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:31 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions > > Windows XP Service Pack 3 > FrameMaker 8 > > Hi, > > I have some FM files that were created in Word some time ago, then > imported into FM more recently. > > In FM, we were able to remove all the artifacts from Word except for the > color definitions. We are not using any of the Word colors in the FM > files, but we can't delete them from the files' color catalogs, either. > The colors are listed in the Color Definitions window and in the > Character Designer window. They are labeled "RGB ", such as > RGB 177,197,218. The usual FM procedure for deleting colors simply > doesn't work; nor did Toolbox (it threw errors -17 and 12). > > It appears that the Word colors are embedded in the FM files in a unique > way that prevents them from being deleted. Any ideas on how we can > delete them? > > = Mike Bradley > www.techpubs.com > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. > com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. --- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8 - Can't Delete Color Definitions
On Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:07:02 -0800, "Mike Bradley" wrote: >This works, for sure. Thanks. Mif2go's MIF Wash might >do nothing more than automate the same process. No, MIF Wash does *not* do these two steps: 4. Choose View > Color > Definitions. 5. From the Name pop-up menu, choose the color definition. Click Delete. All MIF Wash does is save as MIF and re-open, then save as .fm binary. The main advantages over doing that manually are speed and the fact that using the Shift-File menu, you can do a whole book in one operation. You don't always have to delete the color definition; if it's an artifact, the MIF Wash process will remove it. If it is really there, as a result of a PNG, you can fix the PNG as Richard Combs advised, then do MIF Wash again. Note that MIF Wash is usable in the demo version of Mif2Go; you do not need to buy Mif2Go to use it, just install the demo: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
