RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times
I'd be chugging too if I only had 2 GB of RAM! You're using Win7 64 bit for God's sake! Throw a whack of RAM at it - it can use it. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephens, Adrian P Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:25 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times Hello all, I'm technical editor for IEEE 802.11REVmb, this is a spec for a wireless LAN protocol, and is current 2,600 pages in length. The standard is a single book file comprising about 40 .fm files. I'm using Frame 9 on Win 7 64 bit. I have had two problems recently with this: 1. Slow operation with large files. 2. Slow compare operation. The process we go through in IEEE standards is that large chunks of contributory material (called amendments) are prepared and approved elsewhere. Then I get to roll in the change. The last two amendments were 400 and 200 pages in length, consisting of a mixture of straight additional material and marked up changes. Two files in particular have grown a lot recently. One is a 50/50 mix of text and tables. The other is pure text. They are both about 400 pages in length each. (The source with text/tables is 4MB in length, the other one is 2MB). Recently operations have slowed down. Frame has started running out of memory (screen not rendering properly, using a system font instead of proper font) when doing lots of work in the mixed file. Cross-reference operations (the bane of my life) take forever (i.e., 10s user-interface response to any key, 30s pause after adjusting xref). I have to prepare a "redline" document, which I do by a book compare with a previous release.With these files of this length, and a substantial number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I killed one compare on the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU time on a fast desktop machine. I have split these files into 4 chunks, and life has improved a lot. OK, 400 pages is a long file (in terms of could I read it before bedtime), but 4MB is not much compared with the memory that frame occupies (200MB) or the amount of memory on my machine (2GB). Have others observed this behaviour? Am I missing any tricks in dealing with big files? Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile) Skype: adrian_stephens -- Intel Corporation (UK) Limited Registered No. 1134945 (England) Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ VAT No: 860 2173 47 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times
Jeff is right. From what I've read, 2 GB of RAM is barely adequate for minimal-load use under Win 7. You should quadruple it -- at least. Richard From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 6:26 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times I'd be chugging too if I only had 2 GB of RAM! You're using Win7 64 bit for God's sake! Throw a whack of RAM at it - it can use it. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephens, Adrian P Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:25 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times Hello all, I'm technical editor for IEEE 802.11REVmb, this is a spec for a wireless LAN protocol, and is current 2,600 pages in length. The standard is a single book file comprising about 40 .fm files. I'm using Frame 9 on Win 7 64 bit. I have had two problems recently with this: 1. Slow operation with large files. 2. Slow compare operation. The process we go through in IEEE standards is that large chunks of contributory material (called amendments) are prepared and approved elsewhere. Then I get to roll in the change. The last two amendments were 400 and 200 pages in length, consisting of a mixture of straight additional material and marked up changes. Two files in particular have grown a lot recently. One is a 50/50 mix of text and tables. The other is pure text. They are both about 400 pages in length each. (The source with text/tables is 4MB in length, the other one is 2MB). Recently operations have slowed down. Frame has started running out of memory (screen not rendering properly, using a system font instead of proper font) when doing lots of work in the mixed file. Cross-reference operations (the bane of my life) take forever (i.e., 10s user-interface response to any key, 30s pause after adjusting xref). I have to prepare a "redline" document, which I do by a book compare with a previous release.With these files of this length, and a substantial number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I killed one compare on the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU time on a fast desktop machine. I have split these files into 4 chunks, and life has improved a lot. OK, 400 pages is a long file (in terms of could I read it before bedtime), but 4MB is not much compared with the memory that frame occupies (200MB) or the amount of memory on my machine (2GB). Have others observed this behaviour? Am I missing any tricks in dealing with big files? Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile) Skype: adrian_stephens -- Intel Corporation (UK) Limited Registered No. 1134945 (England) Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ VAT No: 860 2173 47 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times
FrameMaker is a 32-bit application, not a 64-bit application. As such, it cannot use any more than a 2GB address space. Using FrameMaker under any 64-bit version of Windows with more than 2GB of memory only assists FrameMaker in that such additional memory can dramatically reduce system paging operations to and from disk. Generally speaking, the 64-bit versions of Windows have a much higher memory requirement threshold than the 32-bit minutes of Windows have. Under no circumstances would I ever recommend use of Windows 64-bit with anything less than a full 4GB of main memory, with 6GB or 8GB much more rational choices for that environment. - Dov From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:26 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times I'd be chugging too if I only had 2 GB of RAM! You're using Win7 64 bit for God's sake! Throw a whack of RAM at it - it can use it. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephens, Adrian P Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:25 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times Hello all, I'm technical editor for IEEE 802.11REVmb, this is a spec for a wireless LAN protocol, and is current 2,600 pages in length. The standard is a single book file comprising about 40 .fm files. I'm using Frame 9 on Win 7 64 bit. I have had two problems recently with this: 1. Slow operation with large files. 2. Slow compare operation. The process we go through in IEEE standards is that large chunks of contributory material (called amendments) are prepared and approved elsewhere. Then I get to roll in the change. The last two amendments were 400 and 200 pages in length, consisting of a mixture of straight additional material and marked up changes. Two files in particular have grown a lot recently. One is a 50/50 mix of text and tables. The other is pure text. They are both about 400 pages in length each. (The source with text/tables is 4MB in length, the other one is 2MB). Recently operations have slowed down. Frame has started running out of memory (screen not rendering properly, using a system font instead of proper font) when doing lots of work in the mixed file. Cross-reference operations (the bane of my life) take forever (i.e., 10s user-interface response to any key, 30s pause after adjusting xref). I have to prepare a "redline" document, which I do by a book compare with a previous release.With these files of this length, and a substantial number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I killed one compare on the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU time on a fast desktop machine. I have split these files into 4 chunks, and life has improved a lot. OK, 400 pages is a long file (in terms of could I read it before bedtime), but 4MB is not much compared with the memory that frame occupies (200MB) or the amount of memory on my machine (2GB). Have others observed this behaviour? Am I missing any tricks in dealing with big files? Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile) Skype: adrian_stephens -- Intel Corporation (UK) Limited Registered No. 1134945 (England) Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ VAT No: 860 2173 47 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times
The "- it can use it." I was referring to was his Win7 machine, not FM. Nobody's ever just running "only" FM - there's normally always some other apps in use - your e-mail program, a browser or two, some screenshot app, etc. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Dov Isaacs Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:10 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times Importance: High FrameMaker is a 32-bit application, not a 64-bit application. As such, it cannot use any more than a 2GB address space. Using FrameMaker under any 64-bit version of Windows with more than 2GB of memory only assists FrameMaker in that such additional memory can dramatically reduce system paging operations to and from disk. Generally speaking, the 64-bit versions of Windows have a much higher memory requirement threshold than the 32-bit minutes of Windows have. Under no circumstances would I ever recommend use of Windows 64-bit with anything less than a full 4GB of main memory, with 6GB or 8GB much more rational choices for that environment. - Dov From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coatsworth Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:26 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times I'd be chugging too if I only had 2 GB of RAM! You're using Win7 64 bit for God's sake! Throw a whack of RAM at it - it can use it. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephens, Adrian P Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:25 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times Hello all, I'm technical editor for IEEE 802.11REVmb, this is a spec for a wireless LAN protocol, and is current 2,600 pages in length. The standard is a single book file comprising about 40 .fm files. I'm using Frame 9 on Win 7 64 bit. I have had two problems recently with this: 1. Slow operation with large files. 2. Slow compare operation. The process we go through in IEEE standards is that large chunks of contributory material (called amendments) are prepared and approved elsewhere. Then I get to roll in the change. The last two amendments were 400 and 200 pages in length, consisting of a mixture of straight additional material and marked up changes. Two files in particular have grown a lot recently. One is a 50/50 mix of text and tables. The other is pure text. They are both about 400 pages in length each. (The source with text/tables is 4MB in length, the other one is 2MB). Recently operations have slowed down. Frame has started running out of memory (screen not rendering properly, using a system font instead of proper font) when doing lots of work in the mixed file. Cross-reference operations (the bane of my life) take forever (i.e., 10s user-interface response to any key, 30s pause after adjusting xref). I have to prepare a "redline" document, which I do by a book compare with a previous release.With these files of this length, and a substantial number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I killed one compare on the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU time on a fast desktop machine. I have split these files into 4 chunks, and life has improved a lot. OK, 400 pages is a long file (in terms of could I read it before bedtime), but 4MB is not much compared with the memory that frame occupies (200MB) or the amount of memory on my machine (2GB). Have others observed this behaviour? Am I missing any tricks in dealing with big files? Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile) Skype: adrian_stephens -- Intel Corporation (UK) Limited Registered No. 1134945 (England) Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ VAT No: 860 2173 47 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times
Adrian, How do you handle your redlines when Compare Document is completed? We have a lot of tables in our documents. If any table formatting is modified from the previous version, FM considers it a new table. We have to manually add the insertion/deletion conditional text color coding to the tables in the comparison file. What do you do to show changes in tables? Cathy Outlaw Technical Communicator -Original Message- Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 06:24:53 + From: "Stephens, Adrian P" To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Subject: File sizes, frame 9, comparison times Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" * * * * I have to prepare a "redline" document, which I do by a book compare with a previous release.With these files of this length, and a substantial number of operations, this appears to be slowing down. I killed one compare on the purely text file after 4 hours of CPU time on a fast desktop machine. * * * * Best Regards, Adrian P STEPHENS Tel: +44 1954 204 609 (office) Tel: +44 792 008 4900 (mobile) Skype: adrian_stephens -- Intel Corporation (UK) Limited Registered No. 1134945 (England) Registered Office: Pipers Way, Swindon SN3 1RJ VAT No: 860 2173 47 The information transmitted is intended only for the person(s)or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Delivery of this message to any person other than the intended recipient(s) is not intended in any way to waive privilege or confidentiality. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of , or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. For Translation: http://www.baxter.com/email_disclaimer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
