Re: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update
Ahh, I thought a bcc to Dov might elicit a response! Thx Dov, for clarifying! -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan phone: 714 960-6840 On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:29 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > EPS, AI, and PDF are all essentially the same file with different options – > not really! > > Illustrator files input into FrameMaker depend on the Illustrator file being > saved with PDF compatibility. It is the PDF that FrameMaker really deals with > in that file, not the actual private Illustrator information. > > For PDF files (and thus Illustrator files) imported into a FrameMaker > document, the PDF content is converted internally into EPS and a high > resolution “preview” is created from the PDF. > > If importing EPS worked, but importing PDF didn’t and the original artwork > contained live transparency (as in drop shadows, etc.), then the difference > would be that when creating EPS from Illustrator, transparency is flattened > immediately since PostScript doesn’t support live transparency at all! The > PDF probably still had the live transparency which should have been properly > flattened when the PDF was imported and internal EPS was created. If this > happened with the current FrameMaker release and you are able to (1) repeat > the problem and (2) share the files with Adobe, I would advise you to report > this as a serious bug. > > - Dov > > > Dov Isaacs > Principal Scientist > Adobe Systems Incorporated > +1 408.536.2896 (tel) > +1 408.242.5161 (cell) > isa...@adobe.com > 345 Park Avenue > San Jose, CA 95110-2704 USA > http://www.adobe.com > > > Feel free to print this e-mail if your needs dictate hard copy. > There is no need to feel guilty about printing! > Paper is renewable and recyclable. > > ISAACS-OFFICE.corp.adobe.com > > > > From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:04 AM > To: Steve Rickaby > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update > > First off, I'm glad you found a workaround. > > EPS, AI, and PDF are all essentially the same file with different options, so > I still wonder what the main issue is. > > > -Matt > > Matt Sullivan > technical communication | online training | eLearning > > twitter: @mattrsullivan > phone: 714 960-6840 > > On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Steve Rickaby > wrote: > > > I tried ensuring that the drop shadow was created by a filer rather than an > effect, and imported the illustration as a PDF. The problem remained. > > I then tried importing as an .eps: problem fixed. > > So it seems to be specific to an interaction between Illustrator drop > shadows, FrameMaker's importing of PDF files, and FrameMaker's subsequent PDF > generation. > > Thanks to everyone who responded to this. > -- > Steve > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update
At 15:29 -0700 13/3/13, Dov Isaacs wrote: > If this happened with the current FrameMaker release and you are able to (1) > repeat the problem and (2) share the files with Adobe, I would advise you to > report this as a serious bug. Thanks Dov. No... I'm on ancient versions here, Acrobat Pro 6 and FrameMaker 7 for Mac, just waiting for Apple to produce a new Mac Pro before I give Adobe loadsa' dosh. I've already bought a FrameMaker cross-grade, just don't have a machine to run it on yet. David Creamer's explanation makes a lot of sense, and it could quite easily be the reason that I had a pre-press nightmare with drop shadows on a previous book. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update
At 11:52 -0700 13/3/13, David Creamer wrote: >Coming into this late, but I believe this is an Illustrator issue, which has >been solved with newer versions. InDesign used to have the same problem: PDF >and AI would generate 4 seps even for black-only images; EPS would work >properly. That would certainly explain it. This could be that was the problem that lead me to send a pre-press file off to be cleaned up by Acrobat 9 couple of years back. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update
EPS, AI, and PDF are all essentially the same file with different options - not really! Illustrator files input into FrameMaker depend on the Illustrator file being saved with PDF compatibility. It is the PDF that FrameMaker really deals with in that file, not the actual private Illustrator information. For PDF files (and thus Illustrator files) imported into a FrameMaker document, the PDF content is converted internally into EPS and a high resolution "preview" is created from the PDF. If importing EPS worked, but importing PDF didn't and the original artwork contained live transparency (as in drop shadows, etc.), then the difference would be that when creating EPS from Illustrator, transparency is flattened immediately since PostScript doesn't support live transparency at all! The PDF probably still had the live transparency which should have been properly flattened when the PDF was imported and internal EPS was created. If this happened with the current FrameMaker release and you are able to (1) repeat the problem and (2) share the files with Adobe, I would advise you to report this as a serious bug. - Dov [cid:image001.png@01CE1FFF.81A419E0] Dov Isaacs Principal Scientist Adobe Systems Incorporated +1 408.536.2896 (tel) +1 408.242.5161 (cell) isa...@adobe.com<mailto:isa...@adobe.com> 345 Park Avenue San Jose, CA 95110-2704 USA http://www.adobe.com<http://www.adobe.com/> Feel free to print this e-mail if your needs dictate hard copy. There is no need to feel guilty about printing! Paper is renewable and recyclable. ISAACS-OFFICE.corp.adobe.com From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 8:04 AM To: Steve Rickaby Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update First off, I'm glad you found a workaround. EPS, AI, and PDF are all essentially the same file with different options, so I still wonder what the main issue is. -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan<http://twitter.com/mattrsullivan> phone: 714 960-6840 On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Steve Rickaby mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk>> wrote: I tried ensuring that the drop shadow was created by a filer rather than an effect, and imported the illustration as a PDF. The problem remained. I then tried importing as an .eps: problem fixed. So it seems to be specific to an interaction between Illustrator drop shadows, FrameMaker's importing of PDF files, and FrameMaker's subsequent PDF generation. Thanks to everyone who responded to this. -- Steve <>___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update
>>By me, in Illustrator (CS2). >I then tried importing as an .eps: problem fixed. Coming into this late, but I believe this is an Illustrator issue, which has been solved with newer versions. InDesign used to have the same problem: PDF and AI would generate 4 seps even for black-only images; EPS would work properly. David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995 Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update
First off, I'm glad you found a workaround. EPS, AI, and PDF are all essentially the same file with different options, so I still wonder what the main issue is. -Matt Matt Sullivan technical communication | online training | eLearning twitter: @mattrsullivan phone: 714 960-6840 On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:57 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > I tried ensuring that the drop shadow was created by a filer rather than an > effect, and imported the illustration as a PDF. The problem remained. > > I then tried importing as an .eps: problem fixed. > > So it seems to be specific to an interaction between Illustrator drop > shadows, FrameMaker's importing of PDF files, and FrameMaker's subsequent PDF > generation. > > Thanks to everyone who responded to this. > -- > Steve > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as m...@mattrsullivan.com. > > Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40mattrsullivan.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker-specific preflight problem: update
I tried ensuring that the drop shadow was created by a filer rather than an effect, and imported the illustration as a PDF. The problem remained. I then tried importing as an .eps: problem fixed. So it seems to be specific to an interaction between Illustrator drop shadows, FrameMaker's importing of PDF files, and FrameMaker's subsequent PDF generation. Thanks to everyone who responded to this. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
