Rick, Thanks for the discount. I forwarded your message to my manager. He was having some trouble getting the information he needed to make a decision so I am not sure how quick the response is going to be. I will keep you posted.
Michelle -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:00 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 30, Issue 11 Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/listinfo/framers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Closing big book files (Shmuel Wolfson) 2. OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild (John Pitt) 3. Re: Closing big book files (Jim Owens) 4. Re: Closing big book files (Rene Stephenson) 5. RE: Taking screen shot with the cursor (Ed Lightle) 6. Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild (Stuart Rogers) 7. tables (Mollye Barrett) 8. Re: tables (Rick Quatro) 9. Re: tables (Art Campbell) 10. ANN: Survey about Leaders in Technical Communication (jobs @ ProSpring) 11. FrameMaker and Canto Cumulus or Extensis PortFolio (Wim Hooghwinkel - iDTP) 12. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson) 13. RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN (Lief Erickson) 14. finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality (Jim Owens) 15. Menu name (Flato, Gillian) 16. Re: Menu name (Stuart Rogers) 17. Re: Menu name (Rene Stephenson) 18. Re: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality (Jeremy H. Griffith) 19. RE: Menu name (Combs, Richard) 20. Re: Menu name (Alan Litchfield) 21. Re: Menu name (rebecca officer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:32:40 +0300 From: Shmuel Wolfson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Closing big book files To: Harold Winberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Framers <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed First do a shift/save all, then a shift/close all. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Harold Winberg wrote: > Hello Framers > > > > I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters. > > > > I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates. > > > > Is there a quick way to save and close the files? > > > > I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me > confirm OK save the file. > > > > It takes over a half hour. > > > > Any other way?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Les Winberg > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sbw%40actcom.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:39:31 +1000 From: John Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed After my motherboard went feral, I had to rebuild with a new motherboard, cpu, video card, etc. XP Pro had to be coerced into working again, but it was OK. But my Acrobat Pro 8 installation now refuses to make PDFs using either FM 8 or 7.1 with either Save As or print to PostScript. After a short time, Frame stops responding, the top menu bar disappears, and it has to be killed. I've Repaired, Uninstalled > Repaired, Deactivated and Activated, and muttered various incantations. Nothing seems to work. Strangely, both Word and Excel do produce PDFs. Any clues? jjj -- _________________________ John Pitt, technical writer 47 Gottenham St Glebe NSW 2037 Ph: 02 9692 8096 Mob: 0438 92 8096 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.pitt.net.au ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:12:40 -0400 From: Jim Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Closing big book files To: Harold Winberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If you're using a version of Frame with an Undo feature, and you're seeing an "OK to clear history?" dialog for every file you save, try clearing this check box: File > Preferences > General > Show warnings while clearing history Harold Winberg wrote: > Hello Framers > > > > I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters. > > > > I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates. > > > > Is there a quick way to save and close the files? > > > > I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me > confirm OK save the file. > > > > It takes over a half hour. > > > > Any other way?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Les Winberg > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 05:32:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Closing big book files To: Harold Winberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you shift-alt-f, s before shift/close all, you won't be prompted. That many files will still take a long time to save, though. Maybe one of the developers on the list has some insight...?! Rene L. Stephenson ----- Original Message ---- From: Harold Winberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2008 6:31:10 PM Subject: Closing big book files Hello Framers I am working in a Book file with over 400 chapters. I am using IXgen and opening all files to perform updates. Is there a quick way to save and close the files? I am saving the book and using shift/close all files but it makes me confirm OK save the file. It takes over a half hour. Any other way?? Thanks Les Winberg _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:40:55 -0500 From: "Ed Lightle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Taking screen shot with the cursor To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Gillian, I use Snagit and it allows me to include or not include the cursor. Thanks, Ed Lightle Sr. Technical Writer Command Alkon 614-799-0600 ext. 5225 www.commandalkon.com Flato, Gillian wrote: > Does anyone know how to take a screenshot so that the screenshot > includes the mouse and where it's pointing to? > > Thank you, > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Gillian Flato >Technical Writer (Software) >nanometrics >1550 Buckeye Dr. >Milpitas, CA. 95035 >(408.545.6316 >7 408.232.5911 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:30:19 -0400 From: Stuart Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT: Acrobat 8 freezes Frame after motherboard rebuild To: John Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed John Pitt wrote: > After my motherboard went feral, I had to rebuild with a new > motherboard, cpu, video card, etc. XP Pro had to be coerced into working > again, but it was OK. > > But my Acrobat Pro 8 installation now refuses to make PDFs using either > FM 8 or 7.1 with either Save As or print to PostScript. After a short > time, Frame stops responding, the top menu bar disappears, and it has to > be killed. > > I've Repaired, Uninstalled > Repaired, Deactivated and Activated, and > muttered various incantations. Nothing seems to work. > > Strangely, both Word and Excel do produce PDFs. > > Any clues? > > jjj Make sure the printer port "FILE:" still exists. If not, add it. Start > Settings > Printers & Faxes Adobe PDF properties Ports tab Note the port currently selected. Find FILE: in the list? If no, Add Port, Local Port, named FILE: (with the colon). Reselect the previously selected port. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com I'll stop saying Microsoft is arrogant when Windows stops saying "Welcome" and instead asks "May I?" ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:02:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "Mollye Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: tables To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi All, I have several unstructured templates in about 150 files. There are lots of different table formats, though many of them are similar. What I need to do is to narrow the usage and remove the unused table formats. Is there a method in Frame 8 or a plugin that will help? Any help is appreciated! Mollye Barrett ClearPath, LLC 414-331-1378 ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:43:01 -0400 From: "Rick Quatro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: tables To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mollye, I have a FrameScript script that will rename table formats. So you could rename the formats that you are trying to eliminate to the ones you want to keep. When the script renames the formats, it will delete the old name from the table catalog. The script is controlled by a simple INI file: [TblFmts] ; Old format=new format Employee Listing=Format A PCCCOM With Lines=Format A Product Table-Gray Heading=Format A In this example, they are changing 3 table formats to Format A. The script works on a single document or book. The cost is $40 and the script requires FrameScript in order to run (http://www.framescript.com). Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thanks. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mollye Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: tables > Hi All, > > I have several unstructured templates in about 150 files. There are lots > of different table formats, though many of them are similar. What I need > to do is to narrow the usage and remove the unused table formats. Is there > a method in Frame 8 or a plugin that will help? > > Any help is appreciated! > > Mollye Barrett > ClearPath, LLC > 414-331-1378 > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/frameexpert%40truevine.net > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:01:35 -0400 From: "Art Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: tables To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Although I'd probably opt to use Rick's script, another way would be to create a template using only the formats you want, and then use Electropub's CleanImport plugin to impose those formats on the files (which I hope would be in a book) -- the plugin deletes the missing formats from the working files. Then you could do a simple conversion from one format to another. Art On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:43 AM, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Mollye, > > I have a FrameScript script that will rename table formats. So you could > rename the formats that you are trying to eliminate to the ones you want to > keep. When the script renames the formats, it will delete the old name from > the table catalog. > > The script is controlled by a simple INI file: > > [TblFmts] > ; Old format=new format > Employee Listing=Format A > PCCCOM With Lines=Format A > Product Table-Gray Heading=Format A > > In this example, they are changing 3 table formats to Format A. The script > works on a single document or book. The cost is $40 and the script requires > FrameScript in order to run (http://www.framescript.com). Please let me know > if you have any questions or comments. Thanks. > > Rick -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:10:06 -0700 From: "jobs @ ProSpring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ANN: Survey about Leaders in Technical Communication To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" LavaCon has posted a short (two question) survey about leaders in the technical communication field: http://www.zoomerang.com/Survey/?p=WEB227NSFK4MA6 You can enter a drawing for a free entrance to LavaCon 2008 in Honolulu as a thank you for participating. Please take the survey when you have a minute? Mahalo! Jack Molisani The LavaCon Conference November 6-8, 2008 Honolulu, Hawaii www.lavacon.org 866-302-5774 x201 ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:38:03 +0200 From: Wim Hooghwinkel - iDTP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FrameMaker and Canto Cumulus or Extensis PortFolio To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Hello all, does anyone know of a plug in to connect the FrameMaker File-Import command to a Cumulus or PortFolio catalogue for searching and importing assets? Or some other way to use one of these asset manageent tools with FrameMaker to create referenced file imports? Thanks! -- Kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel International DTP DTP and Documentation Consultancy tel. +31652036811 www.idtp.eu ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:05:41 -0500 From: "Lief Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've used TortoiseSVN with my FrameMaker files (along with my insets) for a couple of years and have not had any problems. Some thoughts: + Are the files stored on a server or locally? If they're on a server, are the writers using mapped drives? Are the drives mapped with the same drive letter (e.g., F:\)? + If the files are updated to a local directory on the hard drive, are all writers using the same directory structure? This should be exactly the same so that relative paths are maintained. I'm not convinced it's an SVN problem. My guess is that it may be directory structure related. -Lief -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:40 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN My client started using imported text insets for some boilerplate paragraphs. In the folder tree, the folder of boilerplate source files is at the same level as the folder of the FM book. Both folders are checked into TortoiseSVN, an open-source client for Subversion, a version-control program. Every time a different writer opens a FM file that uses one of the text insets, s/he gets an error message from FM saying the text inset is unresolved. Re-importing the text inset fixes the problem for that writer. Every writer opens the same FM file and imports the same text inset, so there's no reason for FM to lose the link. We copied both folders to a location outside SVN and the problem did not occur, so it has something to do with SVN. By the way, the book folder contains a subfolder of Xrefed image files, and SVN doesn't interfere with those links. We're going to try Xrefing the text insets instead of importing them, but Xrefing them means we lose the formatting and markers (Index and Hypertext) in the source files. So ... anyone know what's going on here with SVN? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ____________________________ This email has been scanned. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:06:49 -0500 From: "Lief Erickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN To: <framers@lists.frameusers.com> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You would not need to get locks for any text insets. Just the main document (unless you are making changes to the text inset itself). With multiple writers it's good practice to use the exclusive lock feature of SVN with FrameMaker files. SVN can't merge FrameMaker's binary files and manually merging two writers' changes is a pain. Take my word for it. -Lief -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Feimster Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN Mike, This is shot in the dark, but are you using exclusive locks and the svn:needs-lock property? If so you might need to get locks for more than just the file you're opening. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:40 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Text Inset Problem with TortoiseSVN My client started using imported text insets for some boilerplate paragraphs. In the folder tree, the folder of boilerplate source files is at the same level as the folder of the FM book. Both folders are checked into TortoiseSVN, an open-source client for Subversion, a version-control program. Every time a different writer opens a FM file that uses one of the text insets, s/he gets an error message from FM saying the text inset is unresolved. Re-importing the text inset fixes the problem for that writer. Every writer opens the same FM file and imports the same text inset, so there's no reason for FM to lose the link. We copied both folders to a location outside SVN and the problem did not occur, so it has something to do with SVN. By the way, the book folder contains a subfolder of Xrefed image files, and SVN doesn't interfere with those links. We're going to try Xrefing the text insets instead of importing them, but Xrefing them means we lose the formatting and markers (Index and Hypertext) in the source files. So ... anyone know what's going on here with SVN? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mike.feimster%40acst echnologies.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ____________________________ This email has been scanned. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:40:44 -0400 From: Jim Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed We're currently using WWP 2003 to generate CHM from our Frame docs, but since there's no support past FM 7.2, we're evaluating our options. This week I've been looking at Mif2Go. We want to make the most of our existing Frame markup for Related Topic buttons and drop-down hotspots. Out of the box, Mif2Go doesn't support the WWP system for drop-down hotspots, and it doesn't support buttons based on a Related Topics list. (ALinks and KLinks are supported.) But Mif2Go has a macro language that seems to be up to the task. The necessary macros would be virtually the same for anyone contemplating a migration from WWP. This leads me to ask whether anyone has already developed "boilerplate" macros that they are willing to share. ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:24:29 -0700 From: "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Menu name To: "Framers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu displays below? Thank you, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .com <blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:45:28 -0400 From: Stuart Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Menu name To: "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Framers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Flato, Gillian wrote: > Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the > plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu > displays below? > Microsoft MoS: "expand, collapse "Pertains to a folder or outline. The user can expand or collapse these structures to see more or fewer subentries. A plus sign next to a folder indicates that it can be expanded to show more folders; a minus sign indicates that it can be collapsed." Does that help? -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com I'll stop saying Microsoft is arrogant when Windows stops saying "Welcome" and instead asks "May I?" ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:44:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Menu name To: "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Framers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MS Manual of Style for Technical Publications calls it several different terms, depending on the functionality. See Dialog Boxes and Property Sheets in the MS MoS. HTH Rene L. Stephenson ----- Original Message ---- From: "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Framers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:24:29 PM Subject: Menu name Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu displays below? Thank you, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 (408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> .com <blocked::mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _______________________________________________ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:02:27 -0700 From: "Jeremy H. Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: finding Mif2Go macros to replace WWP functionality To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:40:44 -0400, Jim Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >We're currently using WWP 2003 to generate CHM from our Frame docs, but >since there's no support past FM 7.2, we're evaluating our options. This >week I've been looking at Mif2Go. Good! You're not the only WWP user doing that... ;-) >We want to make the most of our existing Frame markup for Related Topic >buttons and drop-down hotspots. Out of the box, Mif2Go doesn't support >the WWP system for drop-down hotspots, We do have one of our own with the usual large set of options. See User's Guide par. 6.9, "Including expandable sections in Help topics". We're not familiar with the WWP method, but if you tell us what the markup for it is in Frame, we'll see what we can do to support that out of the box. >and it doesn't support buttons based on a Related Topics list. >(ALinks and KLinks are supported.) I don't quite understand that; "Related Topics" *are* ALinks. See par. 8.6.3, "Configuring ALink and KLink jumps for HTML Help". You might also want to look at our browser-based OmniHelp; we have a different way of using ALinks in it that provides a more consistent navigation UI. We added a tab in the left navigation pane for Related, and show all the topics that share an ALink with the current topic in it. No button or popup list needed. >But Mif2Go has a macro language that seems to be up to the task. The >necessary macros would be virtually the same for anyone contemplating a >migration from WWP. This leads me to ask whether anyone has already >developed "boilerplate" macros that they are willing to share. We'd like to know that too; if they exist, we'd be happy to include them in the User's Guide, and in a macro library file that would be part of the distro. We don't actually have WWP ourselves, so we'll need the help of those migrating to Mif2Go from WWP to do that. Thank you for raising this issue! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:09:25 -0600 From: "Combs, Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Menu name To: "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Framers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Flato, Gillian wrote: > Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you > click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the > minus sign and the menu displays below? An abomination? ;-) I've commonly seen the plus/minus boxes as nodes in a directory or tree structure, but I don't think I've ever seen a _menu_ that used them. And I'd rather not. But maybe I'm thinking of the term "menu" too narrowly -- to me, it's a set of commands listed under one of several top-level names (like File or Edit), or displayed in response to a right mouse click (context menu). If you're using the term more broadly to refer to a list of values, options, etc., I'd call it a list. If my audience were computer novices, I'd call it a "drop-down list" and explain how to display it. But only for real novices. In general, I don't name interface elements, just their labels. If necessary for clarity, I'll refer to the X list, Y box, or Z button. But I generally don't use terms like combo list, drop-down list, multi-edit box, tree node, etc. Readers usually don't care what interface designers call some widget as long as they can find it and understand what to do with it. Pretty much everyone who isn't completely new to computers knows how menus, lists, trees, buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons work. HTH! Richard ------ Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 ------ rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 ------ ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 10:14:09 +1200 From: Alan Litchfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Menu name To: Framers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes I too do not recall seeing these referred to as menus, but they often turn up as states of a hierarchical information tree that gives access to various program functions. The two states being expanded (-) or collapsed (+). If I were to call it anything I guess it would be a tree and use terms like "click [x] to expand", "click [x] to collapse", "click on [x], then...", etc. Usually the trees I have seen are within a zone on the interface and so I tend to refer to the zone's name, so "in [zone y], click on [x]", ...". Cheers Alan On 11/04/2008, at 8:09 AM, Combs, Richard wrote: > Flato, Gillian wrote: > >> Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you >> click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the >> minus sign and the menu displays below? > > An abomination? ;-) > > I've commonly seen the plus/minus boxes as nodes in a directory or > tree > structure, but I don't think I've ever seen a _menu_ that used them. > And > I'd rather not. > > But maybe I'm thinking of the term "menu" too narrowly -- to me, > it's a > set of commands listed under one of several top-level names (like File > or Edit), or displayed in response to a right mouse click (context > menu). > > If you're using the term more broadly to refer to a list of values, > options, etc., I'd call it a list. If my audience were computer > novices, > I'd call it a "drop-down list" and explain how to display it. But only > for real novices. > > In general, I don't name interface elements, just their labels. If > necessary for clarity, I'll refer to the X list, Y box, or Z button. > But > I generally don't use terms like combo list, drop-down list, multi- > edit > box, tree node, etc. Readers usually don't care what interface > designers > call some widget as long as they can find it and understand what to do > with it. > > Pretty much everyone who isn't completely new to computers knows how > menus, lists, trees, buttons, check boxes, and radio buttons work. > > HTH! > Richard > > > ------ > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > ------ > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > ------ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140 http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:35:56 +1200 From: "rebecca officer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Menu name To: "Framers List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Gillian Flato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII We've called them a "tree menu" in the past. That gets 944000 hits on google. Seems to be a javascript term. "Expanding menu" is also a javascript term but looks like it's not for those +/- menus. Cheers, Rebecca >>> "Flato, Gillian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 11/04/08 06:24 >>> Does anyone know what to call the type of menu where you click on the plus sign and then the plus sign changes to the minus sign and the menu displays below? NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. 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