Re: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:55:55 -0700, "Mary Saifuku" wrote: >I'm using unstructured FM 7.2 p158 on Windows XP Pro SP3. > >My client has several manuals that need to be updated with a new template. >Everything has gone well with all of the books until now. > >A strange phenomenon is happening with the generated TOCs in a few of the >books. The first heading in each chapter appears as the last heading in the >previous chapter. Here's an example (errant entries are italicized): > >CONTENTS > About this guide > Conventions > Zucchini > >1. Vegetables > Potato > Squash > Broccoli > Orange > >2. Fruits > Apple > Banana > Mango > >I've checked the TOC reference page and it's exactly the same as the TOC >reference pages in the manuals with TOCs that are okay. Any idea on what >could be wrong? Yes. On the first page of your chapters, the chapter title is in a text frame that is not connected to the body text frame on its page. So the body text, containing the subhead, is processed before the title. The solution is to connect the text frame with the title to the body text frame on your First master page. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
Tori, Thank you--your answer was spot-on! All I had to do was select each chapter's text box containing the chapter heading, right-click, and choose Send to Back. Now my TOC is happy and so am I. Mary -Original Message- From: Tori Muir [mailto:tm...@spot-on-creative.com] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 3:46 PM To: Mary Saifuku Subject: Re: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter Mary, I've seen this happen when the text box containing the chapter heading is a different box than the rest of the text. I forget if it needs to be front-most or back-most to be first, but it's one of the two. If, on the other hand, this is all in one text box, I'm stumped. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/16/10 11:55 AM, Mary Saifuku wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I'm using unstructured FM 7.2 p158 on Windows XP Pro SP3. > > > > My client has several manuals that need to be updated with a new template. > Everything has gone well with all of the books until now. > > > > A strange phenomenon is happening with the generated TOCs in a few of the > books. The first heading in each chapter appears as the last heading in the > previous chapter. Here's an example (errant entries are italicized): > > > > CONTENTS > > > > About this guide > > Conventions > > Zucchini > > > > 1. Vegetables > > Potato > > Squash > > Broccoli > > Orange > > > > 2. Fruits > > Apple > > Banana > > Mango > > > > I've checked the TOC reference page and it's exactly the same as the TOC > reference pages in the manuals with TOCs that are okay. Any idea on what > could be wrong? > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mary > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative .com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
Thanks, Jeremy, for shedding light on this. In my files, the chapter title is in a text frame on the first page, not on the First master page. Per Tori's suggestion, I modified my chapter template by selecting the text frame with the title, right-clicking, and choosing Send to Back. This solves the problem. Is there an advantage to putting the text frame on the First master page and connecting the frame with the title to the body text frame? -Original Message- From: Jeremy H. Griffith [mailto:jer...@omsys.com] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 6:55 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Mary Saifuku Subject: Re: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter On Fri, 16 Apr 2010 11:55:55 -0700, "Mary Saifuku" wrote: >I'm using unstructured FM 7.2 p158 on Windows XP Pro SP3. > >My client has several manuals that need to be updated with a new template. >Everything has gone well with all of the books until now. > >A strange phenomenon is happening with the generated TOCs in a few of the >books. The first heading in each chapter appears as the last heading in the >previous chapter. Here's an example (errant entries are italicized): > >CONTENTS > About this guide > Conventions > Zucchini > >1. Vegetables > Potato > Squash > Broccoli > Orange > >2. Fruits > Apple > Banana > Mango > >I've checked the TOC reference page and it's exactly the same as the TOC >reference pages in the manuals with TOCs that are okay. Any idea on what >could be wrong? Yes. On the first page of your chapters, the chapter title is in a text frame that is not connected to the body text frame on its page. So the body text, containing the subhead, is processed before the title. The solution is to connect the text frame with the title to the body text frame on your First master page. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
Mary Saifuku wrote:
> Thanks, Jeremy, for shedding light on this. In my files, the chapter title
> is in a text frame on the first page, not on the First master page.
>
> Per Tori's suggestion, I modified my chapter template by selecting the text
> frame with the title, right-clicking, and choosing Send to Back. This
> solves
> the problem.
>
> Is there an advantage to putting the text frame on the First master page
> and
> connecting the frame with the title to the body text frame?
I'm afraid you've misunderstood Jeremy (and maybe the nature/role of master
pages?). You can't connect a master page frame to a body page frame. Master
pages are the _templates_ from which your body pages are created.
The first page of your chapter apparently contains two disconnected text flows.
Using Tori's suggestion, you've changed the order in which FM scans those
flows. Jeremy was suggesting a more fundamental solution: don't use two
separate flows. Connect the text frames so that pressing Enter at the end of
the chapter title creates a new paragraph in the main ("body text") frame below
it.
The help and manual contain information about text flows and
connecting/disconnecting them. But probably the simplest way to do this in your
situation is to recreate the main ("body text") frame on the First master page.
First, delete the main ("body text") frame. Next, make sure the text frame for
the chapter title has Autoconnect turned on and its flow tag is A. Then,
recreate the main text frame. In the Add New Text Frame dialog, select Template
for Body Page Text Frame and set Flow Tag to A. FM informs you that the new
text frame has been connected to the end of flow A.
Now, pages that use the First master page will have only one text flow instead
of two.
NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame to the
body page instead of the master page. If you did that, you'll have to reapply
the First master page to fix it.
HTH!
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
> NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame to the body page > instead of the master page. If you did that, you'll have to reapply the First master page to fix it. [MB] Why is the chapter title in a text frame in the first place? Are you using effects that can't be created by character and paragraph tags? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
I can't speak for Mary's document(s), but in the case of our document, it's that way because the client decided they wanted the chapter titles and subtitles to run vertically up the left side of the first page in each chapter. Even better, they decided this at the last minute for a 400+-page manual that was already completely formatted. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 4/19/10 4:02 PM, Mike Bradley wrote: NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame to the body page instead of the master page. If you did that, you'll have to reapply the First master page to fix it. [MB] Why is the chapter title in a text frame in the first place? Are you using effects that can't be created by character and paragraph tags? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
Richard,
Thanks for your reply. I think I do understand the role of master pages and
I wasn't trying to connect a master page frame to a body page frame.
As you suspected, I had a chapter title text frame on the body page instead
of the master page. That's why Tori's suggestion worked...I changed the
order in which FM scans these flows.
The better method is to do what you suggested...have the chapter title text
frame on the master page as part of flow A and have it connected to the main
text frame. I will do this from this point forward. Due to time constraints,
I was using Tori's quick fix for now, but I'll use the better option from
now on.
Again, many thanks for helping me out. Sorry if I wasn't clear in my email.
Mary
-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 1:16 PM
To: 'Mary Saifuku'
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
Mary Saifuku wrote:
> Thanks, Jeremy, for shedding light on this. In my files, the chapter title
> is in a text frame on the first page, not on the First master page.
>
> Per Tori's suggestion, I modified my chapter template by selecting the
text
> frame with the title, right-clicking, and choosing Send to Back. This
> solves
> the problem.
>
> Is there an advantage to putting the text frame on the First master page
> and
> connecting the frame with the title to the body text frame?
I'm afraid you've misunderstood Jeremy (and maybe the nature/role of master
pages?). You can't connect a master page frame to a body page frame. Master
pages are the _templates_ from which your body pages are created.
The first page of your chapter apparently contains two disconnected text
flows. Using Tori's suggestion, you've changed the order in which FM scans
those flows. Jeremy was suggesting a more fundamental solution: don't use
two separate flows. Connect the text frames so that pressing Enter at the
end of the chapter title creates a new paragraph in the main ("body text")
frame below it.
The help and manual contain information about text flows and
connecting/disconnecting them. But probably the simplest way to do this in
your situation is to recreate the main ("body text") frame on the First
master page.
First, delete the main ("body text") frame. Next, make sure the text frame
for the chapter title has Autoconnect turned on and its flow tag is A. Then,
recreate the main text frame. In the Add New Text Frame dialog, select
Template for Body Page Text Frame and set Flow Tag to A. FM informs you that
the new text frame has been connected to the end of flow A.
Now, pages that use the First master page will have only one text flow
instead of two.
NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame to
the body page instead of the master page. If you did that, you'll have to
reapply the First master page to fix it.
HTH!
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
Good point, Mike. I inherited a template and only had time to make minor tweaks. On the next go-round, I probably won't put the chapter title in a text frame! Instead, as you suggest, I will create the same look and feel using paragraph and character styles. Mary -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Bradley Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 4:02 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter > NOTE: This assumes that you didn't just add the chapter title text frame to the body page > instead of the master page. If you did that, you'll have to reapply the First master page to fix it. [MB] Why is the chapter title in a text frame in the first place? Are you using effects that can't be created by character and paragraph tags? = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as mary.saif...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mary.saifuku%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Generated TOC entries appear in wrong chapter
On Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:19:19 -0700, "Mary Saifuku" wrote: >Good point, Mike. I inherited a template and only had time to make minor >tweaks. On the next go-round, I probably won't put the chapter title in a >text frame! Instead, as you suggest, I will create the same look and feel >using paragraph and character styles. Yes, IMHO that would be better practice. About the only case where you can't do that is if you have to rotate the text, like poor Tori had to do, which is kind of awful anyway in itself. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
