Re: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [wasRe: defaultreply-to-all ]
ABOUT THE PROBLEM: The other thing that's easy to do is to add documentation to each message. ;- ) For instance, my Mailman and Google lists have a line above the message text that says: Remember to ReplyAll to continue the thread because Reply is set to go to the author. Works both ways though, and it works most of the time. ABOUT THE LIST: I believe Brad started and owned the frameusers.com site and list; then sold out/merged into the company that publishes the techwriter site and list. SInce then, framerusers has sort of been in an autopilot / benign neglect state. While it still carries decent traffic, I think the Adobe FM users forumn actually has as much info. And the free-framers list hosted by Omsys tends to have lower traffic but more technical / tougher problems and solutions. Art On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Matt Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lisa Bronson is now Lisa Gielczyk (like SpellCheck, as she says) Or so says the business card she handed me last summer. Which is the only way I would have been able to get the spelling right. I don't believe she still has a hand in moderation. Sent via reply to all with little effort, but great anxiety about the political and usability ramifications. -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Findon Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:13 AM To: Framers Subject: Re: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [wasRe: defaultreply-to-all ] On 19 May 2008, at 21:16, Mike Bradley wrote: Does this list have a moderator? Could you poll the list so that we can settle this the democratic way? I think Lisa Bronson took over as list mom in 2005. Before that it was Bradley Anderson. Neither have posted anything to this list for awhile. Perhaps there are some changes going on behind the scenes because the frameusers.com Web site has been down for sometime. A poll sounds good. Lisa, Brad, Anyone? Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [wasRe: defaultreply-to-all ]
Or - and this may just me thinking crazy again - pay attention when replying to a list message. Seriously folks, this is getting silly. I'm on more mailing lists than I can count on my fingers and toes, and they don't all behave the same. Exercising 2 seconds worth of discipline to figure out where your message is going isn't a hardship. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ABOUT THE PROBLEM: The other thing that's easy to do is to add documentation to each message. ;- ) -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [wasRe: defaultreply-to-all ]
Mike Bradley wrote: Actually, it doesn't give us the effect we want at all. Not that I'm religious about it, but with Reply to All, the sender of the message to which I reply gets two copies, one sent to him/her and one to the list. This doubles the Internet traffic needlessly, whereas Reply to List sends only one message. Sometimes, as with this message, it quadruples the Internet traffic, because there were 3 cc's on the posting. Personally, I find getting duplicate replies annoying and I think sending them is rude, but if everyone who posts messages doesn't mind getting duplicate replies, so be it. You can avoid getting those duplicates by changing your list membership settings. Log into your mailing list account using the personalized URL at the bottom of list messages to you. Scroll down to the gray table of list options. The last option is: Avoid duplicate copies of messages? When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can opt to not receive another copy from the mailing list. Select Yes to avoid receiving copies from the mailing list; select No to receive copies. Set this to Yes and click Submit My Changes. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [wasRe: defaultreply-to-all ]
Lisa Bronson is now Lisa Gielczyk (like SpellCheck, as she says) Or so says the business card she handed me last summer. Which is the only way I would have been able to get the spelling right. I don't believe she still has a hand in moderation. Sent via reply to all with little effort, but great anxiety about the political and usability ramifications. -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Findon Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:13 AM To: Framers Subject: Re: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [wasRe: defaultreply-to-all ] On 19 May 2008, at 21:16, Mike Bradley wrote: Does this list have a moderator? Could you poll the list so that we can settle this the democratic way? I think Lisa Bronson took over as list mom in 2005. Before that it was Bradley Anderson. Neither have posted anything to this list for awhile. Perhaps there are some changes going on behind the scenes because the frameusers.com Web site has been down for sometime. A poll sounds good. Lisa, Brad, Anyone? Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Haven't we learnt anything about usability? [wasRe: defaultreply-to-all ]
Hi, Mike. May I simply suggest that you and Paul (and others who want that e-mail client behavior) simply do a Reply to All *each and every time* you want to reply to a Frame Users List message, and you will get the effect you want? Actually, it doesn't give us the effect we want at all. Not that I'm religious about it, but with Reply to All, the sender of the message to which I reply gets two copies, one sent to him/her and one to the list. This doubles the Internet traffic needlessly, whereas Reply to List sends only one message. A point ... but this is pretty darn minor, I would think(?) It is not a busy list per se. Sometimes, as with this message, it quadruples the Internet traffic, because there were 3 cc's on the posting. But, if the same person is included three (or more) times on a Cc, mail servers filter that out anyway. Does this list have a moderator? Could you poll the list so that we can settle this the democratic way? I'd rather not see it change, because I am used to the way this list operates currently. But, if the consensus is to go the other way, then I will change my expectations too and work without letting it bug me. I think we are worrying about this more than we need to - the real object is to deal with FrameMaker questions. So, I will go quiet now on this topic ... Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
