RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Susan, You wrote: Reminder: FM7 and Acrobat Distiller 5.0 on Vista Enterprise Option 2 worked great. But I have a question. In that setup page there is this note (partial excerpt): If you always regenerate PDF after adding new links, turn this setting OFF. This is the recommended setting. I regenerate the FM file to do updates and to get ready to make a new PDF,,, but I'm not regenerating a PDF file. Could you please explain this for me? I'm afraid you have to try and and approach the original author for an explanation of the recommendation present in the dialog box... The more named destinations you have in a PDF, the larger the file size is. This setting was introduced in FM6 to help reduce the PDF file size. When Create Named Destinations for All Pgfs is turned off , some cross-references and hypertext links may be non-functional in the PDF. I much prefer a PDF where all links work as expected, even if its file size is larger by 20-25%. If the file size is critical, I would recommend other ways to reduce the file size (including that portion related to named destinations, but not through FrameMaker). Unfortunately, there is no lack of PDFs authored in FM demonstrating the outcome of having this option turned off, including PDFs from Adobe -- see http://www.microtype.com/Hmmms.html#0605 (109 bad links in Adobe FrameMaker 7.2 Structure Application Developer's Guide). Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Liven up your PDFs with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants 1-hour webinar (free) Thursday, Sept. 10, starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: https://student.gototraining.com/register/8019702938678710980 . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Hi Shlomo, Reminder: FM7 and Acrobat Distiller 5.0 on Vista Enterprise Option 2 worked great. But I have a question. In that setup page there is this note (partial excerpt): If you always regenerate PDF after adding new links, turn this setting OFF. This is the recommended setting. I regenerate the FM file to do updates and to get ready to make a new PDF,,, but I'm not regenerating a PDF file. Could you please explain this for me? Thanks, Sue From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com] Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 10:59 PM To: Susan Curtzwiler Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please Two additional points: -- There are cases where the hypertext markers are all valid, yet the resulting link is very small due to the character format affecting the marker only (eg when copying a gotolink marker from one paragraph to another, with the two paragraphs having different character properties). You can fix this by first applying default paragraph font to the entire area, then apply the required character format to the link text. The link location/size can be inspected in Acrobat (when the Link tool is active). -- If the link works in FrameMaker (view only document, or regular document with Ctrl-Alt-click), but not in Acrobat: in FrameMaker's PDF Setup dialog box, turn on Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs (Links tab). A sample FM7 files which demonstrates a valid hypertext marker resulting in a non-functional link is available at: http://www.microtype.com/resources/bugs/dests_hypertext.zip ; the PDF link is fine when turning on Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs. Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com http://www.microtype.com/ FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Liven up your PDFs with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants 1-hour webinar (free) Thursday, Sept. 10, starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: https://student.gototraining.com/register/8019702938678710980 . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Sue, If you create a new link and give it the identifier checklist (as in your what I am doing procedure) then you should use that same ID as the destination when you insert the Jump to Named Destination hypertext marker. Perhaps it was inadvertent, but your example has different 'names' and I would not expect it to work, either in FM or PDF. Also note that the names are case-sensitive, so checklist and CheckList are different destination names. You will still see the hand pointer (as you hover over the hypertext marker), but because the names don't match, the jump can't find the target to move the insertion point. The validate function only really verifies that you have the syntax correct for the marker you're adding, not that the command will work as expected. After all, you could enter the goto commands first, then define the destinations as the second step... You can test a link by temporarily locking the document via Save as View Only or the escape sequence Esc F l k (four separate key presses: escape, Capital-F, lowercase-L lowercase-K ; this toggles the locked or view-only state of the document) or just hold the control and alt keys together as you hover over the hypertext marker. I hope this helps. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Susan Curtzwiler susa...@vmc.com wrote: I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise Adobe Reader 9.0 Adobe Distiller 5.0 I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days now. I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same document. It looks like you need to save as View Only in order to activate the link. I have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from point A to point B or in other words to go from the new link to the specified destination. Here is what I am doing. 1. Select the word or phrase that is the destination 2. ; Go to SpecialHypertext 3. In the Command box, select Specify Named Destination 4. In the Syntax box it says newlink and then next to that I type in the word to be found checklist all lower case 5. The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6. Click on New Hypertext Marker then I go to the starting point 1. Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 2. Go to SpecialHypertext 3. In the Command box, select Jump to Named Destination 4. In the Syntax box it says gotolink and then next to that I type in the word that was used at the destination point server all lowercase 5. The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6. Click on New Hypertext Marker So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. If I save as view only, I will get the hand pointer and it looks like it will work. However, if I click on it, nothing happens. If I make a PDF, nothing happens. Please, what am I missing? Thanks, Sue curtzwiler susa...@vmc.com – Les ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Susan Curtzwiler wrote: I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days now. I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same document. It looks like you need to save as View Only in order to activate the link. I have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from point A to point B or in other words to go from the new link to the specified destination. Here is what I am doing. 1.Select the word or phrase that is the destination 2.Go to SpecialHypertext 3.In the Command box, select Specify Named Destination 4.In the Syntax box it says newlink and then next to that I type in the word to be found checklist all lower case 5.The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6.Click on New Hypertext Marker then I go to the starting point 1.Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 2.Go to SpecialHypertext 3.In the Command box, select Jump to Named Destination 4.In the Syntax box it says gotolink and then next to that I type in the word that was used at the destination point server all lower case 5.The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6.Click on New Hypertext Marker Congrats, Susan, you've restarted the list! :-) You should be getting an error message when you create the link, since you have Validate Command upon Insertion selected and you're creating a hyperlink to a destination that doesn't exist. In your first step 4, you created a Named Destination, naming it checklist. That created a marker at the place you want to jump to. In the second step 4, when you create a Jump to Named Destination, you must enter the name you gave the destination -- checklist -- not the word at the destination point. The hyperlink points to a marker, not a word in the text flow. In this case, it should be the checklist marker you created to mark the destination. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Les, Sorry about that, my example is wrong... I am using the word ... checklist ... all lower case at both the go to and destination spots. I will work through your answer and see if it works. Thanks, Sue From: Les Smalley [mailto:l_c_smal...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 8:17 AM To: Susan Curtzwiler Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please Sue, If you create a new link and give it the identifier checklist (as in your what I am doing procedure) then you should use that same ID as the destination when you insert the Jump to Named Destination hypertext marker. Perhaps it was inadvertent, but your example has different 'names' and I would not expect it to work, either in FM or PDF. Also note that the names are case-sensitive, so checklist and CheckList are different destination names. You will still see the hand pointer (as you hover over the hypertext marker), but because the names don't match, the jump can't find the target to move the insertion point. The validate function only really verifies that you have the syntax correct for the marker you're adding, not that the command will work as expected. After all, you could enter the goto commands first, then define the destinations as the second step... You can test a link by temporarily locking the document via Save as View Only or the escape sequence Esc F l k (four separate key presses: escape, Capital-F, lowercase-L lowercase-K ; this toggles the locked or view-only state of the document) or just hold the control and alt keys together as you hover over the hypertext marker. I hope this helps. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Susan Curtzwiler susa...@vmc.com mailto:susa...@vmc.com wrote: I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise Adobe Reader 9.0 Adobe Distiller 5.0 I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days now. I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same document. It looks like you need to save as View Only in order to activate the link. I have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from point A to point B or in other words to go from the new link to the specified destination. Here is what I am doing. 1. Select the word or phrase that is the destination 2. ; Go to SpecialHypertext 3. In the Command box, select Specify Named Destination 4. In the Syntax box it says newlink and then next to that I type in the word to be found checklist all lower case 5. The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6. Click on New Hypertext Marker then I go to the starting point 1. Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 2. Go to SpecialHypertext 3. In the Command box, select Jump to Named Destination 4. In the Syntax box it says gotolink and then next to that I type in the word that was used at the destination point server all lowercase 5. The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6. Click on New Hypertext Marker So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. If I save as view only, I will get the hand pointer and it looks like it will work. However, if I click on it, nothing happens. If I make a PDF, nothing happens. Please, what am I missing? Thanks, Sue Curtzwiler susa...@vmc.com http://us.mc368.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=susa...@vmc.com - Les ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
A small addendum... The Validate will also do things like checking for the existence of the gotolink marker specified. You'll get a nastygram from Frame if you put in the gotolink prior to defining the newlink marker. -Matt Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training m...@grafixtraining.com www.grafixtraining.com office 714 960-6840 cell txt 714 585-2335 sms message skype: mattrsullivan twitter: mattrsullivan linkedin facebook -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Les Smalley Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:17 AM To: Susan Curtzwiler Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please Sue, If you create a new link and give it the identifier checklist (as in your what I am doing procedure) then you should use that same ID as the destination when you insert the Jump to Named Destination hypertext marker. Perhaps it was inadvertent, but your example has different 'names' and I would not expect it to work, either in FM or PDF. Also note that the names are case-sensitive, so checklist and CheckList are different destination names. You will still see the hand pointer (as you hover over the hypertext marker), but because the names don't match, the jump can't find the target to move the insertion point. The validate function only really verifies that you have the syntax correct for the marker you're adding, not that the command will work as expected. After all, you could enter the goto commands first, then define the destinations as the second step... You can test a link by temporarily locking the document via Save as View Only or the escape sequence Esc F l k (four separate key presses: escape, Capital-F, lowercase-L lowercase-K ; this toggles the locked or view-only state of the document) or just hold the control and alt keys together as you hover over the hypertext marker. I hope this helps. --- On Mon, 9/7/09, Susan Curtzwiler susa...@vmc.com wrote: I am using Frame 7.0 with Vista Enterprise Adobe Reader 9.0 Adobe Distiller 5.0 I have been reading and following the help files and the User Guide for days now. I cannot successfully and consistently make a simple link within the same document. It looks like you need to save as View Only in order to activate the link. I have done that and also saved regular and I cannot get the link to jump from point A to point B or in other words to go from the new link to the specified destination. Here is what I am doing. 1. Select the word or phrase that is the destination 2. ; Go to SpecialHypertext 3. In the Command box, select Specify Named Destination 4. In the Syntax box it says newlink and then next to that I type in the word to be found checklist all lower case 5. The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6. Click on New Hypertext Marker then I go to the starting point 1. Select the word or phrase that will be marked as the starting point 2. Go to SpecialHypertext 3. In the Command box, select Jump to Named Destination 4. In the Syntax box it says gotolink and then next to that I type in the word that was used at the destination point server all lowercase 5. The checkbox for Validate Command upon Insertion is checked 6. Click on New Hypertext Marker So, now from here is apparently where I get lost. If I save as view only, I will get the hand pointer and it looks like it will work. However, if I click on it, nothing happens. If I make a PDF, nothing happens. Please, what am I missing? Thanks, Sue curtzwiler susa...@vmc.com Les ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as m...@grafixtraining.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/matt%40grafixtraining.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Bill - That is a good possibility, especially since it is simply a link to text, not another link or URL . Thanks, Sue From: Bill Swallow [mailto:techcommd...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 9/8/2009 8:40 AM To: Susan Curtzwiler Cc: Les Smalley; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please Sue, Might a cross reference work better for you than a hyperlink? --- Bill Swallow http://techcommdood.com http://techcommdood.com/ Sent from my iPhone. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Sue, Might a cross reference work better for you than a hyperlink? --- Bill Swallow http://techcommdood.com Sent from my iPhone. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Help wth hyperlinks_Please
Two additional points: -- There are cases where the hypertext markers are all valid, yet the resulting link is very small due to the character format affecting the marker only (eg when copying a gotolink marker from one paragraph to another, with the two paragraphs having different character properties). You can fix this by first applying default paragraph font to the entire area, then apply the required character format to the link text. The link location/size can be inspected in Acrobat (when the Link tool is active). -- If the link works in FrameMaker (view only document, or regular document with Ctrl-Alt-click), but not in Acrobat: in FrameMaker's PDF Setup dialog box, turn on Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs (Links tab). A sample FM7 files which demonstrates a valid hypertext marker resulting in a non-functional link is available at: http://www.microtype.com/resources/bugs/dests_hypertext.zip ; the PDF link is fine when turning on Create Named Destinations for All Paragraphs. Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Liven up your PDFs with FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants 1-hour webinar (free) Thursday, Sept. 10, starting 10am PDT | 1pm EDT | 5pm UTC/GMT: https://student.gototraining.com/register/8019702938678710980 . ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
