RE: Hiding Pages?
At 14:39 -0400 8/6/06, Schoen, Brady wrote: What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? Brady - all the ideas presented here already would handle some or all of your issues if used correctly. However, from your description above, I wonder whether the variant information is not - or can be made not - part of the flow of the remainder of the document(s), *and* that entires page's contents are variant? If this is the case, possibly your simplest approach to conditional tags, which should get round the blank page issue you mention, is to place all the variant page content within an anchored frame, and conditionalize that. Turing off the tag will then conceal the entire frame's contents - rather than conditionalizing it item by item. If you try this, be aware that FrameMaker allows you to conditionalize *both* an anchored frame [i.e. its anchor] *and* the paragraph/text in which it lies. The results of not displaying the tagged material will differ: in one case only the frame will disappear, in the other its enclosing text/paragraph will also disappear. You probably want to tag the paragraph that encloses the anchored frame. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Actually, where I have worked in the past, we used a combination of both variables *and* conditional text for multiple versions of a product. FWIW. Chuck Beck -Original Message- Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much* more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change command). My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Likewise here, as well as text insets from Reference pages. Variables = Names, short strings (ex: Select this option to enable, xth, For more information, refer to:, etc.) Insets = Table cells whose contents are identical, functionality that appears repeated times (example we have a tab that appears for every analysis; while I could make it a general info entry, the other tabs in this dialog are discussed in detail for each individual analysis. This is for HTML, not hardcopy, which would mean jumping back and forth. With an insert, I can ensure that the same text appears for each analysis. (Yes, I should probably re-architect this document, but that's currently not an option.) Conditions = We deliver a product that has various function levels (Standard, Premium, Advanced). Each level subsumeds the entirety of the previous level. So I have tagged those features which aare in Premium and Advanced with Premium, and those which are in Advanced are also tagged with Advanced. Setting the condition removes the tagged item(s) from view. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beck, Charles Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:02 AM To: Ridder, Fred; Anne Robotti; Schoen, Brady Cc: framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? Actually, where I have worked in the past, we used a combination of both variables *and* conditional text for multiple versions of a product. FWIW. Chuck Beck -Original Message- Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much* more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much* more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change command). My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/grant.hogarth%40reut ers.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. To find out more about Reuters visit www.about.reuters.com Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Reuters Ltd. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hiding Pages?
Schoen, Brady wrote: I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't want shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and formating intact? Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. Thanks, Brady Brady, Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the info you need to do exactly what you want. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States. Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, graphics) that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that contain the content. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:37 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: 'framers@frameusers.com' Subject: Re: Hiding Pages? Schoen, Brady wrote: I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't want shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and formating intact? Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0. Thanks, Brady Brady, Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the info you need to do exactly what you want. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States. Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/fred.ridder%40intel. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, graphics) that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that contain the content. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access. (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
Schoen, Brady wrote: Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but you're using custom master pages? In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You can do this very quickly using File Save Book As. All four books would be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4 brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., Parts List, not Acme Parts List.) You originally said: decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them all. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. I never found a way around that problem and was reluctant to maintain different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact. Lauren Anthone, Senior Information Developer Lead, Information Development Department Gene Logic, Inc. 50 West Watkins Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Ph: 240.364.7611 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corporate Headquarters 610 Professional Drive Gaithersburg, MD 20879 Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/08/2006 04:08 PM To Schoen, Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc framers@frameusers.com Subject RE: Hiding Pages? Schoen, Brady wrote: Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but you're using custom master pages? In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You can do this very quickly using File Save Book As. All four books would be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4 brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., Parts List, not Acme Parts List.) You originally said: decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update everytime a change is made), and just change out the But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them all. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lanthone%40genelogic.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Hiding Pages?
But the ability to use the same component files in multiple different book files is one of the foundations of the FrameMaker book paradigm. There are some very good reasons for using structured FrameMaker, but it's really overkill if all you need to do is build several variant books that only have a few components that differ between the various books. That's the kind of situation FrameMaker books were designed to handle. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:31 PM To: Combs, Richard Cc: framers@frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. I never found a way around that problem and was reluctant to maintain different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact. Lauren Anthone, Senior Information Developer Lead, Information Development Department Gene Logic, Inc. 50 West Watkins Gaithersburg, MD 20878 Ph: 240.364.7611 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corporate Headquarters 610 Professional Drive Gaithersburg, MD 20879 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hiding Pages?
Why not maintain, as you say four books? Are the master pages different? Do they show the different brands (logoes or different text)? If that is the case, then I would suggest four book files with four sets of files which would be referencing by text inset the fifth (and main) set of files or chunks. What is specific would then be added directly into the type specific file (chapter?, section?). I would also suggest with Fred Ridder to use variables. Structured FM might be a good option here too. In many cases you can use attributes insetad of variables in structured FM, just like with XML. A lot of parts manuals are maintained in SGML/XML and/or Structured FM. But then I haven't seen your files, have I? Good luck. Bodvar On 6/8/06, Schoen, Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it at all possible to tag an entire page? What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items again. Any ideas? Thanks, Brady -Original Message- From: Anne Robotti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM To: Schoen, Brady Cc: framers@frameusers.com Subject: RE: Hiding Pages? Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text, graphics) that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that contain the content. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire book for a specific product. I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price, I imagine, but I digress.) So some of my lines look like Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for Ethernet Access when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB, ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into Configuring the ProdA for Ethernet Access. (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context than a page.) Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
