RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
> Yes, I agree with all. We never make changes using the toolbar. It is > just informational for us. > > Thanks again... Good! Sorry I got so emphatic in my e-mail, but it is one of my pet peeves about documentation problems and I got carried away. :) By the way, since you are just *looking* at the info rather than *applying* it, one other thing that you can do to see what the font, size, etc. are for a given location of the cursor is simple: Just leave the Char Designer menu open (or the Paragraph Designer menu open to the "Default Font" tab) and you can see *all* the format info on those menus wherever the cursor is placed! A large wide-screen helps, of course to leave those menus open at the side (I use a 24" wide-screen Dell LCD for this purpose). You can use the Leximation plug-in called "RestoreWindows" to bring those other menus up automatically ... see www.leximation.com for more info on this. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
Yes, I agree with all. We never make changes using the toolbar. It is just informational for us. Thanks again... Gary -Original Message- From: McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 2:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar While Syed and Richard are certainly right about applying changes with the toolbar, there's certainly nothing wrong with having font size information located at the top of the screen. For me, at least, having a quick visual cue about this without having to open a Designer window is a small time (and screen real estate) saver. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:12 PM To: Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar > Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many > others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size, > line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be > using defined pgf and char tags. EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you! In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the particular file. In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on. Z ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
While Syed and Richard are certainly right about applying changes with the toolbar, there's certainly nothing wrong with having font size information located at the top of the screen. For me, at least, having a quick visual cue about this without having to open a Designer window is a small time (and screen real estate) saver. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:12 PM To: Combs, Richard; Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar > Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many > others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size, > line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be > using defined pgf and char tags. EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you! In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the particular file. In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on. Z ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
> Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many > others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size, > line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be > using defined pgf and char tags. EXACTLY and TOTALLY right! Thank you! In other applications, the use (mostly overuse) of this capability is one of the things that I find most irritating ... when people mess with a particular document (Word documents and Powerpoint presentations are the worst!) and then expect things to NOT get screwed up when the template is changed or updated or someone applies the template to the particular file. In FrameMaker, the ability to create char tags, and apply them to text as needed, is a VITAL feature to prevent uncontrolled (usually accidental and unknowing) changes in the look and feel of text unrelated to what you might be modifying on the screen you are on. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
Thank you, Richard. I'll take a look at that. Yes, my colleague doesn't adjust formatting using these controls. She does L10N and it helps her in some way to see this information as she works. I'm not sure how or why, but she really wants to see it. I may be able to make her very happy now :>} Thank you to all who responded. As usual, you're great and I appreciate the time you take to help... Gary -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 1:35 PM To: Duncan, Gary; Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar Duncan, Gary wrote: > No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting > bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My > tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I > couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that. FM's toolbars, menus, and commands are specified in plain text configuration files and relatively easy to customize. See Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf in your FM installation's OnlineManuals directory. The first thing you may want to do is check the [Files] section of maker.ini to see if a custom toolbar configuration file has been installed. Something like this: ToolBarIniFile=fminit\configui\PolycomFMToolbr.ini Open either your custom toolbar file, if any, or the default (FMToolbr.ini) and find the [Ribbon Bar] section. Mine (FM 7.2) looks like this (I've disabled ad hoc formatting controls): [RibbonBar] HEIGHT=26 Y_OFFSET=1 AlignmentPopup=Off SpacingPopup=Off TabWell=On ParaFormatPalette=On CharFormatPalette=On FontChoice=Off SizePopup=Off CopySpecial=On Repeats=On AlignWell=Off SpacingWell=Off The order is unchanged from the default, so in a standard FM 7.2 install, the font size list should follow the font list, not the pgf tag list. In any case, if SizePopup=Off, change it to On, save, and start/restart FM. That should restore the control. If SizePopup is already On, then ... you got me, something's wrong somewhere. :-} Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size, line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be using defined pgf and char tags. Speaking of customizing FM, you may want to look into Shlomo Perets' customization kit (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html). My own customizations were built on an earlier version of that, and I highly recommend it -- you get a _bunch_ of extremely useful new controls, commands, shortcuts, etc. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
Duncan, Gary wrote: > No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting > bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My > tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I > couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that. FM's toolbars, menus, and commands are specified in plain text configuration files and relatively easy to customize. See Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf in your FM installation's OnlineManuals directory. The first thing you may want to do is check the [Files] section of maker.ini to see if a custom toolbar configuration file has been installed. Something like this: ToolBarIniFile=fminit\configui\PolycomFMToolbr.ini Open either your custom toolbar file, if any, or the default (FMToolbr.ini) and find the [Ribbon Bar] section. Mine (FM 7.2) looks like this (I've disabled ad hoc formatting controls): [RibbonBar] HEIGHT=26 Y_OFFSET=1 AlignmentPopup=Off SpacingPopup=Off TabWell=On ParaFormatPalette=On CharFormatPalette=On FontChoice=Off SizePopup=Off CopySpecial=On Repeats=On AlignWell=Off SpacingWell=Off The order is unchanged from the default, so in a standard FM 7.2 install, the font size list should follow the font list, not the pgf tag list. In any case, if SizePopup=Off, change it to On, save, and start/restart FM. That should restore the control. If SizePopup is already On, then ... you got me, something's wrong somewhere. :-} Personally, I think you're better off with that control -- and many others -- turned off. You shouldn't be applying alignment, font, size, line spacing, bold, italic, etc., with ad hoc controls; you should be using defined pgf and char tags. Speaking of customizing FM, you may want to look into Shlomo Perets' customization kit (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html). My own customizations were built on an earlier version of that, and I highly recommend it -- you get a _bunch_ of extremely useful new controls, commands, shortcuts, etc. HTH! Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
Which version of FrameMaker are you using? Several new icons were added to the formatting toolbar for V7.2, including the one for font size. If you have a previous version of FrameMaker chances are you won't have the new icon. Phil Heron Technical Writer - CODA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duncan, Gary Sent: 06 June 2008 14:55 To: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that. -Original Message- From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM To: Duncan, Gary Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar You mean: View > Formatting Bar ? Bodvar On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show on > the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot > remember how I got it to show. > > > > Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar? > > > > Thank you... > > > > Gary > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious." -- Edsel Murphy, dec. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/phil.heron%40coda.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ This e-mail has been sent by CODA plc or one of its subsidiaries (CODA GB Ltd or CODA Group International Ltd). The information in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. It may not be disclosed to, or used by, anyone other than the addressee. If you receive this message in error, please advise us immediately. Internet emails are not necessarily secure. CODA does not accept responsibility for changes to any email which occur after the email has been sent. Attachments to this email may contain software viruses, which could damage your systems. CODA has checked the attachments for viruses before sending, but you should virus-check them before opening. CODA plc: Registered in England 5861419 Registered Office: Methuen Park, Chippenham SN14 0GB CODA GB Ltd: Registered in England 3909530 Registered Office: Methuen Park, Chippenham SN14 0GB CODA Group International Ltd: Registered in England 3938996 Registered Office: Methuen Park, Chippenham SN14 0GB Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
Does your colleague have any custom utilities installed? Do you? Some tools reprogrammed the formatting bar to show alternative information, so I suspect the differences between the two copies are a result of having some third-party tool loaded which modifies to toolbar. On Friday, June 06, 2008 09:55, Duncan, Gary wrote: | No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting | bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My | tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I | couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that. | | -Original Message- | From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM | To: Duncan, Gary | Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com | Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar | | You mean: View > Formatting Bar ? | | Bodvar | | On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | wrote: | | > Hi everyone, | | > A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show on | > the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot | > remember how I got it to show. | > | > Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar? | > | > Thank you... | > | > | > Gary - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
No, I mean how do you include the font size indicator in the formatting bar. My colleague has everything up to the paragraph tag indicator. My tool bar shows the font size directly to the right of that field. I couldn't find a way to customize the tool bar to include that. -Original Message- From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 8:08 AM To: Duncan, Gary Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar You mean: View > Formatting Bar ? Bodvar On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show on > the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot > remember how I got it to show. > > > > Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar? > > > > Thank you... > > > > Gary > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious." -- Edsel Murphy, dec. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How to include font size indicator on formatting toolbar
You mean: View > Formatting Bar ? Bodvar On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Duncan, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > > > A colleague wants to know how to get the font size indicator to show on > the Frame formatting toolbar. This shows on my tool bar but I cannot > remember how I got it to show. > > > > Does anyone know how to make this show on the toolbar? > > > > Thank you... > > > > Gary > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- "It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious." -- Edsel Murphy, dec. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
