Re: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
I've used the upper level tier (they keep changing the name -- I think it's Professional, or Personal Business today) of Quicken for consulting and small business stuff. Works fine and it's more intuitive and better integrated with the regular money management tools. And the accountants can easily read in the files. I'd look at it before I plunged into the formal accounting packages which are probably more powerful than you need. Art On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Mike Wickham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any feedback on it? I'm sure you can find negative reviews for any accounting program. PC Magazine seems to give QuickBooks the highest rating every year for over a decade. I use it, and find it much easier than a program I used previously, and completely dependable. Others have said the interface isn't intuitive, but I don't see how it could get any more so. The opening window is a series of flowcharts divided into things you do with customers, vendors, etc. The flowcharts contain choices like Create Invoice, Accept Payment, Pay Bills, etc. So even a novice should be able to make correct choices most of the time. Once you know what you're doing, you'll be clicking icons in the toolbar, instead of items in a flowchart. Of course, even an intuitive interface doesn't make it automatically easy! If one knows nothing of accounting procedures, he'll still get lost because he won't know which accounts to set up, or the difference between how to enter the buying of a new printer or the buying of paper for it. (One is an asset; the other an expense.) If one doesn't know accounting procedures such as these, his financial records will become screwed up royally-- and it doesn't matter which software program he uses. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
Rick, I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any feedback on it? I'm sure you can find negative reviews for any accounting program. PC Magazine seems to give QuickBooks the highest rating every year for over a decade. I use it, and find it much easier than a program I used previously, and completely dependable. Others have said the interface isn't intuitive, but I don't see how it could get any more so. The opening window is a series of flowcharts divided into things you do with customers, vendors, etc. The flowcharts contain choices like Create Invoice, Accept Payment, Pay Bills, etc. So even a novice should be able to make correct choices most of the time. Once you know what you're doing, you'll be clicking icons in the toolbar, instead of items in a flowchart. Of course, even an intuitive interface doesn't make it automatically easy! If one knows nothing of accounting procedures, he'll still get lost because he won't know which accounts to set up, or the difference between how to enter the buying of a new printer or the buying of paper for it. (One is an asset; the other an expense.) If one doesn't know accounting procedures such as these, his financial records will become screwed up royally-- and it doesn't matter which software program he uses. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
Rick, My husband and I use QuickBooks Smart Start - it's made much more for the small business owner and it doesn't have all the unnecessary bells and whistles for a small business that more advanced versions (like Pro) has. There's also a great dummies book for SmartStart. We have it and between that and the ease of the application, it is so perfect for a small business owner. HTH, TVB -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008 Hello Framers, First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post. I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any feedback on it? Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
My wife uses QB Pro in her (very) small business. It's probably a great product for your accountant to use, but we find it fiendishly non-intuitive. Once you manage to mess something up, like importing external data into an account, it's almost impossible to un-mess it. Clint Clint Owen Technical Publications Crane Aerospace Electronics 425-743-8674 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008 Hello Framers, First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post. I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any feedback on it? Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the below survey link to tell us how we are doing. http://www.craneae.com/surveys/satisfaction.htm Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us! Thank you for your time! ## Attention: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. This email was scanned and cleared by MailMarshal. ## ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
Rick Quatro wrote: I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any feedback on it? I think accountants would like nothing better than to have every one of their clients using QuickBooks. They know it, their software works with its files, and life is easier for them. QuickBooks is the accepted standard -- the MS Word of business bookkeeping software (make of that comparison what you will g). IMHO, it's way overkill for the very small business and, as Clint noted, can be rather non-intuitive for someone with limited knowledge of accounting and bookkeeping. But I don't know what to suggest as a simpler alternative. Some version of Quicken or MS Money may be able to handle an S corporation (if that's the route you're going), but I'm not sure; the low-end versions I've played with could only handle sole proprietorships. About 12 or 13 years ago, Quicken/Intuit bought Parsons Technology, which made the bookkeeping software I was using, MoneyCounts Business (a DOS-based program, for those who remember that). I was notified that MoneyCounts was going away and given an attractive upgrade deal for QuickBooks. I bit. But after spending some time with QuickBooks and seeing how much less user-friendly it was than MoneyCounts (without adding much functionality to compensate), I decided not to switch. I'm still using my 1994 version of MoneyCounts today, running it on an ancient Win98 box. And here's the kicker: In 1999, Quicken notified me that my version of QuickBooks wasn't Y2K compliant and would simply stop working at the end of the year. My 1994 version of MoneyCounts had no problem at all with Y2K. Happy weekend! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
One other possibility to think about (it is not Intuit) ... Microsoft has a freebie available that may fit the need: Microsoft Accounting Express 2008. Check out the info here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/accountingexpress/FX101729681033.aspx. This is designed for small businesses. Finally, The Price Is Right for this software. :) Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008 Hello Framers, First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post. I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any feedback on it? Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
I write accounting software reviews for Accounting Technology magazine this time every year. (This year's covered several different versions of Peachtree, MS Office Accounting Professional, QB Pro and QB Premier, MYOB, and Simply Accounting.) MS Office Accounting Express is definitely free and may be adequate for simple bookkeeping at the level Rick may need. It tends to like using MS Office 2007, but that's not an absolute essential as I recall. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com -- website Region 7 Director, STC 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (primary email) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (secondary email) At 04:01 PM 4/25/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One other possibility to think about (it is not Intuit) ... Microsoft has a freebie available that may fit the need: Microsoft Accounting Express 2008. Check out the info here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/accountingexpress/FX101729681033.aspx. This is designed for small businesses. Finally, The Price Is Right for this software. :) Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008 Hello Framers, First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post. I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any feedback on it? Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john%40hedtke.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
