RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Rick Quatro
Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.

Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my
script ($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user
variables, characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find: 
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to,
and column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the
document's catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the
document,
the find format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column
one, its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and
subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the 
book or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder,
the log will be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.


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RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Martinek, Carla


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Subject: RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.

Alan

Although I am happy to recommend other tools, I should point out that my script 
($80 and requires FrameScript) handles a lot of format types at once.
Here are the instructions from the script:

/*
This script changes cross-references, paragraphs, tables, user variables, 
characters, etc. from one format to another.
You can optionally delete the old format from the document's catalog.

The script requires a batch file containing four columns.
Column 1 lists the type of format to find:
  X for cross-reference
  P for paragraph
  T for table
  V for variable
  C for character format
  CO for condition format
  MP for master page
  M for marker type
  CL for color

Column 2 lists the format to find, column 3 lists the format to change to, and 
column 4 contains a Y if you want to delete the old format from the document's 
catalog. If the format in column 3 does not exist in the document, the find 
format will be renamed to the change format.

The enclosed FindChangeFormatBatch.fm can be used as a batch file.

To simply delete a format from the catalog, put its format type in column one, 
its name in column 2, and a Y in column 4. Leave column 3 blank.

Format names are case-sensitive.

The script can be run on a single document, book, or folder (and subfolders).
The results of the script are recorded in a log which is saved in the same 
folder as the book, document, or folder. It will have the same name as the book 
or document, but with a .log extension. If you run it on a folder, the log will 
be in that folder and be called FindChangeFormatsBatch.log.


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
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RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Combs, Richard
Alan T Litchfield wrote:
 
 Paragraph Tools is good value for money. You should also use Character
 Tools for those pesky unused character styles and formats.
 
 Alan
 
 On 20/03/13 3:00 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
  Hi John,
 
  My FindChangeFormats plugin does one format at a time. It doesn't
  require FrameScript. I have a FindChangeFormatsBatch that can do
  hundreds of formats at once, but it requires FrameScript. If you don't
  want to buy FrameScript, you should look at the Silicon Prairie Tools. I
  haven't used this one in particular, but their plugins are usually well
  done (and cheap).

I'm a very satisfied customer of both Silicon Prairie and Rick, and happy to 
recommend both. But John said that he's in a super-locked down environment and 
to install anything takes an act of god. Unless I'm misunderstanding his 
statement, that rules out any plugins (including FrameScript, thus ruling out 
FS scripts). 

John, since you have FM 11, I think your only non-manual alternative is 
ExtendScript. I suspect Rick could whip up an ExtendScript script that suits 
your needs for a reasonable fee -- assuming you can at least install a script 
(non-executable) in your environment. 

Richard G. Combs
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RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Richard,

Thanks for the recommendation. FWIW, duplicating this script in ExtendScript
would be a large undertaking. The FrameScript version is over 1700 lines and
has gone through quite a few iterations over the years. Just think about
what it takes to find/change a character format. You not only have to look
for occurrences in text, but also in autonumber formats, variable formats,
and cross-reference formats. Colors are complicated as well because they
show up in many different places in a document.

It is such a useful script that I will probably end up duplicating it in
ExtendScript one of these days. But if someone wanted it tomorrow, it would
certainly be more expensive than the FrameScript version! Thanks again.

Rick


I'm a very satisfied customer of both Silicon Prairie and Rick, and happy to
recommend both. But John said that he's in a super-locked down environment
and to install anything takes an act of god. Unless I'm misunderstanding
his statement, that rules out any plugins (including FrameScript, thus
ruling out FS scripts). 

John, since you have FM 11, I think your only non-manual alternative is
ExtendScript. I suspect Rick could whip up an ExtendScript script that suits
your needs for a reasonable fee -- assuming you can at least install a
script (non-executable) in your environment. 

Richard G. Combs
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RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Steve Rickaby
Standing back from this discussion (I'm excluded from a lot of plugins due to 
still being on Mac), I'd just point out the fact that I keep forgetting myself: 
that Steve Kubis' (SiliconPrairie) char and para tools work at the book level 
too. 

Construct a temporary book containing all the files you want to clean up, run 
'Delete unused para/char formats', then discard temp book: job done.

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Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread John Sgammato
You need CleanImport: http://www.electropubs.com/ez_cleanimport3.html
An excellent tool
john

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:54 AM, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com wrote:

 Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P
 styles that I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of
 styles that I need to clean out...from about 500 files. I maintain a
 control document with only the valid styles and when I need to change or
 modify a style, I do it in this document to test it's impact, then import
 to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove styles from all the
 files that aren't in the control document.

 How do you go about doing this?

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Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
You don't need to install anything to run ExtendScript scripts with
FM11, do you?

http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2011/10/extendscript-of-the-week-deleting-unused-formats-in-a-book.html
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Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread rebecca officer


Hi John

If your system's too pinned down to install a plug-in, AND you know the names of all those styles you want rid of, AND you've got a decent text editor, then you can do this on bulk MIF files.

It'd pay to search the FM files first to make sure no text is using any of the old styles.

Then back up everything

Then convert all your FM files to MIF, open the MIF files in bulk, figure out the paragraph catalog lines for your unwanted styles, and use global search and replace across all your files to remove those catalog entries.

Did I mention you want to back everything up first?

Cheers
Rebecca John Posada jposad...@gmail.com 20/03/13 13:44 
Rick..im interested. Here's the kicker...im in a super-locked down environment and to install anything takes an act of god. Does your plugin require the installation of anything above and beyond FM11. Feel free to carry this conversation off-list.
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RE: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Harro de Jong
John Posada wrote:
 
 Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P styles 
 that
 I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of styles that I need 
 to clean
 out...from about 500 files. I maintain a control document with only the valid 
 styles
 and when I need to change or modify a style, I do it in this document to test 
 it's
 impact, then import to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove 
 styles
 from all the files that aren't in the control document.


As others said, Silicon Prairie's Paragraph Tools works well for this. In 
addition, I'd create a new temporary book and add all the Frame files to it 
that you want to convert. This way you only have to set up and run the 
conversion once. 

Paragraph Tools installation is by dropping a .dll file into fminit\Plugins. No 
installer to run.


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Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-20 Thread Robert Lauriston
Here's the ExtendScript I linked to earlier. The DeleteUnused...Fmt
functions would seem to make it pretty simple. You could maybe create
a giant scratch book containing all your .fm files and run the script
once.

http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/scripting/WSfbe285cf4bf3fffd-491bdbc212f9bbd97f1-7f1c.html

/*/
/*
 */
/* ADOBE SYSTEMS INCORPORATED
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/* Copyright 1986 - 2011 Adobe Systems Incorporated*/
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 */
/*
   */
/**/
/*
 * Program Name:
 * delete unused formats  
 *
 * Author:
 *  Vikash Kumar (vik...@adobe.com)
 *
 * General Description:
 *This script deletes all the unused table, paragraph and
character formats in a book
 *
 **/


book = app.ActiveBook
bookTraverse(book)

function bookTraverse(book)
{
if (!book.ObjectValid() )
{
Alert (No Active book ,Constants.FF_ALERT_CONTINUE_WARN)
return
 }

var ret = Alert (All the files in the book will be modified and
saved: Press OK to continue or cancel to
abort,Constants.FF_ALERT_OK_DEFAULT)
 if (ret == -1)
{
return
}
var compBook = book.FirstComponentInBook
while(compBook.ObjectValid() )
{
var compName = compBook.Name
var compType = compBook.BookComponentFileType
var doc = open(compName)

if (compType == Constants.FV_BK_BOOK)
{
bookTraverse (doc)
 }
  if (doc.ObjectValid() )
  {
deletefromdoc (doc)
saveDoc (doc, doc.Name)
doc.Close (1)
   }
compBook = compBook.NextBookComponentInDFSOrder
 }
 Alert (Operation finished ,Constants.FF_ALERT_CONTINUE_WARN)
}


function deletefromdoc(doc)
{
 doc.DeleteUnusedTblFmt()
 doc.DeleteUnusedPgfFmt()
doc.DeleteUnusedCharFmt()
 }


function open(filename)
{
var openProp = GetOpenDefaultParams()

var i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FileIsOldVersion)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FontNotFoundInCatalog)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FontNotFoundInDoc)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_FileIsInUse)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoCancel

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_AlertUserAboutFailure)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoCancel

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_LockCantBeReset)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=Constants.FV_DoOK

i=GetPropIndex(openProp,Constants.FS_MakeVisible)
openProp[i].propVal.ival=false

var retParm = new PropVals()
var fileObj=Open(filename,openProp,retParm);
return fileObj
}


function saveDoc(file,mifName) {

var params = GetSaveDefaultParams()
var returnParamsp =new PropVals()
var i = GetPropIndex(params, Constants.FS_FileType)
params[i].propVal.ival =Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary

//doc2save = SimpleOpen(D:\\extendscript\\myScripts\\tfiles\\SimpleOpen.fm,0);
file.Save(mifName, params, returnParamsp)
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Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-19 Thread John Posada
Rick..im interested. Here's the kicker...im in a super-locked down
environment and to install anything takes an act of god. Does your plugin
require the installation of anything above and beyond FM11. Feel free to
carry this conversation off-list.
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Re: Need to get my FM11 styles under control

2013-03-19 Thread quills

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On Mar 19, 2013, at 8:54 AM, john.x.pos...@us.hsbc.com
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Hi, guys...As I created my template from scratch, I have a number of P
styles that I've used, then stopped using. I therefore have a bunch of
styles that I need to clean out...from about 500 files. I maintain a
control document with only the valid styles and when I need to
change or
modify a style, I do it in this document to test it's impact, then
import
to all other docs in book. What this won't do is remove styles
from all the
files that aren't in the control document.

How do you go about doing this?

John Posada

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John,

I recommend Silicon Prairie Software's Paragraph Tools. It is a drop in 
plug-in and it is very inexpensive for a single license.


http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/


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