Re: PNG usage (was re: Recommended single-sourcing graphic file format for FM-RH)

2012-01-16 Thread Grant Hogarth
If you are talking about JPEG 2000, I would agree.
I still find that adding annotations on a JPG (unless one uses no
compression), leaves artifacts, which are especially noticeable when
they get scaled.
If you are not scaling and not annotating directly on the image, then
JPG is probably not a bad choice.
(And yes, I agree that FM needs to improve it's handling of PNG colors. 
FM10 seems to have eliminated most of that problem (in that I've not
noticed it in FM 10), but I've also not pushed the limits.  (I also save
in indexed PNG, which may have something to do with it.)

See also:

  * optiping: http://optipng.sourceforge.net/
   (get the opti-png UI add on here:
http://www.enzofleri.com/eng/programs.html  )

and

  * pngcrush: http://pmt.sourceforge.net/pngcrush/

*Note from website:* Pngcrush is a command line application. If you
prefer a draggity-droppity GUI, several are available, including these
which embed pngcrush along with other command line image
compressors/optimizers:

  * ImageOptim http://imageoptim.pornel.net/ for Macs, free, GPLv2 license
  * Trimage http://trimage.org/ for Linux, Windows, Mac, free, MIT license


Related How-To articles:

  * http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/png-optimization/   
http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/png-optimization/
  * 
http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2009/07/15/clever-png-optimization-techniques/
  * http://perishablepress.com/press/2009/05/17/png-image-optimization/


John Sgammato wrote:

 With all due respect to my colleagues on this forum, IMO the line
 between JPG and other formats is no longer as neat as it once was.
 Many screenshots in Win 7 require gradients that JPG handles well. IMO
 anything that a photo can handle might not be so far removed as you
 might think from basic screen captures, We are no longer in the
 cartoony Win 3.x world.

 And since AFAIK FrameMaker still imports eleventyhundred colors with
 every .PNG file, I do not see why a PNG with its headaches is superior
 to the no-longer-extant difficulties of the .JPG format.

 Craving enlightenment...

 john

  

 *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Grant Hogarth
 *Sent:* Saturday, January 14, 2012 7:01 PM
 *To:* Virginia Morgan
 *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
 *Subject:* Re: Recommended graphic file format for single-sourcing
 from Frame to Robohelp?

  

 I always vote for PNG.  The files may not be the smallest, but I've
 never had anything in the past decade choke on them (not
 display/corrupt display (either unreadable or artifacts)/Fail (as in
 crash)).

 JPEG is fine for Photos, and SVG for line graphics.  PS is fine if
 you've got the time to render it.
 GIF is for icons. 
 BMP/WMF/EMF should be discontinued.

 You may want to invest in a graphics converter.  The two best (IMO)
 are FastStone Image Viewer (or just Image Converter) and IrfanView.

 Grant

 On 1/13/2012 3:23 PM, Virginia Morgan wrote:

 Hello Framers --

  

 It has been several years since I have been part of this group, so I
 apologize if this topic has been covered extensively somewhere (if
 so,  please feel free to point me to it). I have recently resumed my
 Technical Writing career at a software development company that uses
 FrameMaker to create its documentation. All the legacy manuals were
 delivered with the products as hyperlinked PDF files (not really meant
 for printing due to length, although one could do so and they are
 formatted correctly for that).

  

 The company recently purchased TCS3, and would like to single-source
 Frame files to online help using Robohelp. I have been trying to find
 out what would be the best graphic file format  to use for this
 multi-purpose moving forward. Some background: All legacy images,
 which are primarily screenshots with some flowcharts, were .tif files,
 RGB color, 96 dpi (again, intended for on-screen viewing). Using TCS3
 moving forward, is there a better/clear recommendation for what
 graphic file format would produce the best results?

  

 I have been searching the web for a few days and can't seem to find
 any information on this particular aspect of single-sourcing using the
 new TCS3. Does it not matter, i.e., does one just set up Robohelp
 templates to convert .tifs to .jpgs or similar?

  

 All information is very much appreciated. Thank you, and I am happy to
 be back to this forum!

  

 Virginia Morgan | Technical Writer

 TAKE Solutions, Inc.

 O 512.735.4316 | M 512.426.8323

 virginia.mor...@takesolutions.com
 mailto:virginia.mor...@takesolutions.com

   


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RE: PNG usage (was re: Recommended single-sourcing graphic file format for FM-RH)

2012-01-16 Thread Combs, Richard
Grant Hogarth wrote:

 (And yes, I agree that FM needs to improve it's handling of PNG
 colors.  FM10 seems to have eliminated most of that problem (in that
 I've not noticed it in FM 10), but I've also not pushed the limits.  (I
 also save in indexed PNG, which may have something to do with it.)

Actually, as I pointed out earlier, it's indexed (256-color palletized) PNGs 
that cause RGB color definitions to be added to FM. As John Hogan pointed out, 
most PNGs are 24-bit (millions of colors) these days, which doesn't cause the 
problem and is not that much bigger, file-size-wise. 

Since PNG is lossless, free of artifacts, and even (according to Wikipedia) 
renders gradients more accurately than JPEG, I can't imagine why anyone would 
use the latter for screenshots. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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