RE: Questions on viewing conditional text
Hi, Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have to be included with the conditional text? Select the entire paragraph instead of just the text in it. If the paragraph with bullet or any other autonumbering is the last one in a text flow (e.g. in a table cell or a text frame or in the main text flow), you have to add a paragraph without any autonumbering. Otherwise the autonumbering will still be shown, although you have assigned the condition to the whole paragraph. Best regards Winfried ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Questions on viewing conditional text
Brad, Make sure to turn off your condition indicators before printing to PDF (an option in the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog box). Make sure to apply the conditional text setting to the entire paragraph tagged as a bullet, including the paragraph indicator/marker itself. TVB Tammy Van Boening Senior Technical Writer Health Language, Inc. Office: +1 (303) 307-4400 x254 www.healthlanguage.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sers.com] On Behalf Of Brad Simmons Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:37 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Questions on viewing conditional text Hello fellow FM users, I'm delving into the world of conditional text for the first time since I started using FrameMaker, and I've encountered a couple of unforseen problems. I'm wondering if someone knows how to work around these? 1. First, I've marked the two versions of my manual with two different colors. This is quite handy when I'm working with my file before I've printed it. However, when I went to make the .PDF, I was surprised to find that it preserved these colors in the PDF! I didn't want it to do that - I want my conditional text to look like regular text. First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document? 2. Second, I've specified a number of bulleted items as conditional text. FM had no problem making the text conditional, but it completely ignored the bullets themselves, and thus I have bullets hanging out on the page with no text after them. This looks pretty weird. Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have to be included with the conditional text? Thanks, Brad Simmons Technical Writer Ag-Leader Technology ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tammy.vanboening%40h ealthlanguage.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE BY HEALTH LANGUAGE, INC. This message, as well as any attached document, contains information from Health Language, Inc. that is confidential. The information is intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this message in error, please delete all electronic copies of this message and its attachments, if any, destroy any hard copies you may have created, without disclosing the contents, and notify the sender immediately. Unless expressly stated otherwise, nothing contained in this message should be construed as a digital or electronic signature, nor is it intended to reflect an intention to make an agreement by electronic means. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Questions on viewing conditional text
Hi Brad, OK, in answer to your first question: Before you go to print it, you must change the Show/Hide settings. From the Conditional Text dialog box, click Show/Hide (in the lower right corner). In the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog box that opens, select only the conditional text you want to show in the left pane, and then-and this is the important part-make sure that you CLEAR the Show Condition Indicators check box. This will make the text display in its default color, not the conditional color. (Note that it will also display on screen in the selected option, the same as it will print. Make this check box your friend.) In answer to your second question: Make sure you have applied the conditional text to the entire paragraph, not just the text in the paragraph. If you select only the text and apply it, then you will see what you are describing. Make sure that when you select the paragraph, the selection block extends all the way to the margins on both sides. This will give you the results you want. HTH, Chuck Beck Sr. Technical Writer | Infor | Office: 614.523.7302 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Simmons Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:37 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Questions on viewing conditional text Hello fellow FM users, I'm delving into the world of conditional text for the first time since I started using FrameMaker, and I've encountered a couple of unforseen problems. I'm wondering if someone knows how to work around these? 1. First, I've marked the two versions of my manual with two different colors. This is quite handy when I'm working with my file before I've printed it. However, when I went to make the .PDF, I was surprised to find that it preserved these colors in the PDF! I didn't want it to do that - I want my conditional text to look like regular text. First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document? 2. Second, I've specified a number of bulleted items as conditional text. FM had no problem making the text conditional, but it completely ignored the bullets themselves, and thus I have bullets hanging out on the page with no text after them. This looks pretty weird. Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have to be included with the conditional text? Thanks, Brad Simmons Technical Writer Ag-Leader Technology ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/charles.beck%40infor .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Questions on viewing conditional text
1. Before you make the PDF, at the book window select all the files, and then choose View Show/Hide Indicators. Turn off the condition indicators there, and the conditioned text will have the same formatting as unconditional text (provided that you didn't apply the colors as character overrides). 2. View Text Symbols. When you apply a condition tag to a bulleted item, if you don't include the paragraph end marker, the text will be hidden, but the bullet will still show. HTH Rene Stephenson Brad Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow FM users, I'm delving into the world of conditional text for the first time since I started using FrameMaker, and I've encountered a couple of unforseen problems. I'm wondering if someone knows how to work around these? 1. First, I've marked the two versions of my manual with two different colors. This is quite handy when I'm working with my file before I've printed it. However, when I went to make the .PDF, I was surprised to find that it preserved these colors in the PDF! I didn't want it to do that - I want my conditional text to look like regular text. First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document? 2. Second, I've specified a number of bulleted items as conditional text. FM had no problem making the text conditional, but it completely ignored the bullets themselves, and thus I have bullets hanging out on the page with no text after them. This looks pretty weird. Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have to be included with the conditional text? Thanks, Brad Simmons Technical Writer Ag-Leader Technology ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinnie1%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Questions on viewing conditional text
Brad Simmons had two conditional text questions: First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document? In the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog, uncheck Show Condition Indicators. Or, at the book level, select all the files in the book window and then select View Hide Conditional Text Indicators. Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have to be included with the conditional text? Select the entire paragraph instead of just the text in it. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Questions on viewing conditional text
Brad Simmons ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) asked: 1. First, I've marked the two versions of my manual with two different colors. This is quite handy when I'm working with my file before I've printed it. However, when I went to make the .PDF, I was surprised to find that it preserved these colors in the PDF! I didn't want it to do that - I want my conditional text to look like regular text. First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document? To print (either hard copy or PDF) without colored conditions, you need to globally set the files in the book to turn off the Show Condition Indicators in the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog. One way to do this is to set it manually in one file and then use FileImportFormats to import *only* the Conditional Text Settings from that one file into all the other files in the book. (You can also set up pair of otherwise empty template files to alternately set the conditions to the colored, on-screen view or the plain view for printing. 2. Second, I've specified a number of bulleted items as conditional text. FM had no problem making the text conditional, but it completely ignored the bullets themselves, and thus I have bullets hanging out on the page with no text after them. This looks pretty weird. Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have to be included with the conditional text? The bullet (or autonumber) is a property of the paragraph and is therefore contained in the end-of-paragraph symbol (which is only visible if you have the View Text Symbols option turned on). When you conditionalize an entire paragraph, you need toi conditionalize the *entire* paragraph, including the non-printing end-of-paragraph character or else you will still get the vertical space and any paragraph-level presentational items such as a bullet or autonumbering graphic frame above or below even. The easiest way to do this is to triple-click anywhere in the paragraph to select the entire paragraph before applying the condition. Fred Ridder _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Questions on viewing conditional text
On 10/30/07, Brad Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello fellow FM users, I'm delving into the world of conditional text for the first time since I started using FrameMaker, and I've encountered a couple of unforseen problems. I'm wondering if someone knows how to work around these? 1. First, I've marked the two versions of my manual with two different colors. This is quite handy when I'm working with my file before I've printed it. However, when I went to make the .PDF, I was surprised to find that it preserved these colors in the PDF! I didn't want it to do that - I want my conditional text to look like regular text. First Question: Is there any way I can specify that the colors are viewed on the screen only, and not in the final outputted document? Thanks for the question. I tried setting a condition tag's color to non-printing in View Color Color Definitions, but I didn't realize after all these years using FM that condition tags are immune to this non-printing setting. Normal text and graphics that use the same color do respect the non-printing setting. I didn't print to paper, just PDF. However, I also learned that not only does the color not print, the colored text in my test is deleted! I was expecting no-color (white or paper) text. Hmmm... Perhaps this is because the standard way to avoid conditional markings in output is to disable Show Condition Indicators in the Conditional Text Show/Hide dialog box. It's a step you have to remember before creating output. 2. Second, I've specified a number of bulleted items as conditional text. FM had no problem making the text conditional, but it completely ignored the bullets themselves, and thus I have bullets hanging out on the page with no text after them. This looks pretty weird. Second question: Is there a way to specify to FM that the bullets have to be included with the conditional text? Triple-click the paragraphs to be conditionalized, or, with View Text Symbols ON, select across the paragraph marks of the paragraphs, then apply the condition tag. You've probably just selected text IN the paragraphs, but not the paragraphs themselves. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
