RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
Hi, I agree! I always use the structured interface although all my files are unstructured. No problems. No side-effects. (FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, 32 bit and before FrameMaker 8 on Windows 2000) Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:34 AM To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch? FM has a long history (and structured and non-structured FM had been separate products) - already years ago the FM evangelist just said that: Use structured mode only even for unstructured documents because FM's layout engine and PDF interface are for unstructured documents the same in both modes. Dieter Gust itl AG, Munich, Germany ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as wr...@tycoint.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40tycoint.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
I wish that Adobe would do away with this structured/unstructured switch .. I think it causes more confusion than it does any good. All it does is remove the StructureTools and Element menus and a handful of UI elements from the structured interface. I think it would be better to provide an easy way to hide/show the menus of your choosing rather than using this mode switching. It's perfectly safe to work on unstructured documents when the structured mode is enabled, and allows you to work on all types of documents. Also, if there was just one mode, it would make testing much easier .. I'd think. Cheers, ...scott On 9/28/12 1:38 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, I agree! I always use the structured interface although all my files are unstructured. No problems. No side-effects. (FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7, 32 bit and before FrameMaker 8 on Windows 2000) Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gust, Dieter Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:34 AM To: Robert Lauriston; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch? FM has a long history (and structured and non-structured FM had been separate products) - already years ago the FM evangelist just said that: Use structured mode only even for unstructured documents because FM's layout engine and PDF interface are for unstructured documents the same in both modes. Dieter Gust itl AG, Munich, Germany ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as wr...@tycoint.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40tycoint.co m Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
Here - http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1073069 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen Robbins Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 2:04 PM To: Kapil Verma; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution From where can one download the files to create the unstructured workspace? Thanks, Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonassoftware.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
Yes it affects that command too; but you can still print individual files and Save as PDF on the book. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution Does anyone know if the problem occurs when using the Print Selected Files option in unstructured FM11? Or does it only occur when using the Print Book option? Carol At 11:00 AM 9/27/2012, you wrote: This issue occurs when a user who is running FrameMaker11 in unstructured mode and tries to print a book, which was also created in the unstructured mode. This issue is not present when printing a Framemaker document, or when FrameMaker is running in structured mode. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonassoftware.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
Hello Kapil Although your workaround and fix will no doubt be highly appreciated by unstructured users, they don't address the issue that we have seen with FM 11 /structured /- that is, that printing a file to the Adobe PDF printer (whether using Save As, Save as PDF, or Print) takes 10 times as long as it used to. I am not exaggerating. We have a 550-page structured book that we used to convert to PDF in FM9 in about 10 minutes or less. Now with FM11 it takes 90 minutes or more. I originally posted this issue on the Adobe forums - see http://forums.adobe.com/message/4661181#4661181. But there was no resolution. I guess if a FM developer says, i have not seen that happening a lot, except few cases , that means have to live with it? In the meantime, my recommendation to structured FM users is: If you want to convert your docs to PDF, don't upgrade until Adobe do something about these problems. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada On 27/09/2012 1:18 AM, Kapil Verma wrote: Hello everyone, I am from Adobe and wanted to give you some information about the Print to .PS issue that has been reported in the forums recently. We have looked into this issue and found the cause. Today, we wanted to share it with you all along with a workaround solution in the interim. Furthermore, *we are working on fixing this issue and expect to come out with a fix soon*. ** *What causes the issue* This issue occurs when a user who is running FrameMaker11 in _unstructured mode_ and tries to print a _book_, which was also created in the unstructured mode. This issue is not present when printing a Framemaker document, or when FrameMaker is running in structured mode. *Workaround* The workaround is to switch to structured mode (you can do so by going to Edit Preferences General and use the Product Interface dropdown to select Structured FrameMaker) and restart FrameMaker. This would be a one-time action and afterwards, FrameMaker will launch in Structured mode and you won't face this issue. This being said, we do however realize that many of you are working in the unstructured mode and wouldn't like to see the additional structured menus and toolbars. To address this, we are providing a set of workspace, menu and toolbar files (attached with this message). With these files, a new workspace will be created in your FrameMaker structured mode and this workspace will only have the unstructured menus and toolbars. So, you can continue to work in a familiar environment with only the unstructured features that you are used to seeing. Please download the attached files and follow the steps below to copy these files in the relevant folders. _Steps to create the new Unstructured workspace when running in the Structured mode_ 1. Copy Unstructured.fws in %appdata%\Adobe\FrameMaker\11\WorkSpaces\Structured' folder 2. Copy menus-unstr.cfg in %appdata%\Adobe\FrameMaker\11\WorkSpaces\Structured\menus' folder 3. Copy fmtoolbar-unstr.xml in %appdata%\Adobe\FrameMaker\11\WorkSpaces\Structured\toolbars' folder 4. Launch FM in structured mode and switch to the 'unstructured' workspace. /* Note: this would not remove DITA and S1000D menus. If you want to remove those menus as well, please write to me separately and I will be happy to send you those instructions./ Hope that this workaround works as a solution in the short term, while we work hard on fixing this issue for you. We hope to come out with a fix soon to this problem. Thanks, Kapil Verma Sr. Product Manager - FrameMaker | FrameMaker Publishing Server O: +91-120-2444711 x 34505 http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/category/framemaker http://twitter.com/KapilVermaAdobe http://twitter.com/#%21/KapilVermaAdobe http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shutti...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shuttie27%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
I'm always in structured mode (FM10 at the moment). Sometimes I work on unstructured documents, and I've never had a problem. On 2012-09-27 13:48, Robert Lauriston wrote: I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch? On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Kapil Verma kve...@adobe.com wrote: Workaround The workaround is to switch to structured mode (you can do so by going to Edit Preferences General and use the Product Interface dropdown to select “Structured FrameMaker”) and restart FrameMaker. This would be a one-time action and afterwards, FrameMaker will launch in Structured mode and you won’t face this issue. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jow...@magma.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jowens%40magma.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7524 (20120927) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution
Same here ... no issues whatsoever. Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jim Owens Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:48 PM To: Robert Lauriston Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Response from Adobe - Print to .PS issue - Cause and solution I'm always in structured mode (FM10 at the moment). Sometimes I work on unstructured documents, and I've never had a problem. On 2012-09-27 13:48, Robert Lauriston wrote: I'm curious to hear how well that works. Seems like editing unstructured documents in structured mode is likely to have side effects. If that weren't the case, why even have the mode switch? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
