RE: Unresolved Cross Reference Warning Message
Thanks, Fred, now at least I understand why I got those extra gray hairs!
Ben
Ben Hechter
bhech...@objectives.ca
www.semitake.com
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From: Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Unresolved Cross Reference Warning Message
To: bhech...@yahoo.com
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 9:21 PM
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It doesn't matter *where* the missing fonts are lurking, and they are unlikely
to be in the cross-reference formats. What is making your cross-reference
behave as if they are broken is the fact that there is *any* missing fonts
issue.
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RE: Unresolved Cross Reference Warning Message
Hi Richard, Thanks again for your help on this. The problem resolved in an unusual way. To recap, I was getting an Unresolved Cross-Reference Warning Message each time I opened the book file, no matter how I tried to refresh or relink the cross-references. The message never appeared when generating the book, only when opening the file. Apparently the message is somehow related to good old Missing Fonts, possibly via character styles in the cross-reference format, because it disappears when the files are opened on a machine that has the missing fonts installed. Ben Ben Hechter bhech...@objectives.ca www.semitake.com --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com wrote: From: Combs, Richard richard.co...@polycom.com Subject: RE: pesky persistent unresolved cross-references To: bhech...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:54 PM Well, I'm kind of stumped. All xrefs point to xref markers. The Source Type = Paragraphs is just a convenience for us humans. FM puts an xref marker at the beginning of the paragraph you select and gives it a unique ID (the marker text), which the xref you're creating (and any subsequent ones to the same pgf) points to. Xrefs become unresolved in two ways: (1) the file they point to is moved or renamed; (2) the marker they point to is deleted (most likely) or its marker text is changed (not common). Assuming you're not moving/renaming files, something's happening to the markers in the destination file. You need to figure out what and when. First, make sure you have View Text Symbols selected so you can see the xref markers (oversized Ts at the beginning of pgfs that overlap the first text character). Then reinsert one of the markers that disappears. Now go to the destination file and look at the pgf that the xref points to. Is the marker there? (You can see the marker text by selecting the marker and opening the Marker dialog -- Special Marker.) Save both files. Is the marker still there? Close the destination file and reopen it. Is the marker still there? ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved Cross Reference Warning Message
Ben Hechter wrote: To recap, I was getting an Unresolved Cross-Reference Warning Message each time I opened the book file, no matter how I tried to refresh or relink the cross-references. The message never appeared when generating the book, only when opening the file. Apparently the message is somehow related to good old Missing Fonts, possibly via character styles in the cross-reference format, because it disappears when the files are opened on a machine that has the missing fonts installed. It doesn't matter *where* the missing fonts are lurking, and they are unlikely to be in the cross-reference formats. What is making your cross-reference behave as if they are broken is the fact that there is *any* missing fonts issue. I think a better understanding of how cross-references are handled will help you under why I say this. Whenever you open a file that contains one or more cross-references, FrameMaker refreshes each of those references. If the reference is to another location within the same file, the refresh is straightforward unless the cross-reference truly is unresolved due to a missing or hidden cross-reference marker. If the reference points to a location that is in another file that is already open, the process is similarly straightforward. But if the reference points to a location that is in a file that is *not* already open, FrameMaker has to silently (without showing anything on your screen) peek inside the target file to retrieve the latest information for the refernce. If that file has any sort of problem that would throw a warning message during a non-silent open (e.g. an unavailable fonts message), FrameMaker is unable to peek inside it and therefore cannot find the marker it's looking for. It reports this failure to find the marker as an unresolved cross-reference. If you start b y manually opening the file with the missing fonts issue, so that you can manually dismiss the warning message, then you will not get an unresolved cross-reference warnign when you open the original file because FrameMaker can now find the target marker when it updates the cross-references. BTW, the updating of the cross-references is the reason why FrameMaker will warn you about unsaved changes when you attempt to close a file that you *know* you didn't make any edits in. Even if the cross-references did not actually change as a result of the update operation, the fact that they were refreshed counts as a change that FrameMaker thinks you ought to save. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Unresolved Cross Reference
Hi, Sometimes when I have missing fonts, the unresolved cross-reference message appears. - Perhaps someone has a suggestion about how to resolve this. I have just?resolved all unresolved cross references in a 50-page document. When I search for any unresolved cross references, I get a message that none are found. Yet when I want to open or print the document, I get a message stating that the document has unresolved cross references. Is this?another FrameMaker glitsch? Howard Rauch? ? Technology Transfer, Inc. Linking Creators and Users of Technology 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved Cross Reference
Howard, Change your view to master pages then search again. Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rauch Sent: 21 October 2008 11:30 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unresolved Cross Reference Perhaps someone has a suggestion about how to resolve this. I have just resolved all unresolved cross references in a 50-page document. When I search for any unresolved cross references, I get a message that none are found. Yet when I want to open or print the document, I get a message stating that the document has unresolved cross references. Is this another FrameMaker glitsch? Howard Rauch ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved Cross Reference
Hi, Do you get any messages, when you open all files (missing graphics etc.)? In this case FrameMaker cannot open the files with the cross-reference target. It cannot check whether the cross-reference target exists and will give you the error message. Open all files, before your update or print the book. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Rauch Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:30 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Unresolved Cross Reference Perhaps someone has a suggestion about how to resolve this. I have just resolved all unresolved cross references in a 50-page document. When I search for any unresolved cross references, I get a message that none are found. Yet when I want to open or print the document, I get a message stating that the document has unresolved cross references. Is this another FrameMaker glitsch? Howard Rauch Technology Transfer, Inc. Linking Creators and Users of Technology 933 North 18th Street Manitowoc WI 54220 Office: 920-682-1528 Cell: 920-629-0080 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Unresolved Cross Reference
Did you search on the Reference and Master pages? Art On 9/12/06, Kotzen, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have a couple of documents that Frame keeps telling me that have unresolved cross references. When I search for them, they are not found. Any ideas? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved Cross Reference
Do you have any conditional text? That can confuse your cross-references, too. I figure out if it's a conditional text thing, I just ignore those errors. Zoë -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:19 AM To: Kotzen, Edward Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Unresolved Cross Reference Did you search on the Reference and Master pages? Art On 9/12/06, Kotzen, Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. I have a couple of documents that Frame keeps telling me that have unresolved cross references. When I search for them, they are not found. Any ideas? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/zlawson%40openservice.co m Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Unresolved Cross Reference
Hi. Could be a text inset inserted just before a title which has a X-Ref marker... when the document is updated, the text inset makes the x-ref marker disappear. In these cases, I remove the text inset, redo the cross-reference, then copy the marker to elsewhere in the title (not at the beginning), and then re-insert the text inset...seems to work. Cheers. At 10:55 AM 9/12/2006, Kotzen, Edward wrote: Hello. I have a couple of documents that Frame keeps telling me that have unresolved cross references. When I search for them, they are not found. Any ideas? Thank you. Ed ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40innovmetric.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Stephen O'Brien Documentation/Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels (Software) Inc. 1-418-688-2061 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Unresolved Cross Reference
Kotzen, Edward wrote: I have a couple of documents that Frame keeps telling me that have unresolved cross references. When I search for them, they are not found. Any ideas? If this is in the context of a book, there's another possibility: Are there any files in the book that produce error messages when you open them (such as missing fonts or graphics) that you have to acknowledge? If so, then xrefs to those files will be unresolved when the files aren't already open because FM can't silently open them in the background to check the destinations of the xrefs. Once you've opened the problem files, the xrefs aren't unresolved anymore. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
