RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells
Rebecca, I appreciate your taking the time to answer. However, Shlomo suggested that this is a bug in FrameMaker and his workaround (print to a PostScript file and distill that) worked like a charm. The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded cells, PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you save as PDF. I need the shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that turning off tagging or unshading would work. Thanks, Shlomo. Thanks, Rebecca. Thanks, Framers. -Original Message- From: rebecca officer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2006 3:00 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Jim Light Subject: Re: Vanishing Table Heading Cells Could be the good old graphic print quality problem that causes random text drop-out in PDFs. In Windows, open Properties for the Distiller / Adobe PDF printer driver. On the general tab, click Printing Preferences, then Advanced. Change Graphic Print Quality to 300 dpi. Click OK till you're back at the Properties dialog. Then go to the Advanced tab. Click Printing Defaults, then Advanced. Change that one to 300 dpi too. If 300 dpi fixes the problem, try 600 dpi. That works for most people (but not us). The setting is something to do with the granularity of text placement, nothing to do with the dpi for graphics. Cheers, Rebecca Jim Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/04/06 10:40:42 The text is fine in FM. The properties of the text in the PDF are the same for the invisible text as for the visible text. (!!!) I tried re-importing table definitions, but that didn't help. I copied the text to a new template and that didn't help. I made a copy of a good table and copied the body rows into it. (These tables have the same heading rows, so I can use a good one and just change the body rows). This worked twice and then it didn't work. About half of my table collection has this weird problem. At this point I am copying a good one and using it to recreate a bad one over and over until they are all OK. What on Earth is going on??? Jim -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:28 PM To: Jim Light; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: (no subject) Jim Light wrote: I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show up in the PDF. Just to be clear: the text is fine in FM, it just disappears in the PDF? * I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I type in is invisible. With the TouchUp Text Tool selected, click in or select the invisible text, right-click, and select Properties. Take a look at the info on the Text tab, especially the font and fill. See if that gives you any hints. shrug /Can it wait until Monday? It's almost beer-thirty here. ;-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40al liedtelesyn.co.nz Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells
The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded cells, PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you save as PDF. I need the shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that turning off tagging or unshading would work. Does the bug also manifest itself when you print to the Adobe PDF print driver, rather than going through the postscript step? Or is that what you mean by Save As PDF? My tables are shaded, I want to know if I should watch out for this bug. Thanks, Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells
Anne, I did not try that. I don't use that driver, and frankly I'm not sure whether it generates a PDF file or a PS file or what. To generate the Color PS file, I installed an HP Color LaserJet Postscript printer driver, which Windows XP can do just from its own internal collection of printer drivers. Any color PS driver will do, I think. I would say that you should definitely keep an eye out for empty shaded cells in the PDF. For me it was just the first column heading cells. (We only shade heading cells.) No other column cells were affected and this did not occur in every table! Not only that, I tried copying one of the good tables and using it as a template for a bad table by copying the bad table's body rows into it. The heading rows were otherwise identical. Strangely, this sometimes worked (and sometimes not!). Thus, there must be more to the bug than my simple explanation. Shlomo suggested I See http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM71 for more info and sample files. (Note: this problem is listed under FM7.1 but applies to FM7.2 as well. Generally, bugs listed under a specific FM release apply to later versions, unless indicated otherwise). I assume that turning tagging off in your PDF setup will also solve the problem. You don't necessarily need to tag your PDF files. I happen to be generating PDFs where I want users to be able to copy a table as a table, and tagging the file enables that. There may be other workarounds that I have not tried. For example, if you have Acrobat Professional I think you can generate the tags on an otherwise untagged PDF file, thus dodging the FrameMaker bug. Good luck. Jim -Original Message- From: Anne Robotti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 8:14 AM To: Jim Light; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Vanishing Table Heading Cells The bug manifests itself when you have the combination of shaded cells, PDF tagging is turned on in PDF setup, and you save as PDF. I need the shading and tagging, so I used the workaround. I assume that turning off tagging or unshading would work. Does the bug also manifest itself when you print to the Adobe PDF print driver, rather than going through the postscript step? Or is that what you mean by Save As PDF? My tables are shaded, I want to know if I should watch out for this bug. Thanks, Anne The information contained in or attached to this e-mail contains confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail is PROHIBITED. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete the e-mail immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Vanishing Table Heading Cells
Could be the good old graphic print quality problem that causes random text drop-out in PDFs. In Windows, open Properties for the Distiller / Adobe PDF printer driver. On the general tab, click Printing Preferences, then Advanced. Change Graphic Print Quality to 300 dpi. Click OK till you're back at the Properties dialog. Then go to the Advanced tab. Click Printing Defaults, then Advanced. Change that one to 300 dpi too. If 300 dpi fixes the problem, try 600 dpi. That works for most people (but not us). The setting is something to do with the granularity of text placement, nothing to do with the dpi for graphics. Cheers, Rebecca Jim Light [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8/04/06 10:40:42 The text is fine in FM. The properties of the text in the PDF are the same for the invisible text as for the visible text. (!!!) I tried re-importing table definitions, but that didn't help. I copied the text to a new template and that didn't help. I made a copy of a good table and copied the body rows into it. (These tables have the same heading rows, so I can use a good one and just change the body rows). This worked twice and then it didn't work. About half of my table collection has this weird problem. At this point I am copying a good one and using it to recreate a bad one over and over until they are all OK. What on Earth is going on??? Jim -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 3:28 PM To: Jim Light; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: (no subject) Jim Light wrote: I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show up in the PDF. Just to be clear: the text is fine in FM, it just disappears in the PDF? * I tried using the text editing tool in Acrobat, but the text I type in is invisible. With the TouchUp Text Tool selected, click in or select the invisible text, right-click, and select Properties. Take a look at the info on the Text tab, especially the font and fill. See if that gives you any hints. shrug /Can it wait until Monday? It's almost beer-thirty here. ;-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rebecca.officer%40alliedtelesyn.co.nz Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Vanishing Table Heading Cells
Jim, You wrote: I have a problem that is making me crazy. There are a few seemingly-random table heading cells whose text does not show up in the PDF. One possibility is the combination of Save as PDF with Tagged PDF turned on (which may be there by default). See http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html#FM71 for more info and sample files. (Note: this problem is listed under FM7.1 but applies to FM7.2 as well. Generally, bugs listed under a specific FM release apply to later versions, unless indicated otherwise). Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF Technical Indexing seminars ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
