Re: type vs enter
To cut it short, i won't, in the personal capacity, use both type and enter. if i want the user to type XYZ, i will say enter XYZ. __ One forward a day makes my day, for sure! Regards, NJ http://www.neerajjain8.com From: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Fri, 23 July, 2010 6:23:24 AM Subject: Re: type vs enter Type should be associated only with typewriter. And dialing should only be associated with... well, certainly not phones. They don't have dials! :) Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as neerajja...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neerajjain8%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: type vs enter
We do not have a type key on the keyboard. Do we have? Everything works the enter one. Irrespective of what the style guides say, I would avoid using type. __ One forward a day makes my day, for sure! Regards, NJ http://www.neerajjain8.com From: Gray, Steven (EPS) sag...@tycoelectronics.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Thu, 22 July, 2010 1:04:26 AM Subject: RE: type vs enter If I can offer an alternative to the debate, I'd like to put the word key out for consideration. My colleagues frequently say key in the text rather than type in the text. The thought is that we are using a keyboard, rather than a typewriter. Yeah, I know it doesn't fit with the Microsoft recommendations, but I feel no love for Microsoft anyway. Steve Gray Tyco Electronics, Engineering Practices and Standards ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as neerajja...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neerajjain8%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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From the Apple Publications Style Guide (December 2009): enter Use enter, not type, to describe inputting text-based information or data (for example, in a text field or spreadsheet, or at a command-line prompt). Such text is typically entered by typing, but it could also be copied and pasted, or even dragged. Use type to describe simply pressing keys to produce characters on the screen. Use press, not type, to refer to pressing keys on the keyboard. * Enter your account information and tap Save. * The intelligent keyboard may suggest corrections as you type. * Press the Return key. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: type vs enter
John, Type should be associated only with typewriter. A typewriter (assuming a manual one) does not store anything. It just types on paper. In case of computer, saying type would be obsolete because you enter data in computer memory and a computer user is more familiar with the word enter. Were you writing XYZ in bold? Regards, NJ http://www.neerajjain8.com From: John Burgdorf jburg...@cisco.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Wed, 21 July, 2010 11:33:26 PM Subject: RE: type vs enter At another company I worked for, we used both, though in clearly distinguished contexts: - TYPE a literal string (Type XYZ (and not ABC) - ENTER a user defined sting (Enter your name). --jb -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:19 PM To: Combs, Richard; Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter I just did a quick Internet search on Simplified Technical English and found this example at http://www.simplifiedenglish.net/controlled-language-global-english (at the bottom of the web page under Industry Examples, select Software). Step 2 (below) specifically says ...enter the IP address of the system... which sounds to me like they want you to type it in. Step 3 is more of the same. So enter seems to be the term of choice. Alison Use VXX Web to get access to the system: 1. On a computer, open a web browser. 2. In the address bar of the web browser, enter the IP address of the system, for example, http://10.11.12.13, to go to VXX Web. If Security Mode is enabled on the system, you must use secure HTTPS access, for example, https://10.11.12.13. Click Yes in the security dialog boxes that show. 3. Enter admin as the user name, and enter the remote access password, if one is set. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:06 PM To: Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter Owen, Clint wrote: In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a STE legal way to write the requested instructions. Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasoni x.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jburg...@cisco.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jburgdor%40cisco.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as neerajja...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/neerajjain8%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter
Neeraj Jain wrote: Type should be associated only with typewriter. A typewriter (assuming a manual one) does not store anything. It just types on paper. You really believe that? Then you're distinctly in the minority. Virtually nobody uses a typewriter anymore, and yet there are still lots of typing classes. Mavis Bacon still teaches typing via her software. There are even free online touch-typing programs. Google teach typing software (sans quotes) to see just how much typing is associated with what people do on a computer keyboard. In case of computer, saying type would be obsolete because you enter data in computer memory and a computer user is more familiar with the word enter. Were you writing XYZ in bold? No, he was _typing_ uppercase letters. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: type vs enter
Type should be associated only with typewriter. And dialing should only be associated with... well, certainly not phones. They don't have dials! :) Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter
At another company I worked for, we used both, though in clearly distinguished contexts: - TYPE a literal string (Type XYZ (and not ABC) - ENTER a user defined sting (Enter your name). --jb -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:19 PM To: Combs, Richard; Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter I just did a quick Internet search on Simplified Technical English and found this example at http://www.simplifiedenglish.net/controlled-language-global-english (at the bottom of the web page under Industry Examples, select Software). Step 2 (below) specifically says ...enter the IP address of the system... which sounds to me like they want you to type it in. Step 3 is more of the same. So enter seems to be the term of choice. Alison Use VXX Web to get access to the system: 1. On a computer, open a web browser. 2. In the address bar of the web browser, enter the IP address of the system, for example, http://10.11.12.13, to go to VXX Web. If Security Mode is enabled on the system, you must use secure HTTPS access, for example, https://10.11.12.13. Click Yes in the security dialog boxes that show. 3. Enter admin as the user name, and enter the remote access password, if one is set. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:06 PM To: Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter Owen, Clint wrote: In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a STE legal way to write the requested instructions. Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasoni x.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jburg...@cisco.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jburgdor%40cisco.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter
If I can offer an alternative to the debate, I'd like to put the word key out for consideration. My colleagues frequently say key in the text rather than type in the text. The thought is that we are using a keyboard, rather than a typewriter. Yeah, I know it doesn't fit with the Microsoft recommendations, but I feel no love for Microsoft anyway. Steve Gray Tyco Electronics, Engineering Practices and Standards ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: type vs enter
When you say Enter the info ... it implies that you are pressing the Enter key after you type the information. ~~ Linda Rose CTD Online Development QAD, Inc On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as l...@qad.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lnr%40qad.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter
Use enter if a user must put something in a field in a window. Do not use type or type in for this. Type is typically reserved for command line instructions. HTH, TVB Tammy Van Boening Owner/Principal Spectrum Writing, LLC www.spectrumwritingllc.com i...@spectrumwritingllc.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Clara Hall Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:21 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: type vs enter Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as i...@spectrumwritingllc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/info%40spectrumwritingll c.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Clara, The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Version 3.0 states: type vs. enter Use type, not type in or enter, if information the user types appears on the screen. An exception to this rule is that you can tell users to enter a file name, for example, in a combo box when they have the choice of typing a name or selecting one from a list. You can also use a combination of words such as type or select if space is not an issue. Correct Type your password. Enter the file name. Type the path to the server or select it from the list. Incorrect Type in your password. Enter your password. --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: From: Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com Subject: type vs enter To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:20 PM Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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The MMSTP (Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications) advises using type rather than enter for this action. Here's the full quote: Type or select: Use to refer to an item (as in a combo box) that the user can either type or select in the accompanying text box. You can use 'enter' instead if there is no possibility of confusion. For what it's worth, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax: 503-655-7367 l...@astoria-pacific.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸ º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Clara Hall Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:21 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: type vs enter Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as l...@astoria-pacific.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- pacific.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: type vs enter
Enter works for me...it covers people who are typing it, it also covers people who may be writing it with a pen in things such as iPad. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. -- John Posada Senior Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the users found it confusing to Enter text and Press Enter. In my opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you type information if you're actually using the keyboard. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Will your audience be able to make that leap? This one is all about audience. If they are fairly sophisticated, then enter. If not, then type. sharon Sharon Burton Content Consultant www.anthrobytes.com 951-369-8590 IM: sharonvbur...@yahoo.com Twitter: sharonburton Blog:anthrobytes.wordpress.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonvburton -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Clara Hall Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:21 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: type vs enter Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Personally, I don't care what term is used, so long as it's used consistently. FWIW, this is what MS MoS 3ed says about the matter: type vs. enter Use type, not type in or enter, if information that the user types appears on the screen. An exception to this rule is that you can tell users to “enter” a file name, for example, in a combo box when they have the choice of typing a name or selecting one from a list. You can also use a combination of words such as “type or select” if space is not an issue. Nadine --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Linda Rose l...@qad.com wrote: From: Linda Rose l...@qad.com Subject: Re: type vs enter To: Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 4:14 PM When you say Enter the info ... it implies that you are pressing the Enter key after you type the information. ~~ Linda Rose CTD Online Development QAD, Inc On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as l...@qad.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lnr%40qad.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter
In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a STE legal way to write the requested instructions. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM To: Clara Hall Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: type vs enter When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the users found it confusing to Enter text and Press Enter. In my opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you type information if you're actually using the keyboard. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%4 0gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: type vs enter
Makes good sense. If it is an instruction Type [the required data] makes sense and is reasonably unambiguous. Whereas Enter is used differently depending on context, ranging from going into an enclosed space to form filling and so there may be some moments of confusion as the reader decides on the context, and then the meaning of the statement. Alan On 21/07/2010, at 8:23 AM, David Spreadbury wrote: Clara, The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Version 3.0 states: type vs. enter Use type, not type in or enter, if information the user types appears on the screen. An exception to this rule is that you can tell users to enter a file name, for example, in a combo box when they have the choice of typing a name or selecting one from a list. You can also use a combination of words such as type or select if space is not an issue. Correct Type your password. Enter the file name. Type the path to the server or select it from the list. Incorrect Type in your password. Enter your password. --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: From: Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com Subject: type vs enter To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:20 PM Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as a...@alphabyte.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alan%40alphabyte.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter
Clint, That can't be right. Telling Users to enter or type text is probably the command we use most frequently. Simplified English must have a way for instructing Users how to do it. Otherwise, simplified English is completely useless. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 408.232.5911 4 gfl...@nanometrics.com Well Done is better than Well Said - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:58 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a STE legal way to write the requested instructions. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM To: Clara Hall Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: type vs enter When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the users found it confusing to Enter text and Press Enter. In my opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you type information if you're actually using the keyboard. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%4 0gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient. Any unauthorized use, distribution or copying of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and destroy the original message and all attachments from your electronic files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as gfl...@nanometrics.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr
RE: type vs enter
Owen, Clint wrote: In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a STE legal way to write the requested instructions. Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter
I just did a quick Internet search on Simplified Technical English and found this example at http://www.simplifiedenglish.net/controlled-language-global-english (at the bottom of the web page under Industry Examples, select Software). Step 2 (below) specifically says ...enter the IP address of the system... which sounds to me like they want you to type it in. Step 3 is more of the same. So enter seems to be the term of choice. Alison Use VXX Web to get access to the system: 1. On a computer, open a web browser. 2. In the address bar of the web browser, enter the IP address of the system, for example, http://10.11.12.13, to go to VXX Web. If Security Mode is enabled on the system, you must use secure HTTPS access, for example, https://10.11.12.13. Click Yes in the security dialog boxes that show. 3. Enter admin as the user name, and enter the remote access password, if one is set. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:06 PM To: Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter Owen, Clint wrote: In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a STE legal way to write the requested instructions. Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/alison.craig%40ultrasonix.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: type vs enter and STE
Gillian and Richard, You're preaching to the choir, but this type of situation comes up a lot: if you try to strictly follow the rules, you discover that there is no easy way to express a simple concept. Generally, each allowed word has only one assigned meaning, and each concept has only one allowed word to express it. Thus TYPE can only be used as a noun name for a group of something, such as type of lubricant or type of damage. You can't use it in any other way. ENTER can't be used at all. You can put something somewhere, go into someplace, record data, or make an entry, but you can't enter. STE was developed by The European Association of Aerospace Companies and specified by many of our customers. Mostly we follow the rules until they become impossible, then we just get as close as we can. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:04 PM To: Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter Clint, That can't be right. Telling Users to enter or type text is probably the command we use most frequently. Simplified English must have a way for instructing Users how to do it. Otherwise, simplified English is completely useless. Thank you, Gillian Flato Technical Writer (Software) nanometrics 1550 Buckeye Dr. Milpitas, CA. 95035 9408.545.6316 7 408.232.5911 4 gfl...@nanometrics.com Well Done is better than Well Said - Benjamin Franklin -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:58 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: type vs enter In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a STE legal way to write the requested instructions. Clint Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace Electronics | +1 425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113 -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM To: Clara Hall Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: type vs enter When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the users found it confusing to Enter text and Press Enter. In my opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you type information if you're actually using the keyboard. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall ch...@atgshades.com wrote: Hello all, I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say Enter the information in the text field vs. type the information in the text field. this is for an online training course. As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking about online interactive lessons. Having said that, what do you think? and is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal preference. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. (561) 244-7372 www.atgshades.com http://www.atgshades.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jerilynne.kni...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jerilynne.knight%4 0gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as clint.o...@craneaerospace.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/clint.owen%40craneae rospace.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. We value your opinion! How may we serve you better? Please click the survey link to tell us how we are doing: http://www.craneae.com/ContactUs/VoiceofCustomer.aspx Your feedback is of the utmost importance to us. Thank you for your time. Crane Aerospace Electronics Confidentiality Statement: The information contained in this email message may be privileged and is confidential information intended only for the use of the recipient, or any
