Re: [Framers] Captions
Fantastic! Thanks for the feedback. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 3:27 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Captions Thanks for that tip, Rick. It works brilliantly, and it's so simple I'm surprised I didn't think of it. Doug On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:13 PM Rick Quatro wrote: > I am not sure how your document is set up, but I have done something > like > this: > > paragraph format: "anchor" with autonumber F: and color White. > This is the paragraph that has the anchored frame. > paragraph format: "caption" with autonumber F:Figure . > > All of my cross-references point to the anchor paragraph. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 > www.frameexpert.com/store/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > > On > Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 11:55 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Captions > > My shop's standard is to (sigh) put the captions below the objects. > My workaround for this is to put a xref link above the object. This > works well, except the object name/number in the xref link doesn't > update automatically if the caption changes. (This is the reason for > one of my feature requests I've submitted.) > > I was hoping I'd overlooked an easy solution to ensure my caption > names/numbers in the xref links would stay updated automagically. > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 9:07 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > Frame goes to where you put the cross-reference marker, so yes, if > > you want the graphic to be visible when you jump to it, you have to > > put the marker above the graphic. Frame only has one type of > > cross-reference marker; there is no way for the program to > > distinguish between "this place in the text", "this caption above a > > graphic", or > "this > caption below a graphic". > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:19 AM Doug wrote: > > > > > Is there an industry standard or best practice to follow when > > > deciding where to place the caption for an image, table, or > > > equation? The obvious choices are either above the object or below it. > > > > > > Also, if you place your captions below, how do you deal with > > > making cross-references to the caption? In my experience the > > > caption displays > > at > > > the top of the screen after the link jump. which puts the object > > > out of sight above the top of the screen in this case. > > > > > > It almost seems as if FrameMaker expects users to put captions > > > above the object. > > > > > > Doug > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > homepage at http://www.frameusers.c
Re: [Framers] Captions
Thanks for that tip, Rick. It works brilliantly, and it's so simple I'm surprised I didn't think of it. Doug On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:13 PM Rick Quatro wrote: > I am not sure how your document is set up, but I have done something like > this: > > paragraph format: "anchor" with autonumber F: and color White. This is > the paragraph that has the anchored frame. > paragraph format: "caption" with autonumber F:Figure . > > All of my cross-references point to the anchor paragraph. > > Rick Quatro > Carmen Publishing Inc. > r...@frameexpert.com > 585-729-6746 > www.frameexpert.com/store/ > > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers > On > Behalf Of Doug > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 11:55 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Captions > > My shop's standard is to (sigh) put the captions below the objects. My > workaround for this is to put a xref link above the object. This works > well, except the object name/number in the xref link doesn't update > automatically if the caption changes. (This is the reason for one of my > feature requests I've submitted.) > > I was hoping I'd overlooked an easy solution to ensure my caption > names/numbers in the xref links would stay updated automagically. > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 9:07 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > > Frame goes to where you put the cross-reference marker, so yes, if you > > want the graphic to be visible when you jump to it, you have to put > > the marker above the graphic. Frame only has one type of > > cross-reference marker; there is no way for the program to distinguish > > between "this place in the text", "this caption above a graphic", or > "this > caption below a graphic". > > > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:19 AM Doug wrote: > > > > > Is there an industry standard or best practice to follow when > > > deciding where to place the caption for an image, table, or > > > equation? The obvious choices are either above the object or below it. > > > > > > Also, if you place your captions below, how do you deal with making > > > cross-references to the caption? In my experience the caption > > > displays > > at > > > the top of the screen after the link jump. which puts the object out > > > of sight above the top of the screen in this case. > > > > > > It almost seems as if FrameMaker expects users to put captions above > > > the object. > > > > > > Doug > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Captions
I am not sure how your document is set up, but I have done something like this: paragraph format: "anchor" with autonumber F: and color White. This is the paragraph that has the anchored frame. paragraph format: "caption" with autonumber F:Figure . All of my cross-references point to the anchor paragraph. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-729-6746 www.frameexpert.com/store/ -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 11:55 AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] Captions My shop's standard is to (sigh) put the captions below the objects. My workaround for this is to put a xref link above the object. This works well, except the object name/number in the xref link doesn't update automatically if the caption changes. (This is the reason for one of my feature requests I've submitted.) I was hoping I'd overlooked an easy solution to ensure my caption names/numbers in the xref links would stay updated automagically. On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 9:07 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Frame goes to where you put the cross-reference marker, so yes, if you > want the graphic to be visible when you jump to it, you have to put > the marker above the graphic. Frame only has one type of > cross-reference marker; there is no way for the program to distinguish > between "this place in the text", "this caption above a graphic", or "this caption below a graphic". > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:19 AM Doug wrote: > > > Is there an industry standard or best practice to follow when > > deciding where to place the caption for an image, table, or > > equation? The obvious choices are either above the object or below it. > > > > Also, if you place your captions below, how do you deal with making > > cross-references to the caption? In my experience the caption > > displays > at > > the top of the screen after the link jump. which puts the object out > > of sight above the top of the screen in this case. > > > > It almost seems as if FrameMaker expects users to put captions above > > the object. > > > > Doug > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Captions
My shop's standard is to (sigh) put the captions below the objects. My workaround for this is to put a xref link above the object. This works well, except the object name/number in the xref link doesn't update automatically if the caption changes. (This is the reason for one of my feature requests I've submitted.) I was hoping I'd overlooked an easy solution to ensure my caption names/numbers in the xref links would stay updated automagically. On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 9:07 AM Lin Sims wrote: > Frame goes to where you put the cross-reference marker, so yes, if you want > the graphic to be visible when you jump to it, you have to put the marker > above the graphic. Frame only has one type of cross-reference marker; there > is no way for the program to distinguish between "this place in the text", > "this caption above a graphic", or "this caption below a graphic". > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:19 AM Doug wrote: > > > Is there an industry standard or best practice to follow when deciding > > where to place the caption for an image, table, or equation? The obvious > > choices are either above the object or below it. > > > > Also, if you place your captions below, how do you deal with making > > cross-references to the caption? In my experience the caption displays > at > > the top of the screen after the link jump. which puts the object out of > > sight above the top of the screen in this case. > > > > It almost seems as if FrameMaker expects users to put captions above the > > object. > > > > Doug > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Captions
Frame goes to where you put the cross-reference marker, so yes, if you want the graphic to be visible when you jump to it, you have to put the marker above the graphic. Frame only has one type of cross-reference marker; there is no way for the program to distinguish between "this place in the text", "this caption above a graphic", or "this caption below a graphic". On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:19 AM Doug wrote: > Is there an industry standard or best practice to follow when deciding > where to place the caption for an image, table, or equation? The obvious > choices are either above the object or below it. > > Also, if you place your captions below, how do you deal with making > cross-references to the caption? In my experience the caption displays at > the top of the screen after the link jump. which puts the object out of > sight above the top of the screen in this case. > > It almost seems as if FrameMaker expects users to put captions above the > object. > > Doug > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Captions
Hi Doug, My more academically inclined colleagues tell me (in Britain at least) table titles go above and figure titles go below. However, I've always put both above. For the reason that you state, about cross references going to the top of the page. The same happens in PDFs if you have bookmarked the titles. So, seeing the table or figure - or at least part of it - with the title has always seemed preferable. Ant On 13 December 2019 at 13:19 Doug < [1]dbailey4...@gmail.com> wrote: Is there an industry standard or best practice to follow when deciding where to place the caption for an image, table, or equation? The obvious choices are either above the object or below it. Also, if you place your captions below, how do you deal with making cross-references to the caption? In my experience the caption displays at the top of the screen after the link jump. which puts the object out of sight above the top of the screen in this case. It almost seems as if FrameMaker expects users to put captions above the object. Doug ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to [2]framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at [3]http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at [4]http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at [5]http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to [6]listad...@frameusers.com References 1. mailto:dbailey4...@gmail.com 2. mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com 3. http://www.frameusers.com/ 4. http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ 5. http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com 6. mailto:listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
