Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:03 -0600 7/12/09, Peter Gold wrote:

>Just a quick thought: With View > Text Symbols ON, does any frame in
>the text flow display the black line overflow indicator at the bottom
>of the frame?

No.

> This might shed a bit more light on where to seek the
>missing frame. It's a bit counter-intuitive because usually this only
>occurs in the last frame in a flow, one that lacks the Autoflow
>property to create a "next" frame for the overflow; it sounds as if
>this isn't the case for you.

I don't think so, but thanks for the idea. As I've posted, I do now have a 
workaound, which is the vital thing for getting this book out. If I have to do 
another using the same template, I'll so a 'drains up' on it and try to sort 
this out.

-- 
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Peter Gold]

Just a quick thought: With View > Text Symbols ON, does any frame in
the text flow display the black line overflow indicator at the bottom
of the frame? This might shed a bit more light on where to seek the
missing frame. It's a bit counter-intuitive because usually this only
occurs in the last frame in a flow, one that lacks the Autoflow
property to create a "next" frame for the overflow; it sounds as if
this isn't the case for you.

HTH

Regards,

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RE: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:37 -0500 7/12/09, Fred Ridder wrote:

>This is beginning to make sense. If the frames are anchored in a paragraph 
>that cannot extend across the sidehead area, and the frame is a little too 
>wide to fit within that margin, when you set the frame to float it will float 
>away until it finds a page that has a text frame that the graphic frame can 
>fit within. (This would seem to be one of the basuc use cases that floating 
>frames would be designed to accommodate.)  But when it doesn't find such a 
>page, it floats away into the ether.

Thanks for this insight, Fred. However, none of the paragraph styles extend 
into the side-head margin - so why doesn't every floating frame vanish (which 
they don't, only some)?

>As a test, I'd try manually widening the text frame on the page where you want 
>the graphic to float to. My guess is that the float will work in this case.

No: if I understand you correctly, then it still vanishes. However, if I make 
the anchored frame just less than the main used flow width (i.e. the master 
page frame minus the 30-point side-head), it doesn't vanish.

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RE: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Fred Ridder]

Steve Rickaby wrote:

> The template for this book was inherited from an Indian company, and had some 
> bad stuff in it (such as requiring a triple-click to select a word rather 
> than a double-click (!?&*?!), of which perhaps not all has been cleaned out. 
> The main flow has a 30-point left/right side-head margin, although I have no 
> idea why: it's not used for anything. We are stuck with this design as 
> several books have already been published using it.
> 
> Anyway, in the test file I can make a specific figure 'disappear' by floating 
> it. By experimentation, it seems that this problem only occurs if the 
> anchored frame is wide enough to move into the side-head margin. This effect 
> is reproducible:
> 
> . Set frame width to be inside side-head space
> 
> . Float it - figure behaves as expected
> 
> . Enlarge frame so that it just expands into side-head space
> 
> . Anchored frame vanishes


This is beginning to make sense. If the frames are anchored in a paragraph that 
cannot extend across the sidehead area, and the frame is a little too wide to 
fit within that margin, when you set the frame to float it will float away 
until it finds a page that has a text frame that the graphic frame can fit 
within. (This would seem to be one of the basuc use cases that floating frames 
would be designed to accommodate.)  But when it doesn't find such a page, it 
floats away into the ether. 

As a test, I'd try manually widening the text frame on the page where you want 
the graphic to float to. My guess is that the float will work in this case. 
Then try restoring that page to normal and widening a page farther on in the 
file; my guess is that the graphic will float to the new widened locatin.

-Fred Ridder  
  
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 07:04 -0800 7/12/09, Les Smalley wrote:

>Are your frames anchored to a unique paragraph tag?

No, not at present.

>  If they are, a possible fix is to change the pagination properties for the 
> 'anchor' paragraph to be across all columns and sideheads.  You may need to 
> adjust the anchored frame placement if it in fact does indent based on the 
> sidehead margin which I know is a pain...

Good to know.

>If the sidehead margin really isn't used, meaning all the paragraph style are 
>set to span across columns and sideheads, why can't you delete it?

I guess I could delete it and make the master page text frames the width of the 
currently used page area (nothing flows into the side-head areas). But as I 
posted this morning, I seem to have a workaround by making the anchored frames 
slightly less than the width of the main flow minus the side-head.

>If the template has other problems as you indicate, I would try a test: create 
>a new blank document, set up the master (with the possible exception of the 
>sidehead space) and reference pages manually to match the document design in 
>question, and then import only the paragraph, character, table and 
>cross-reference formats from an original document.  Test this as a template on 
>a couple of files to see if the problems are solved.

Ok, will do. Thanks.

-- 
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Les Smalley]

Are your frames anchored to a unique paragraph tag?  If they are, a possible 
fix is to change the pagination properties for the 'anchor' paragraph to be 
across all columns and sideheads.  You may need to adjust the anchored frame 
placement if it in fact does indent based on the sidehead margin which I know 
is a pain...

If the sidehead margin really isn't used, meaning all the paragraph style are 
set to span across columns and sideheads, why can't you delete it?  It should 
have no visible effect on the documents and may simplify work going forward as 
well as possibly eliminate the disappearing anchored frame issue.  

If the template has other problems as you indicate, I would try a test: create 
a new blank document, set up the master (with the possible exception of the 
sidehead space) and reference pages manually to match the document design in 
question, and then import only the paragraph, character, table and 
cross-reference formats from an original document.  Test this as a template on 
a couple of files to see if the problems are solved.

– Les

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
I have made a little progress by messing with a test file. I'm still looking 
for quick fixes, of necessity.

The template for this book was inherited from an Indian company, and had some 
bad stuff in it (such as requiring a triple-click to select a word rather than 
a double-click (!?&*?!), of which perhaps not all has been cleaned out. The 
main flow has a 30-point left/right side-head margin, although I have no idea 
why: it's not used for anything. We are stuck with this design as several books 
have already been published using it.

Anyway, in the test file I can make a specific figure 'disappear' by floating 
it. By experimentation, it seems that this problem only occurs if the anchored 
frame is wide enough to move into the side-head margin. This effect is 
reproducible:

. Set frame width to be inside side-head space

. Float it - figure behaves as expected

. Enlarge frame so that it just expands into side-head space

. Anchored frame vanishes

. Undo - anchored frame reappears

When the frame is visible, FrameMaker places it such that it divides the rows 
of a table. That might be part of the bug.

This at least gives me a possible workaround. I will persist.

-- 
Steve



  
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

I have made a little progress by messing with a test file. I'm still looking 
for quick fixes, of necessity.

The template for this book was inherited from an Indian company, and had some 
bad stuff in it (such as requiring a triple-click to select a word rather than 
a double-click (!?&*?!), of which perhaps not all has been cleaned out. The 
main flow has a 30-point left/right side-head margin, although I have no idea 
why: it's not used for anything. We are stuck with this design as several books 
have already been published using it.

Anyway, in the test file I can make a specific figure 'disappear' by floating 
it. By experimentation, it seems that this problem only occurs if the anchored 
frame is wide enough to move into the side-head margin. This effect is 
reproducible:

. Set frame width to be inside side-head space

. Float it - figure behaves as expected

. Enlarge frame so that it just expands into side-head space

. Anchored frame vanishes

. Undo - anchored frame reappears

When the frame is visible, FrameMaker places it such that it divides the rows 
of a table. That might be part of the bug.

This at least gives me a possible workaround. I will persist.

-- 
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 01:12 -0800 7/12/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> >I cannot do that at this stage from the Word sources, as
>>the book has been heavily edited (and typeset). Would
>>cutting and pasting from the FrameMaker document into a
>>clean new FrameMaker document and reformatting work?
>
>Yes.  It doesn't matter where you get the plain text from. I'd suggest if you 
>go that way, use Frame to convert all your tables to text first; then on the 
>other end, convert back to tables.  That should minimize the pain for them.

I'll give it a try, certainly. Pasting as plain text would lose index markers, 
though.

>You might want to try it on a page or two first, to get a feel for how much 
>work is involved.  If it's a lot, well, Rick Quattro develops plugins for such 
>tasks at reasonable cost...  but it may be less trouble than it sounds like. 
>Worst case, if it doesn't help, you'll know for sure that it's a Frame bug.

Thanks. FrameScript is something I've not tried, and as I'm currently (although 
at this rate, not for long) on Macintosh, it's not a route that is open to me.

-- 
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 7 Dec 2009 08:44:33 +, Steve Rickaby 
 wrote:

>At 13:44 -0800 4/12/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
>
>> >the only unusual thing about this book is that
>>>the source files were brought in from Word via RTF
>>
>>That could very likely be the culprit. The RTF and Word 
>>import filters are VERY BAD, and introduce many strange 
>>artifacts into the resulting Frame file.  These can and 
>>will bite you again and again. MIF washing will do no good.
>
>Ah. Will anything else?

Not that I know of, unless someone has developed a plugin
to deal with this.  Or written a FrameScript to do the
process, which I think is possible.

>>That's why we strongly advise people to do all Word 
>>import by copying the Word doc content and using Paste 
>>Special to put it in as "Plain Text". It's the only way 
>>we know to avoid the sort of pain you are experiencing 
>>now.  It may seem to take longer to do it that way, but 
>>it gives youa nice stable document,and that's well worth it.
>
>Noted.
>
>>Even at this point, you might still consider that, but 
>>after you've put a lot of work in it's harder to bring 
>>yourself to do it...
>
>I cannot do that at this stage from the Word sources, as 
>the book has been heavily edited (and typeset). Would 
>cutting and pasting from the FrameMaker document into a 
>clean new FrameMaker document and reformatting work?

Yes.  It doesn't matter where you get the plain text from.
I'd suggest if you go that way, use Frame to convert all
your tables to text first; then on the other end, convert
back to tables.  That should minimize the pain for them.

The graphics I'd reimport, especially since that's where
your problem manifested.  Hopefully you don't have callouts
to create...

You might want to try it on a page or two first, to get a
feel for how much work is involved.  If it's a lot, well,
Rick Quattro develops plugins for such tasks at reasonable
cost...  but it may be less trouble than it sounds like.
Worst case, if it doesn't help, you'll know for sure that
it's a Frame bug.

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 13:44 -0800 4/12/09, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> >the only unusual thing about this book is that
>>the source files were brought in from Word via RTF
>
>That could very likely be the culprit. The RTF and Word import filters are 
>VERY BAD, and introduce many strange artifacts into the resulting Frame file.  
>These can and will bite you again and again. MIF washing will do no good.

Ah. Will anything else?

>That's why we strongly advise people to do all Word import by copying the Word 
>doc content and using Paste Special to put it in as "Plain Text". It's the 
>only way we know to avoid the sort of pain you are experiencing now.  It may 
>seem to take longer to do it that way, but it gives youa nice stable 
>document,and that's well worth it.

Noted.

>Even at this point, you might still consider that, but after you've put a lot 
>of work in it'sharder to bring yourself to do it...

I cannot do that at this stage from the Word sources, as the book has been 
heavily edited (and typeset). Would cutting and pasting from the FrameMaker 
document into a clean new FrameMaker document and reformatting work?

-- 
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 08:57:01 +, Steve Rickaby 
 wrote:

>the only unusual thing about this book is that 
>the source files were brought in from Word via RTF

That could very likely be the culprit.  The RTF
and Word import filters are VERY BAD, and introduce
many strange artifacts into the resulting Frame
file.  These can and will bite you again and again.
MIF washing will do no good.

That's why we strongly advise people to do all 
Word import by copying the Word doc content and 
using Paste Special to put it in as "Plain Text".
It's the only way we know to avoid the sort of 
pain you are experiencing now.  It may seem to 
take longer to do it that way, but it gives you
a nice stable document, and that's well worth it.

Even at this point, you might still consider
that, but after you've put a lot of work in it's
harder to bring yourself to do it...

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 08:49 -0500 4/12/09, Art Campbell wrote:

>I'd suggest that part of your testing include less vintage versions. 7.0 was 
>buggy enough that 7.1 and 7.2 were pushed out the door

Well, v. 7 is all that is available to me, as I'm on a pre-Intel Mac, at least 
for the present. You may be right about bugs, but this is something I've not 
seen before, and I've produced about a dozen quite complex books in v. 7.

>If you want to send me one of the problem files, I'll be happy to look at it 
>in 9, or 8.

Thanks Art. When I've got the book cracked I'll try to set up some test files 
that manifest the several problems.

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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Art Campbell]

I'd suggest that part of your testing include less vintage versions. 7.0 was
buggy enough that 7.1 and 7.2 were pushed out the door

If you want to send me one of the problem files, I'll be happy to look at it
in 9, or 8.

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> No answers on this yet but this FrameMaker file clearly has some bad juju
> in it, despite MIF-washing: in repaginating it, I've just had FrameMaker
> display only half of a floating table.
>
> When I've put the book to bed I will do some experimentation with this
> document and try to get clearer picture of what's going on.
>
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

No answers on this yet but this FrameMaker file clearly has some bad juju in 
it, despite MIF-washing: in repaginating it, I've just had FrameMaker display 
only half of a floating table.

When I've put the book to bed I will do some experimentation with this document 
and try to get clearer picture of what's going on.

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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:48 + 1/12/09, I wrote:

>As another aside, I just noticed that FrameMaker doesn't increment autonumbers 
>if the autonumbered paragraphs lie in disjoint text frames that are themselves 
>within an anchored frame. This is true even if both frames belong to the same 
>named flow. I wonder if this classifies as a bug, or whether it's intentional?

Klaus has pointed out that it's necessary to link the text frames that lie in 
the same anchored frame.

Duh...
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

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On 1 Dec 2009 at 9:48, Steve Rickaby wrote:

> Yes, but it still shouldn't have disappeared. In this case the following
> few pages have a stack of tables and both anchored and floating frames.

I once had the problem describe here: http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker33.html
I guess the same may happen to anchored frames.

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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

As a prefix to this, I've only this week discovered that the reason my posts 
have been going into digital limbo for a while is that the mail list address 
has changed. That's a relief: I thought I'd been blacklisted ;-)

At 18:06 -0600 30/11/09, Peter Gold wrote:

>Have you tried selecting an anchor and applying a 100% black border of several 
>points width to display the a-frame?

No: that's a good idea. Or a solid black fill. I'll try it: need to get to the 
bottom of this.

At present I'm working hard to get this book complete, and I've worked around 
the anchored frame problem, more by luck than judgement. I'll put some time in 
to setting up a test file and messing with it, hopefully today. I don't know 
why the problem 'went away'- which is worrying in itself - so it might take a 
bit of time to replicate it.

>If the frame has the float property, it's possible that it's moved to the next 
>connected text frame in the text flow.

Yes, but it still shouldn't have disappeared. In this case the following few 
pages have a stack of tables and both anchored and floating frames.

The last time I saw this sort of behaviour was in Word 6 for the Mac in about 
'95, in which figures would float off the bottom of a page and fail to appear 
at the top of the next one, as if there was some sort of digital netherworld 
beneath the page foot. A call to M$hate support elicited the response 'It 
sounds as if you're trying to do something too complex for Word: have you 
considered using FrameMaker?'! But the client mandated Word.

> If View > Show Borders is on, you can look for the black line at the bottom 
> of a text frame that indicates overflowed content that has no place to go - 
> i.e, no next frame in the flow.

Yup, but in this case the vanishing frames were only about one third of a page.

As an aside, I think a special torment in Hell should be reserved for software 
textbook authors who insist on including code samples that are longer than a 
single page. If they fall in the text flow there's no problem, but for some 
books we set these in shaded call-outs, in this case with figure titles, and 
the only vaguely adequate way I know how to do this in Frame is to use 
single-column tables. Messing with rows/page breaks during final pagination is 
a real pain, and all the cutting and pasting it involves increases the chance 
that something will get lost. If anyone knows of a more elegant way I'd be 
interested. This is, probably, completely unrelated to the anchored frame 
issue, except that it means that a book has a *lot* of tables and anchored 
frames.

As another aside, I just noticed that FrameMaker doesn't increment autonumbers 
if the autonumbered paragraphs lie in disjoint text frames that are themselves 
within an anchored frame. This is true even if both frames belong to the same 
named flow. I wonder if this classifies as a bug, or whether it's intentional?

It's an odd thing: after years of completely reliable hard-core service from 
FrameMaker, this particular book is throwing up quite a few issues I've never 
seen before, including some crashes and freezes. Maybe it's jinxed.

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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Peter Gold]

Have you tried selecting an anchor and applying a 100% black border of
several points width to display the a-frame? If the frame has the
float property, it's possible that it's moved to the next connected
text frame in the text flow. If View > Show Borders is on, you can
look for the black line at the bottom of a text frame that indicates
overflowed content that has no place to go - i.e, no next frame in the
flow.

HTH

Regards,

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On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Steve Rickaby
 wrote:
> At 11:37 -0800 30/11/09, Les Smalley wrote:
>
>>Are other graphic visible?
>
> Yes.
>
>>  In the View > Options dialog, there's a check box to hide graphics (makes 
>> scrolling through pages much faster).
>
> No, that's not it: all other graphics display normally.
>
>>Is it possible that the offset info is corrupt so the image is masked by the 
>>anchored frame?  If you see the a-frame, click on its border and then 
>>control-a to select the contents and then use Graphics > Object Properties to 
>>see and adjust as needed.   Or the Run-Around properties are out-of-whack
>
> Now that's possible. When the problem manifests itself, only the anchor is 
> visible: there is no frame border to click on.
>
>>Another outside possibility is that there is a duplicate text frame 
>>overlaying them, but you can often discern that if you page backward and 
>>forward - the graphic will 'flash' for a second before being covered by the 
>>text frame.
>
> Yes, I've seen that, but I don't see that behaviour here.
>
> I will set up a test file that manifests the problem and do some forensics on 
> it.
>
>>None of these sound particualrly likely from your description, but you never 
>>know what may help resolve one of these situations or trigger the "eureka" 
>>moment to fix it...
>>
>>Good luck, and let us know the outcome.
>
> Sure will, and thanks. I'm sure there is an explanation and a solution, but 
> this is a particularly nasty bug as, in a book with hundreds of figures, one 
> disappearing might go unnoticed unless an explicit check was done. Anchored 
> frames is something one tends to rely on FrameMaker to get right.
>
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 11:37 -0800 30/11/09, Les Smalley wrote:

>Are other graphic visible?

Yes.

>  In the View > Options dialog, there's a check box to hide graphics (makes 
> scrolling through pages much faster).

No, that's not it: all other graphics display normally.

>Is it possible that the offset info is corrupt so the image is masked by the 
>anchored frame?  If you see the a-frame, click on its border and then 
>control-a to select the contents and then use Graphics > Object Properties to 
>see and adjust as needed.   Or the Run-Around properties are out-of-whack

Now that's possible. When the problem manifests itself, only the anchor is 
visible: there is no frame border to click on.

>Another outside possibility is that there is a duplicate text frame overlaying 
>them, but you can often discern that if you page backward and forward - the 
>graphic will 'flash' for a second before being covered by the text frame.

Yes, I've seen that, but I don't see that behaviour here.

I will set up a test file that manifests the problem and do some forensics on 
it.

>None of these sound particualrly likely from your description, but you never 
>know what may help resolve one of these situations or trigger the "eureka" 
>moment to fix it...
>
>Good luck, and let us know the outcome.

Sure will, and thanks. I'm sure there is an explanation and a solution, but 
this is a particularly nasty bug as, in a book with hundreds of figures, one 
disappearing might go unnoticed unless an explicit check was done. Anchored 
frames is something one tends to rely on FrameMaker to get right.

-- 
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Re: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Les Smalley]

Are other graphic visible?  In the View > Options dialog, there's a check box 
to hide graphics (makes scrolling through pages much faster).

Is it possible that the offset info is corrupt so the image is masked by the 
anchored frame?  If you see the a-frame, click on its border and then control-a 
to select the contents and then use Graphics > Object Properties to see and 
adjust as needed.   Or the Run-Around properties are out-of-whack

Another outside possibility is that there is a duplicate text frame overlaying 
them, but you can often discern that if you page backward and forward - the 
graphic will 'flash' for a second before being covered by the text frame.  The 
duplicate frame happens all-too-easily if you control-drag on the page - the 
"shortcut" to duplicate an object in FM.

None of these sound particualrly likely from your description, but you never 
know what may help resolve one of these situations or trigger the "eureka" 
moment to fix it...

Good luck, and let us know the outcome.

– Les

--- On Mon, 11/30/09, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
FrameMaker 7.0 in Classic on OS X 10.4.11.

In twenty years I've never seen this. In the book I'm working on one chapter 
has many anchored frames and a few tables. While adjusting these to optimize 
the pagination, I've cut and pasted anchored frames only to have them not 
display. The anchor is there and can be searched for, but the frame is 
invisible: it's as if it's gone behind another frame or table. Frame contents 
are PDF files imported by reference.

the only unusual thing about this book is that the source files were brought in 
from Word via RTF, but MIF-washing does not seem to affect this issue. This is 
by far the most serious bug I've ever come across in what is otherwise and 
outstandingly reliable product. My question: has anyone else seen this 
behaviour, and if so, do you know the cause and a fix?

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RE: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Steve Rickaby]

At 09:06 -0500 30/11/09, Shuttleworth, Roger wrote:

>I wonder if the frame is 1 point in height and width - that is, empty and 
>shrinkwrapped.

No, these were large frames with graphics contents. Copied to an empty 
FrameMaker document, they display normally.

>If you can select the anchor, can you do Esc,s,a to open the
>frame properties dialog box? If so, what happens if you change the dimensions 
>to something that should be visible?

See above. Selecting the anchor works. I will try and replicate the problem 
later to see what FrameMaker thinks are the 'missing' frame's parameters, 
though: that might reveal something.

>Another thing: is the frame in its own anchor paragraph?

No.

Thanks for your suggestions.

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RE: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

[Shuttleworth, Roger]

Hi Steve

I wonder if the frame is 1 point in height and width - that is, empty and 
shrinkwrapped. If you can select the anchor, can you do Esc,s,a to open the
frame properties dialog box? If so, what happens if you change the dimensions 
to something that should be visible?

Another thing: is the frame in its own anchor paragraph? If so, is the line 
height set to Fixed in the paragraph designer?

Hope this helps.

Roger Shuttleworth
London, Canada



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Subject: Disappearing anchored frames: strange FrameMaker bug

FrameMaker 7.0 in Classic on OS X 10.4.11.

In twenty years I've never seen this. In the book I'm working on one chapter 
has many anchored frames and a few tables. While adjusting these to
optimize the pagination, I've cut and pasted anchored frames only to have them 
not display. The anchor is there and can be searched for, but the frame
is invisible: it's as if it's gone behind another frame or table. Frame 
contents are PDF files imported by reference.

the only unusual thing about this book is that the source files were brought in 
from Word via RTF, but MIF-washing does not seem to affect this issue.
This is by far the most serious bug I've ever come across in what is otherwise 
and outstandingly reliable product. My question: has anyone else seen
this behaviour, and if so, do you know the cause and a fix?

-- 
Steve Rickaby   
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