Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Well, it doesn't work that way for me. Laptop: four year old Sony, optimized for battery life over performance; 1.2 GHz, .5 GB RAM (!!), XP SP3; FM8p273. Desktop: Dual CPU 2.13 GHz, 4GB RAM, Vista SP1; FM8p277. With the desktop it takes six seconds to scroll across two 90character lines with Paragraph, Character, and Table Designers open. Also six seconds with all designers closed. Plus or minus a second. Tried it with Photoshop and Illustrator also open; same result. With the laptop, ten seconds with 'em open, six with 'em closed. A modest hit, I say, for a machine that's always sluggish. Maybe the complexity of the document matters. I used a single, fourteen page document with only four paragraph tags. No graphics, no tables. That desktop is by no means high performance. I bought a similar one for my wife last month for under $500. I've always found Vista to be very snappy, even as others have complained of sluggish performance. Alan Barber Richard Combs wrote: Your explanation makes sense, and suggests that the degree of slowdown will depend on how many different pgf and char tags the cursor moves through. There's a lot of information displayed in the Designer dialogs, and if it changes every few characters or lines... I *think* (not sure though) that FM seems to check *every* time the arrow key is pressed, regardless of whether there is an actual char tag that it moves through. So, it slows down even when simply moving along the same paragraph for example. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Hi Syed, 2GB of memory is not much for Vista. I would suggest at least 3GB. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hmmm ... I would suggest doing some testing to see if you see what I just saw ... I decided to try to duplicate what I was reading here. I have a fast Windows laptop and tested moving around a document with the arrow keys with, and without, the designer boxes open. Running FrameMaker 8, latest patch, on (recently loaded) Vista 32bit on a Dell Latitude 820 laptop, with a 2.16GHz Core Duo proc, 2GB of memory, fast 7200rpm drive. My results *definitely* confirmed that the cursor movement with the arrows is MUCH faster with the designer boxes not visible. Since I have a fast computer, I had only seen a bit of sluggishness in the past (I keep the Paragraph, Character and Table designer boxes open), but did not bother to track it down. However, the difference is sufficiently dramatic that I now plan to work with the designer dialog boxes closed! Not my preferred mode, fwiw, so I hope Adobe improves this issue. I attribute this sluggishness to the continuous check and show the paragraph and character information in the designer dialog boxes while the cursor is being moved around with the arrow keys - something needs to be speeded up here for sure! Thanks for this thread, folks! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Responding to Syed Hosain, Rick Quatro wrote: 2GB of memory is not much for Vista. I would suggest at least 3GB. The 32-bit versions of Vista can only address 3 GB of memory, so more than that amount doesn't improve performance unless you're running the 64-bit (Ultimate) version of Vista. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Hi, Rick. In the recent past, after I upgraded to Vista, I examined the actual physical (i.e., not paged to disk) memory being used while I have had some large FM documents open, and that was not an issue, as far as I could tell. However, I was thinking of bumping the memory up anyway, so I will try that as an option and also see if it has any effect on the issue described below - the local Fry's Electronics is having a sale on notebook memory: 4GB for $35 plus tax right now. Not bad at all! Z -Original Message- From: Rick Quatro [mailto:frameexp...@truevine.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:36 AM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC Hi Syed, 2GB of memory is not much for Vista. I would suggest at least 3GB. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com Hmmm ... I would suggest doing some testing to see if you see what I just saw ... I decided to try to duplicate what I was reading here. I have a fast Windows laptop and tested moving around a document with the arrow keys with, and without, the designer boxes open. Running FrameMaker 8, latest patch, on (recently loaded) Vista 32bit on a Dell Latitude 820 laptop, with a 2.16GHz Core Duo proc, 2GB of memory, fast 7200rpm drive. My results *definitely* confirmed that the cursor movement with the arrows is MUCH faster with the designer boxes not visible. Since I have a fast computer, I had only seen a bit of sluggishness in the past (I keep the Paragraph, Character and Table designer boxes open), but did not bother to track it down. However, the difference is sufficiently dramatic that I now plan to work with the designer dialog boxes closed! Not my preferred mode, fwiw, so I hope Adobe improves this issue. I attribute this sluggishness to the continuous check and show the paragraph and character information in the designer dialog boxes while the cursor is being moved around with the arrow keys - something needs to be speeded up here for sure! Thanks for this thread, folks! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Fred Ridder said: Ø The 32-bit versions of Vista can only address 3 GB of memory, so more than that amount doesn't improve performance unless you're running the 64-bit (Ultimate) version of Vista. Yup! But you don't have to go all the way to Ultimate 64. Just as an FYI, there is a Vista Business 64 available as well - a tiny bit cheaper, and still supports 4GB (and more) memory. One of the reasons I asked about 64 bit operation a few weeks/months ago on this list. J Unfortunately, due to some other driver reasons, I could not install that (I had both 32 and 64 bit Vista Business upgrade disks available). But I will see if I can do that in the near future since I will be changing my laptop for a faster version in a few months - it is acting a bit flaky and locking up on me occasionally. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Hi, I often have lots of dialog boxes open (e.g. paragraph/ character designer, marker window), and I do not notice anything special. Specifically jumping around with the insertion mark or selecting text is fast. I have FM 8.0p277, 1 GB RAM, Windows 2000 Professional. Therefore I do not think that dialog boxes in general cause problems. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:20 PM To: Avraham Makeler Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC The designer boxes may have caused the problem, but you're going to run into more problems with only 1G of RAM. That's a very minimal amount... 2G or more is recommended if you work with long documents or want to have another RAM-hungry application running at the same time (like photoshop). ARt Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen you're a genius! I was l always working with the Designer dial boxes open (definitely more professional that way... - like having side panels open in Vis Studio, and HTML editors etc.), so I closed them, and la voila! that did the trick! Thanks! - avi On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.com wrote: Hi, Same thing happens to me with FM 8..when the Hypertext dialog box is open... Have a nice day! At 12:31 PM 19/01/2009, Avraham Makeler wrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sobr...@innovmetric.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40 innovmetric.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Stephen O'Brien Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc. 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310 Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6 Tel.: (418) 688-2061 Fax: (418) 688-3001 E-mail: sobr...@innovmetric.com www.innovmetric.com PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbe ll%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as wr...@tycoint.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40ty coint.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
I have demo-ed to myself that it is the Para Designer dial box that clobbers my editing speed. It's repeatable on my machine. Every computer architecture is different. So I just found a weak spot in my arch. as compared to some other machine. Tnx avi On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Reng, Winfried wr...@tycoint.com wrote: Hi, I often have lots of dialog boxes open (e.g. paragraph/ character designer, marker window), and I do not notice anything special. Specifically jumping around with the insertion mark or selecting text is fast. I have FM 8.0p277, 1 GB RAM, Windows 2000 Professional. Therefore I do not think that dialog boxes in general cause problems. Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 8:20 PM To: Avraham Makeler Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC The designer boxes may have caused the problem, but you're going to run into more problems with only 1G of RAM. That's a very minimal amount... 2G or more is recommended if you work with long documents or want to have another RAM-hungry application running at the same time (like photoshop). ARt Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen you're a genius! I was l always working with the Designer dial boxes open (definitely more professional that way... - like having side panels open in Vis Studio, and HTML editors etc.), so I closed them, and la voila! that did the trick! Thanks! - avi On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.com wrote: Hi, Same thing happens to me with FM 8..when the Hypertext dialog box is open... Have a nice day! At 12:31 PM 19/01/2009, Avraham Makeler wrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sobr...@innovmetric.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40 innovmetric.comhttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40innovmetric.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Stephen O'Brien Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc. 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310 Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6 Tel.: (418) 688-2061 Fax: (418) 688-3001 E-mail: sobr...@innovmetric.com www.innovmetric.com PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbe ll%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as wr...@tycoint.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40ty coint.comhttp://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40tycoint.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as amake...@gmail.com. Send
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
I have the same slow cursor speed with FrameMaker 8.0p277 on Windows XP Pro and on Vista. 1. If the Paragraph Designer is the only palette open, it takes 8 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column using the right-arrow key. 2. If the Character Designer is the only palette open, it takes 4 seconds to scroll. 3. If any of the other palettes are open alone, it takes only 2-seconds to scroll, which is about what I expect. Opening palettes in combination slows the scroll rate further. There are six palettes that I like to have open: the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, and Table Designer, and the Paragraph Catalog, Character Catalog, and Tool palette. I've discovered that two of these are causing the issue. Here are some notes: 1. If all six palettes are open, it takes about 13 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column by holding down the right arrow key. Yikes! Too slow! 2. If I then close the Paragraph Designer, it only takes about 5 seconds to scroll across the column. 3. If I also close the Character Designer, it drops to around 2 seconds. That's about as it should be. 4. Closing any or all of the remaining palettes also results in a 2-second normal scroll rate. So the slowness problem appears to be linked to having the Paragraph Designer and Character Designer palettes. Hopefully, this issue will be fixed with FrameMaker 9. Yes, I'm an optimist. :) Mike Wickham - Original Message - From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:30 AM Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC I have demo-ed to myself that it is the Para Designer dial box that clobbers my editing speed. It's repeatable on my machine. Every computer architecture is different. So I just found a weak spot in my arch. as compared to some other machine. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Thanks for the detailed reply, Mike. This thread has confirmed the behaviour I noticed last year when we upgraded from Frame 6 to Frame 8. In fact, I posted to the list about it in September, but I think I only got one reply. This is what I found last year: ** Hi I've noticed at times that moving the cursor around in a Frame 8 file can be rather sluggish. This is when I'm using the arrow key to move the cursor along a line of text. I've also noticed that using the shift+arrow keys to select text can be really slow as well. However, at other times the cursor moves at what I consider to be a normal speed. The other day I think I found out why. The movement of the cursor slows right down when I have Paragraph Designer open. I did a timed test on a random line of text. With PD closed, it took 4 seconds to run the cursor from one end of the line to the other, but with PD open it took 14 seconds. If I selected the line using Shift+arrow, the times were about the same. I repeated the test with PD closed and Character Designer open, but this time it took about 5 seconds. I've duplicated the test in Frame 6, and both PD and CD have no noticeable effect on the speed of the cursor movement. Has anyone else noticed this behaviour? It's not a big problem, just a nuisance. I'm on Frame 8.0p277 and Win XP. Pentium 4 dual core 3GHz with 1GB RAM. *** It's almost as if the Designer is scanning the paragraph for information each time the cursor is moved. For example, if I open PD and select the Default Font Tab, put the cursor in a row of body text and press the right arrow to move the cursor along the line of text, I notice that the word Black in the Color field in PD flashes in time with the movement of the cursor. Does this mean that PD is checking the font colour and redisplaying it each time the cursor moves? Regards Dave Mike Wickham wrote, on 21/01/2009 8:52 a.m.: I have the same slow cursor speed with FrameMaker 8.0p277 on Windows XP Pro and on Vista. 1. If the Paragraph Designer is the only palette open, it takes 8 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column using the right-arrow key. 2. If the Character Designer is the only palette open, it takes 4 seconds to scroll. 3. If any of the other palettes are open alone, it takes only 2-seconds to scroll, which is about what I expect. Opening palettes in combination slows the scroll rate further. There are six palettes that I like to have open: the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, and Table Designer, and the Paragraph Catalog, Character Catalog, and Tool palette. I've discovered that two of these are causing the issue. Here are some notes: 1. If all six palettes are open, it takes about 13 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column by holding down the right arrow key. Yikes! Too slow! 2. If I then close the Paragraph Designer, it only takes about 5 seconds to scroll across the column. 3. If I also close the Character Designer, it drops to around 2 seconds. That's about as it should be. 4. Closing any or all of the remaining palettes also results in a 2-second normal scroll rate. So the slowness problem appears to be linked to having the Paragraph Designer and Character Designer palettes. Hopefully, this issue will be fixed with FrameMaker 9. Yes, I'm an optimist. :) Mike Wickham - Original Message - From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:30 AM Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC I have demo-ed to myself that it is the Para Designer dial box that clobbers my editing speed. It's repeatable on my machine. Every computer architecture is different. So I just found a weak spot in my arch. as compared to some other machine. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
This pretty much sums up what I saw with some testing too, but I did not go to the level of detail that you have done here! I think that the constant refresh of information inside the Para and Char Designer boxes is what causes the slowdown. Thanks for the detailed information, Mike! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:52 AM To: Avraham Makeler; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC I have the same slow cursor speed with FrameMaker 8.0p277 on Windows XP Pro and on Vista. 1. If the Paragraph Designer is the only palette open, it takes 8 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column using the right-arrow key. 2. If the Character Designer is the only palette open, it takes 4 seconds to scroll. 3. If any of the other palettes are open alone, it takes only 2-seconds to scroll, which is about what I expect. Opening palettes in combination slows the scroll rate further. There are six palettes that I like to have open: the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, and Table Designer, and the Paragraph Catalog, Character Catalog, and Tool palette. I've discovered that two of these are causing the issue. Here are some notes: 1. If all six palettes are open, it takes about 13 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column by holding down the right arrow key. Yikes! Too slow! 2. If I then close the Paragraph Designer, it only takes about 5 seconds to scroll across the column. 3. If I also close the Character Designer, it drops to around 2 seconds. That's about as it should be. 4. Closing any or all of the remaining palettes also results in a 2-second normal scroll rate. So the slowness problem appears to be linked to having the Paragraph Designer and Character Designer palettes. Hopefully, this issue will be fixed with FrameMaker 9. Yes, I'm an optimist. :) Mike Wickham - Original Message - From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:30 AM Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC I have demo-ed to myself that it is the Para Designer dial box that clobbers my editing speed. It's repeatable on my machine. Every computer architecture is different. So I just found a weak spot in my arch. as compared to some other machine. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris. net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
It may be good news that FrameMaker v9 includes the para, char, and other design windows as floating pallets. In my tests on v9, there was no discernable difference when the pallets were displayed or closed. The pallets can be minimized at two levels. To recap: I think we are pretty well resolved that the issue with FrameMaker 8 is caused by mouse gestures that must be registered in the open dialog windows...pretty code intensive/processor intensive. I believe this issue is resolved with FM v9...regards, Kelly. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of syed.hos...@aeris.net Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:19 PM To: Mike Wickham; Avraham Makeler; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC This pretty much sums up what I saw with some testing too, but I did not go to the level of detail that you have done here! I think that the constant refresh of information inside the Para and Char Designer boxes is what causes the slowdown. Thanks for the detailed information, Mike! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:52 AM To: Avraham Makeler; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC I have the same slow cursor speed with FrameMaker 8.0p277 on Windows XP Pro and on Vista. 1. If the Paragraph Designer is the only palette open, it takes 8 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column using the right-arrow key. 2. If the Character Designer is the only palette open, it takes 4 seconds to scroll. 3. If any of the other palettes are open alone, it takes only 2-seconds to scroll, which is about what I expect. Opening palettes in combination slows the scroll rate further. There are six palettes that I like to have open: the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, and Table Designer, and the Paragraph Catalog, Character Catalog, and Tool palette. I've discovered that two of these are causing the issue. Here are some notes: 1. If all six palettes are open, it takes about 13 seconds to scroll across a 50-character column by holding down the right arrow key. Yikes! Too slow! 2. If I then close the Paragraph Designer, it only takes about 5 seconds to scroll across the column. 3. If I also close the Character Designer, it drops to around 2 seconds. That's about as it should be. 4. Closing any or all of the remaining palettes also results in a 2-second normal scroll rate. So the slowness problem appears to be linked to having the Paragraph Designer and Character Designer palettes. Hopefully, this issue will be fixed with FrameMaker 9. Yes, I'm an optimist. :) Mike Wickham - Original Message - From: Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:30 AM Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC I have demo-ed to myself that it is the Para Designer dial box that clobbers my editing speed. It's repeatable on my machine. Every computer architecture is different. So I just found a weak spot in my arch. as compared to some other machine. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris. net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kmcdan...@pavtech.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: My results *definitely* confirmed that the cursor movement with the arrows is MUCH faster with the designer boxes not visible. Since I have a fast computer, I had only seen a bit of sluggishness in the past (I keep the Paragraph, Character and Table designer boxes open), but did not bother to track it down. However, the difference is sufficiently dramatic that I now plan to work with the designer dialog boxes closed! Not my preferred mode, fwiw, so I hope Adobe improves this issue. I attribute this sluggishness to the continuous check and show the paragraph and character information in the designer dialog boxes while the cursor is being moved around with the arrow keys - something needs to be speeded up here for sure! Your explanation makes sense, and suggests that the degree of slowdown will depend on how many different pgf and char tags the cursor moves through. There's a lot of information displayed in the Designer dialogs, and if it changes every few characters or lines... But what I don't understand is why so many Framers are saying they work with some or all of the Designer dialogs open. Why? Are you all creating new formats on the fly, continually as you write?? I don't design formats while authoring docs. So, with rare and brief exceptions, the only time I have the Designer dialogs open is when I'm creating or modifying a template. Whatever. The new interface in FM9 will let you set up your workspace umpteen different ways and let you switch among them as you please. I'll be spending most of my time in Authoring mode, though. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
But what I don't understand is why so many Framers are saying they work with some or all of the Designer dialogs open. Why? Are you all creating new formats on the fly, continually as you write?? Mostly it's just for convenience. My templates are stable, so I don't change or create formats often, but I have a three-monitor setup, so I like to have the main FrameMaker window open on one monitor, holding a two-page spread. The palettes are open on an adjacent monitor, where they never overlap the text, and are always ready when I need them-- without need for opening or positioning. I've been using the Leximation RestoreWindows plugin to open the palettes automatically when a document opens. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Richard Combs wrote: Your explanation makes sense, and suggests that the degree of slowdown will depend on how many different pgf and char tags the cursor moves through. There's a lot of information displayed in the Designer dialogs, and if it changes every few characters or lines... I *think* (not sure though) that FM seems to check *every* time the arrow key is pressed, regardless of whether there is an actual char tag that it moves through. So, it slows down even when simply moving along the same paragraph for example. But what I don't understand is why so many Framers are saying they work with some or all of the Designer dialogs open. Why? Are you all creating new formats on the fly, continually as you write?? Not really. It is mostly for convenience in my case. Which is why I am going to try to run without them for a while! :) Z ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Hi, Same thing happens to me with FM 8..when the Hypertext dialog box is open... Have a nice day! At 12:31 PM 19/01/2009, Avraham Makeler wrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sobr...@innovmetric.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40innovmetric.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Stephen O'Brien Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc. 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310 Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6 Tel.: (418) 688-2061 Fax: (418) 688-3001 E-mail: sobr...@innovmetric.com www.innovmetric.com PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
How much RAM do you have?How much free disk space on the C drive? What operating system are you running? Do your files contain graphics that have been copied into the Frame files, or are they imported by reference? Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.comwrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Btw, something like this also happens when I do Gmail in IE7 on my T30 laptop (1.8GHz but 7 years old), but with Chrome it's fine. Buy a new computer?Is there really much faster out there than a ~3GHz. Add some RAM? For point actions like jumping from one word to another, I don't really think it's a RAM issue. If you have DDR*2* RAM in your computer, additional RAM is very cheap. My RAM is more expensive. But, as above, I don't really think it's a RAM issue. How much RAM do you have? 1GB How much free disk space on the C drive? 12GB What operating system are you running? Windows XP Home Do your files contain graphics that have been copied into the Frame files, or are they imported by reference? Not my document. Haven't a clue. From what I see at this company, I think they are all external linked. But again, it's FM8 that's slow. FM7.2 is fine, on this machine (I tried the FM7.2 demo, and then after a couple of hour's work realized it didn't save anything...). In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson Yes, my wife's redheaded. Is that supposed to make FM run faster? (Don't know what a Vincent is.) Same thing happens to me with FM 8..when the Hypertext dialog box is open... Hypertext dialog box is not open. But that's an idea, maybe I should close some things, other FM dial boxes, background apps. Tnx for the responses, avi On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:31 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Stephen you're a genius! I was l always working with the Designer dial boxes open (definitely more professional that way... - like having side panels open in Vis Studio, and HTML editors etc.), so I closed them, and la voila! that did the trick! Thanks! - avi On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.comwrote: Hi, Same thing happens to me with FM 8..when the Hypertext dialog box is open... Have a nice day! At 12:31 PM 19/01/2009, Avraham Makeler wrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sobr...@innovmetric.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40innovmetric.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Stephen O'Brien Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc. 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310 Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6 Tel.: (418) 688-2061 Fax: (418) 688-3001 E-mail: sobr...@innovmetric.com www.innovmetric.com PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
Makes sense to me. When the dialog windows are open they are required to report their state. They are updated depending on where the cursor is placed. This is like having multiple active windows open. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:10 PM To: Stephen O'Brien Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC Stephen you're a genius! I was l always working with the Designer dial boxes open (definitely more professional that way... - like having side panels open in Vis Studio, and HTML editors etc.), so I closed them, and la voila! that did the trick! Thanks! - avi On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.comwrote: Hi, Same thing happens to me with FM 8..when the Hypertext dialog box is open... Have a nice day! At 12:31 PM 19/01/2009, Avraham Makeler wrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sobr...@innovmetric.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40innovmetric.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Stephen O'Brien Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc. 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310 Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6 Tel.: (418) 688-2061 Fax: (418) 688-3001 E-mail: sobr...@innovmetric.com www.innovmetric.com PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kmcdan...@pavtech.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kmcdaniel%40pavtech.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC
The designer boxes may have caused the problem, but you're going to run into more problems with only 1G of RAM. That's a very minimal amount... 2G or more is recommended if you work with long documents or want to have another RAM-hungry application running at the same time (like photoshop). ARt Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen you're a genius! I was l always working with the Designer dial boxes open (definitely more professional that way... - like having side panels open in Vis Studio, and HTML editors etc.), so I closed them, and la voila! that did the trick! Thanks! - avi On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Stephen O'Brien sobr...@innovmetric.com wrote: Hi, Same thing happens to me with FM 8..when the Hypertext dialog box is open... Have a nice day! At 12:31 PM 19/01/2009, Avraham Makeler wrote: Hi all, FM8 seems to be sluggish on my PC. I mean trivial cursor tasks like jumping the cursor from one word to another or selecting text. My PC is a 2.8 GHz Pentium IV (full architecture) and it is really fast and great for everything else. FM7.2 is much more snappy on my PC. Has anybody else noticed this about FM8? Is there something I can to do to speed things up? Like disable some mode or something? TIA - avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as sobr...@innovmetric.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sobrien%40innovmetric.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Stephen O'Brien Rédacteur technique senior / Senior Technical Writer InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc. 2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310 Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6 Tel.: (418) 688-2061 Fax: (418) 688-3001 E-mail: sobr...@innovmetric.com www.innovmetric.com PolyWorks, the Universal 3D Metrology Software Platform for Manufacturing (TM) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
