Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
Linda, Perhaps running the Windows Installer Cleanup Utility will help. There might be a mangled Installer process stuck somewhere. Here is the description: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 The download link is inconspicuous about halfway down the page. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > _ > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > ___ > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Interesting. I'm on 22 different email lists, and this is the only one with that particular behavior that I'm aware of. As I mostly lurk, the issue has never come up for me before. Gail Fred Ridder wrote: > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. >> > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > _ > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as gail.former at accenttech.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gail.former%40accenttech.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Re: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
At least one major email list that I subscribe to uses LISTSERV email list management software. In this scheme, one posts messages to a LISTSERV-powered server which in turn redistributes the posting to all of the subscribers, either as individual email messages or in digest format, comprising from 2 to 10 messages, give or take a few. The paradigm is different with LISTSERV than it is with FrameUsers, at least the way it is applied to the other lists to which I subscribe. The sender is a server (a machine) and not one of the list members (an individual.) As "Z" correctly points out, your email client is responsible for applying the Reply and Reply to All functions, not the list server or the person that sent the email in the first place. One only need look at who the email message is from to understand what your Reply and Reply to All buttons will do. Is it from a List Server or an individual? With LISTSERV the way I've seen it used, a Reply sends a reply to the entire list. Mind you, I've seen numerous message intended for personal consumption posted this way. Both paradigms have common drawbacks if misused. If you wish a different paradigm, such as that offered by LISTSERV, you can learn more about it here: http://lists.psu.edu/ By the way, Penn State University (USA) apparently hosts numerous public-use lists like the one I subscribe to for folk music DJs and artists. I'm not certain, but someone may need to be a student or employee at PSU to initiate and use their services to support a LISTSERV email list. I should probably also point out that LISTSERV list management software is now a product of L-Soft. You can learn a lot more about LISTSERV email list management software here; http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp I have no financial or personal ties to either PSU or L-Soft. These comments are mere observations. Dennis... ** At 09:44 AM 5/16/2008, Art Campbell wrote: >I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce >the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. > >Art > >On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > > > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > >> > >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > > > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > > _ > > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > > ___ > > > > >-- >Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com > >Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
At least one major email list that I subscribe to uses LISTSERV email list management software. In this scheme, one posts messages to a LISTSERV-powered server which in turn redistributes the posting to all of the subscribers, either as individual email messages or in digest format, comprising from 2 to 10 messages, give or take a few. The paradigm is different with LISTSERV than it is with FrameUsers, at least the way it is applied to the other lists to which I subscribe. The sender is a server (a machine) and not one of the list members (an individual.) As "Z" correctly points out, your email client is responsible for applying the Reply and Reply to All functions, not the list server or the person that sent the email in the first place. One only need look at who the email message is from to understand what your Reply and Reply to All buttons will do. Is it from a List Server or an individual? With LISTSERV the way I've seen it used, a Reply sends a reply to the entire list. Mind you, I've seen numerous message intended for personal consumption posted this way. Both paradigms have common drawbacks if misused. If you wish a different paradigm, such as that offered by LISTSERV, you can learn more about it here: http://lists.psu.edu/ By the way, Penn State University (USA) apparently hosts numerous public-use lists like the one I subscribe to for folk music DJs and artists. I'm not certain, but someone may need to be a student or employee at PSU to initiate and use their services to support a LISTSERV email list. I should probably also point out that LISTSERV list management software is now a product of L-Soft. You can learn a lot more about LISTSERV email list management software here; http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp I have no financial or personal ties to either PSU or L-Soft. These comments are mere observations. Dennis... ** At 09:44 AM 5/16/2008, Art Campbell wrote: >I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce >the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. > >Art > >On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > > > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > > > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > >> > >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > > > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > > _ > > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > > ___ > > > > >-- >Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent >and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as dennisb at chronometrics.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com > >Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Findon wrote (in part): > Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i?m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount
RE: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. I totally agree. Reply to List should be the default. It's a list, for goodness sake. It's supposed to go to everyone. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
I believe this is the default Mailman set up, usually used to reduce the risk of the email loops that Jeremy already mentioned. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > _ > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > ___ > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Interesting. I'm on 22 different email lists, and this is the only one with that particular behavior that I'm aware of. As I mostly lurk, the issue has never come up for me before. Gail Fred Ridder wrote: > Paul Findon wrote (in part): > > >> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, >> others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your >> Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. >> >> I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and >> Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. >> Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the >> addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped >> many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will >> naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. >> > > FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them > basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. > Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the > poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little > crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. > _ > Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. > http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gail.former%40accenttech.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser > > wrote: > >> Which is worse? -- >> >> - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are >> replying to >> the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or >> inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire >> list. The damage is done. >> >> - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two >> mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to >> the list. >> >> A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. > > Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all I disagree. Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. Paul
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
> Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. I totally agree. Reply to List should be the default. It's a list, for goodness sake. It's supposed to go to everyone. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com
RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
What I did what start Frame. Checked for update, and once the update window came up I closed Frame. Once I did this it loaded just fine. Z ** Ann Zdunczyk President a2z Publishing, Inc. Language Layout & Translation Consulting Phone: (336)922-1271 Fax: (336)922-4980 Cell: (336)456-4493 http://www.a2z-pub.com ** -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 11:14 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher Cc: Framers Self-Support Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) If I were you, I'd put this on "hold" for a few days and wait until the update is posted to the FM support download site, and then try it manually. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windo ws It sounds as if something may have gotten munged during the download... possible that the installer itself is corrupted. So I'd also delete the file that automatic download brought in. You may want to see if Control Panel > Add/Update Programs lists the update. I don't have an 8 install handy so I can't check it. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Linda G. Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything > everyone has suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update > to run. I even grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've > tried after a reboot and after a complete shutdown and opening only > Acrobat or Captivate to try the update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. > > Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and > a poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single > time, no matter what I do, I can't get the update. > > And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the > available updates with no problem. > > Are we having fun yet? =:o > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM > To: Linda G. Gallagher; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Framers Self-Support' > Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE > WORKAROUND) > > Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another > installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of > Bridge actually is installed. > > It's 1.0.4.6. > > Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. > > -- > Steve > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma > il.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/azdunczyk%40triad.rr.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
If I were you, I'd put this on "hold" for a few days and wait until the update is posted to the FM support download site, and then try it manually. http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows It sounds as if something may have gotten munged during the download... possible that the installer itself is corrupted. So I'd also delete the file that automatic download brought in. You may want to see if Control Panel > Add/Update Programs lists the update. I don't have an 8 install handy so I can't check it. Art On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Linda G. Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything everyone has > suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update to run. I even > grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've tried after a reboot and > after a complete shutdown and opening only Acrobat or Captivate to try the > update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. > > Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and a > poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single time, no > matter what I do, I can't get the update. > > And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the > available updates with no problem. > > Are we having fun yet? =:o > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM > To: Linda G. Gallagher; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Framers Self-Support' > Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) > > Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another > installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge > actually is installed. > > It's 1.0.4.6. > > Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. > > -- > Steve > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
In case anyone is interested, I've tried and retried everything everyone has suggested (thank you!), but I still cannot get the update to run. I even grabbed the file locally and tried to run it. I've tried after a reboot and after a complete shutdown and opening only Acrobat or Captivate to try the update after the system comes back up. Still no dice. Every single time, the error message comes up that FM is running, and a poorly worded message with confusing buttons it is. Every single time, no matter what I do, I can't get the update. And yet, when I first installed the suite, I was able to get all the available updates with no problem. Are we having fun yet? =:o ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:13 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Framers Self-Support' Subject: RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge actually is installed. It's 1.0.4.6. Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Paul Findon wrote (in part): > Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, > others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your > Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. > > I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and > Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. > Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the > addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped > many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will > naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. FWIW, I currently subscribe to 7 or 8 mailing lists (a couple of them basically inactive), and all of them work the same way as Framers. Reply goes just to the poster; Reply All goes to the list and the poster and anyone cc'ed by the poster. It would drive me a little crazy(er) if Framers behaved differently than the other lists. _ Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i’m Initiative from Microsoft. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?source=EML_WL_ MakeCount ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On 15 May 2008, at 04:25, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> Which is worse? -- >> >> - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are >> replying to >> the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or >> inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire >> list. The damage is done. >> >> - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two >> mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to >> the list. >> >> A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. > > Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all I disagree. Hedley is not asking for a "reply-to-all." What he, I and, no doubt, others want is "reply-to-list." In other words, when you click your Reply button, by default, messages are addressed to the list. I've been using lists since 1993 and running several since 1996, and Framers is the only list I've ever come across that works this way. Replying to list messages should be simple - click Reply and the addressing is done. The current setup is cumbersome and has tripped many of us up. If someone wants to reply privately, they will naturally be more careful and double-check the To address. Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
Further to my previous mail, I have just 'permitted' yet another installation of Adobe Bridge 1.0.3, then checked what version of Bridge actually is installed. It's 1.0.4.6. Automatic updaters are great when they work. Apple's is first-rate. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
At 09:16 -0600 15/5/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >Thanks for this, but it still won't work for me. I did exactly what Hedley >outlined, but still no luck. I'm late on this thread but it seems to be mainly about Adobe Updater. Forgive me if I've misunderstood. I am sorry for Linda, but sort of relieved that someone else is reporting issues. On the Mac, I find AU very irritating. I have Illustrator CS2, DreamWeaver CS3 and Acrobat 6 Pro, as well as FrameMaker but we all know about FrameMaker on Mac, but all AU does is offer me Adobe Bridge 1.0 and Adobe Bridge 1.0.3 - over and over again, no matter how many times I let it install them. And I don't even *use* Adobe Bridge. Now there seems to be another, similar, application, calling itself Adobe Update Manager, which is offering to update Acrobat Reader. Which I also don't use, much. This does not seem to be an area that Adobe has got tied down properly across application versions. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
Thanks for this, but it still won't work for me. I did exactly what Hedley outlined, but still no luck. I kept the task manager window open and watched exactly what was happening. I see two instances of framemaker803.exe start as soon as I start the actual update. I've tried ending each, but one kills the update. The other leaves the update running, but it still tells me that I have FM running. I don't understand why I'm having so much trouble. I was able to do the previous updates with no problem after I installed the tech comm suite. I even managed to keep the framemaker803.exe file, but executing it locally results in all the same things. FM is definitely not running when I start the update process, but the update continues to think it is. =:o ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hedley Finger Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:59 PM To: Framers Self-Support Subject: Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND) <> Linda and others: > Anyone else having trouble getting this update to install? > > I've tried multiple times, including from Acrobat after completely shutting > down my system and every time it says that it detects that FM is open and > cannot install. At least twice, FM was definitely not open. I tried using the updater from FrameMaker while it was running. No good. Next time, when the updater started, I killed FM first, then continued. No good. Finally I poked around to find where the downloaded files were stored, hoping that I could just run a setup.exe or similar. Well, on my machine they are saved to C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Application Data\Adobe\Updater5\Install. In this folder was a folder named "framemaker801-mul" (for version 8.0.1, right? Wrong). I deleted this folder, checked in Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Delete) that there was no headless FrameMaker.exe process running, booted Acrobat, and ran the updater from that. Guess what? The framemaker801-mul/ folder was restored but at least the update ran to completion properly. (Adobe lurkers: should that be "framemaker803-mul" and does it matter anyway?) Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. -Alan --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com Hedley Finger wrote: > < BUTTON. CAN SOMEONE RECONFIGURE THIS LIST SO REPLY GOES TO LIST. > SHOULD WE REALLY HAVE TO HIT REPLY-TO-ALL?>> >
Re: default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Which is worse? -- > >- You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to >the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or >inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire >list. The damage is done. > >- You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two >mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. > >A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all is vulnerable at any time to a "mail loop", in which an error by one member results in an exponentially-increasing avalanche of copies of every message posted back to the list. Reply-to-sender prevents that. While there are other ways to detect and prevent such loops, not every listowner has implemented them, and one such incident can cause most of the listmembers to depart fast... never to return. As a listadmin myself, I consider that a Very Bad Idea. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
On Wed, 14 May 2008 22:05:47 -0400, Alan Houser wrote: >Which is worse? -- > >- You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to >the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or >inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire >list. The damage is done. > >- You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two >mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. > >A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. Quite right. But it's worse than that. A list with reply-to-all is vulnerable at any time to a "mail loop", in which an error by one member results in an exponentially-increasing avalanche of copies of every message posted back to the list. Reply-to-sender prevents that. While there are other ways to detect and prevent such loops, not every listowner has implemented them, and one such incident can cause most of the listmembers to depart fast... never to return. As a listadmin myself, I consider that a Very Bad Idea. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
default "reply-to-all" (was Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND))
Which is worse? -- - You reply to a message on the list. Assuming that you are replying to the sender, you include information that is personal, privileged, or inappropriate-for-public-consumption. Your reply goes to the entire list. The damage is done. - You reply to a message on the list. It goes to the sender. With two mouse clicks, you correct the oversight and direct your reply to the list. A default "reply-to-all" listserv configuration is evil. -Alan --- Alan Houser, President Group Wellesley, Inc. 412-363-3481 www.groupwellesley.com Hedley Finger wrote: > < BUTTON. CAN SOMEONE RECONFIGURE THIS LIST SO REPLY GOES TO LIST. > SHOULD WE REALLY HAVE TO HIT REPLY-TO-ALL?>> > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 8.0.3 Update Now Available (POSSIBLE WORKAROUND)
<> Linda and others: > Anyone else having trouble getting this update to install? > > I've tried multiple times, including from Acrobat after completely shutting > down my system and every time it says that it detects that FM is open and > cannot install. At least twice, FM was definitely not open. I tried using the updater from FrameMaker while it was running. No good. Next time, when the updater started, I killed FM first, then continued. No good. Finally I poked around to find where the downloaded files were stored, hoping that I could just run a setup.exe or similar. Well, on my machine they are saved to C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Application Data\Adobe\Updater5\Install. In this folder was a folder named "framemaker801-mul" (for version 8.0.1, right? Wrong). I deleted this folder, checked in Task Manager (Ctrl+Alt+Delete) that there was no headless FrameMaker.exe process running, booted Acrobat, and ran the updater from that. Guess what? The framemaker801-mul/ folder was restored but at least the update ran to completion properly. (Adobe lurkers: should that be "framemaker803-mul" and does it matter anyway?) Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
