Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-11 Thread Mike Wickham
> I am trying out FM 9, and also find the cursor is extremely slow to 
> respond to the arrow keys.  (XP on a 3GHz CPU, 1.5GB RAM, and no such 
> problem in any other app. including FM 7.0, with any number of other apps 
> running.)

Stuart,

I filed a bug report on the slow arrow keys problem and received a response 
from Adobe to try the following instructions:

> 1.   File -> Preferences -> Interface

> 2.   Uncheck "Hide panels on Close" (This option kills a panel on 
> close, else a panel would stay open in the background)

> 3.   Close Para Designer

The above instructions worked for me to restore normal cursor speed in the 
Authoring, Manage Content, and Review workspaces. The Manage Graphics 
workspace, which previously was the only one with normal cursor speed, 
actually slowed by a second from 4 to 5 seconds to scroll across a line, but 
I can live with that. I don't like having the Paragraph Designer closed, but 
it's a temporary fix until Adobe squashes this bug. It's good to see that 
they have it in their sights.

Mike Wickham


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-09 Thread Stuart Rogers
Mike Wickham wrote:
>> How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
>> the same time?
> 
> I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program 
> open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was 
> fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed 
> slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer 
> windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all 
> windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics 
> workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys) 
> in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.

I am trying out FM 9, and also find the cursor is extremely slow to 
respond to the arrow keys.  (XP on a 3GHz CPU, 1.5GB RAM, and no such 
problem in any other app. including FM 7.0, with any number of other 
apps running.)

And I can't BELIEVE they STILL haven't fixed the screen refresh bug 
  Keep your Ctrl + L shortcut handy, folks.


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-09 Thread Mike Wickham
> I'm going to save as MIF in 9 later to see if that cleans it up.

I tried a MIF 9 save with no luck.

Mike Wickham


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-09 Thread Peter Gold
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I was able to get something like this to happen this weekend, too, and

Sounds like you should give FM the weekend off to recharge.


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-09 Thread Art Campbell
I was able to get something like this to happen this weekend, too, and
it occurred when I opened a file that started life in FM 5 or so...
and has been rolled forward through all the releases since. Native FM9
files worked fine & fast.

I'm going to save as MIF in 9 later to see if that cleans it up.

Art

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
>> How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
>> the same time?
>
> I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program
> open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was
> fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed
> slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer
> windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all
> windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics
> workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys)
> in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.
>
> Next, I created a new, blank FM document in FM9, and populated it with a
> paragraph of text. The cursor speed is normal and fast with this document in
> FM9 using the Manage Graphics workspace-- 4 seconds to scroll across a line.
> But using other workspaces, it drops to 6 seconds.
>
> Next, I experimented over the weekend by importing various options from my
> template into this freshw FM9 document to see what effect there might be.
> Cursor speed changed drastically, depending on which options I imported. It
> turns out that importing paragraph, character, or table formats causes
> slowing of the cursor. Other format imports-- variables, page layout, etc.
> had no slowing effect.
>
> This made me think that I had some corrupted paragraph, character, or table
> formats. But I don't think that's it. I took the same new, blank, empty
> document, with _nothing_ imported from my template. I created 30 new
> paragraph styles in FM9 (all the same as the body style, but with a new
> name, using Commands> New Format). Then I tried again. Lo and behold, the
> cursor speed slowed way down.
>
> So it looks to me like this scrolling bug also has some relation to how many
> paragraph (or, character or table definitions) exist. The more there are,
> the slower the cursor. My template has about 100 paragraph styles and 60
> character styles.
>
> Of course, there's still the issue that, using the Manage Graphics workspace
> causes the slowness to go away altogether. It only occurs when using the
> other workspaces.
>
> This behavior is also reproducible on my laptop computer.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
>
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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-09 Thread Mike Wickham
> How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
> the same time?

I've got 4 GB of RAM (though XP reports on 3.25). Frame is the only program 
open. I've since done some experimenting with my template. Cursor speed was 
fine with this template when it was in FM6 and FM7.1. In FM8, cursor speed 
slowed if the Paragraph Designer, Character Designer, or Table Designer 
windows were open. In FM9, cursor speed is always very slow-- even with all 
windows, pods, and toolbars closed-- EXCEPT when using the Manage Graphics 
workspace. A line that takes 4 seconds to scroll across (using arrow keys) 
in Notepad or Word, takes 19 seconds in FM9 when using any other workspace.

Next, I created a new, blank FM document in FM9, and populated it with a 
paragraph of text. The cursor speed is normal and fast with this document in 
FM9 using the Manage Graphics workspace-- 4 seconds to scroll across a line. 
But using other workspaces, it drops to 6 seconds.

Next, I experimented over the weekend by importing various options from my 
template into this freshw FM9 document to see what effect there might be. 
Cursor speed changed drastically, depending on which options I imported. It 
turns out that importing paragraph, character, or table formats causes 
slowing of the cursor. Other format imports-- variables, page layout, etc. 
had no slowing effect.

This made me think that I had some corrupted paragraph, character, or table 
formats. But I don't think that's it. I took the same new, blank, empty 
document, with _nothing_ imported from my template. I created 30 new 
paragraph styles in FM9 (all the same as the body style, but with a new 
name, using Commands> New Format). Then I tried again. Lo and behold, the 
cursor speed slowed way down.

So it looks to me like this scrolling bug also has some relation to how many 
paragraph (or, character or table definitions) exist. The more there are, 
the slower the cursor. My template has about 100 paragraph styles and 60 
character styles.

Of course, there's still the issue that, using the Manage Graphics workspace 
causes the slowness to go away altogether. It only occurs when using the 
other workspaces.

This behavior is also reproducible on my laptop computer.

Mike Wickham


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Art Campbell
Could be, Mike.
How much RAM are you running? And any other memory-hungry aps open at
the same time?

Art

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:
>> There was another thread about this recently, and I think the answer
>> seemed to have to do with one particular pod/windows being open when
>> scrolling. Maybe the Marker window? I think it was easy to ID because
>> the cursor sped up right away.
>
> Except that I've closed all windows, pods, and even the toolbars in FM9 with
> no change. I believe you are thinking about the Paragraph Designer window
> causing a slowdown in FM8.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
>
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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Mike Wickham
> There was another thread about this recently, and I think the answer
> seemed to have to do with one particular pod/windows being open when
> scrolling. Maybe the Marker window? I think it was easy to ID because
> the cursor sped up right away.

Except that I've closed all windows, pods, and even the toolbars in FM9 with 
no change. I believe you are thinking about the Paragraph Designer window 
causing a slowdown in FM8.

Mike Wickham


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Art Campbell
Jon,
I think that may be a good line for your sig.

There was another thread about this recently, and I think the answer
seemed to have to do with one particular pod/windows being open when
scrolling. Maybe the Marker window? I think it was easy to ID because
the cursor sped up right away.

Cheers,
Art

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Jon Harvey  wrote:
> So, if you sit with a pretty girl on a hot stove, you won't need a
> watch.
>
>
> Jon Harvey
> Manager, Desktop Documentation
> CambridgeSoft Corporation
> 100 CambridgePark Drive
> Cambridge, MA 02140
> (617) 588-9354
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McDaniel
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:23 PM
> To: Flato, Gillian; Mike Wickham; Frame Users
> Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9
>
> "Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
> Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute.
> That's relativity." Albert Einstein
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM
> To: Kelly McDaniel; Mike Wickham; Frame Users
> Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9
>
> I've noticed that too. Funny, I thought it was just me!
>
>
> -Gillian
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
> McDaniel
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:17 PM
> To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users
> Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9
>
> Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
> to the amount of coffee consumed and
> the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: Frame Users
> Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9
>
> I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
> else
> seeing this?
>
> Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
> the
> text. The speed seems normal enough.
>
> Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
> Review)
> and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.
>
> A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but
> closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
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RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Jon Harvey
So, if you sit with a pretty girl on a hot stove, you won't need a
watch.

 
Jon Harvey
Manager, Desktop Documentation
CambridgeSoft Corporation
100 CambridgePark Drive
Cambridge, MA 02140
(617) 588-9354
-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:23 PM
To: Flato, Gillian; Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute.
That's relativity." Albert Einstein

-Original Message-
From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I've noticed that too. Funny, I thought it was just me! 


-Gillian


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

Mike Wickham


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RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Kelly McDaniel
"Put your hand on a hot stove for a minute, and it seems like an hour.
Sit with a pretty girl for an hour, and it seems like a minute.
That's relativity." Albert Einstein

-Original Message-
From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:24 PM
To: Kelly McDaniel; Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I've noticed that too. Funny, I thought it was just me! 


-Gillian


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

Mike Wickham


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RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Flato, Gillian
I've noticed that too. Funny, I thought it was just me! 


-Gillian


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:17 PM
To: Mike Wickham; Frame Users
Subject: RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

Mike Wickham


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RE: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Kelly McDaniel
Cursor tracking is inversely proportional
to the amount of coffee consumed and 
the time allotted to complete the task...Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is anyone
else 
seeing this?

Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move around
the 
text. The speed seems normal enough.

Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,
Review) 
and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.

A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but 
closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.

Mike Wickham


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Re: S-L-O-W cursor movement in FrameMaker 9

2009-02-06 Thread Scott White
Works fine on mine.


Scott White
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Implementation Coordinator
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On Feb 6, 2009, at 3:10 PM, Mike Wickham wrote:

> I'm experiencing very slow cursor movement in FrameMaker 9. Is  
> anyone else
> seeing this?
>
> Choose the Manage Graphics workspace. Use the arrow keys to move  
> around the
> text. The speed seems normal enough.
>
> Now choose any of the other workspaces (Authoring, Manage Content,  
> Review)
> and use the arrow keys to move around. For me, it creeps VERY SLOWLY.
>
> A similar issue occured in FM8 if the Paragraph Designer was open, but
> closing all palettes/pods does not increase the speed in FM9.
>
> Mike Wickham
>
>
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