Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
I think the only way to get a definitive answer is to ask Adobe. I suspect that by the time we get to TCS6 the only way will be with a subscription model. As long as the annual fee is not more than we're used to paying for our regular upgrades (depending on how often you upgrade of course) then we'll be no worse off. My problam as a freelancer is that I might not need to use any of the TCS components for 2 or 3 years, but if I don't keep up the subscription I'm left with dead products. I've just upgraded to TCS4 so can probably avoid the problem for a while ... --- Peter On 2013-07-29 06:37, rebecca officer wrote: Hi everyone I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame me at once). Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our upgrade chain. Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new version of Illustrator into the TCS? Thanks! Rebecca NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as pe...@galley.ie. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/peter%40galley.ie Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Switching back to an owned version won't be an issue: in a couple of years TCS will be subscription-only. That's the path Adobe took with Creative Suite-- first year or two subscription was an option, soon it will be mandatory. They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path. Monopolies are decidedly not consumer-friendly. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com Tori On 7/29/13 6:37 AM, rebecca officer wrote: Hi everyone I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame me at once). Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our upgrade chain. Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new version of Illustrator into the TCS? Thanks! Rebecca NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Nobody--including Adobe--can say with any certainty that perpetual licenses (as opposed to monthly or annual subscription licenses) will even exist in a couple of years. Do you think that anybody could have told you two years ago what the terms would be for a TCS subscription license today? If you know someone with a crystal ball that is that good, you should be asking them for stock tips and not fretting pointlessly about license policies that haven't yet been formulated. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:37:37 +1200 From: rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you goback to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later? Hi everyone I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame me at once). Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our upgrade chain. Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new version of Illustrator into the TCS? Thanks! Rebecca ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
? They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path. I suspect that you are correct that mass migration to other products is unlikely, but based on e-mail I have received in response to my posts, a few of us are indeed moving to non-Adobe products. This will probably not have any real impact to Adobe though - they do not care about small quantity (hence, small revenue) users anymore. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
My crystal ball's off for repairs. Thought I'd see if anyone else had a functional one. More seriously, I hoped that the people who are already on the TCS subscription might have got answers to this kind of question. Guess I should've mentioned that in my original post, sorry. Cheers Rebecca >>> Fred Ridder 07/31/13 12:34 AM >>> Nobody--including Adobe--can say with any certainty that perpetual licenses (as opposed to monthly or annual subscription licenses) will even exist in a couple of years. Do you think that anybody could have told you two years ago what the terms would be for a TCS subscription license today? If you know someone with a crystal ball that is that good, you should be asking them for stock tips and not fretting pointlessly about license policies that haven't yet been formulated. -Fred Ridder Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:37:37 +1200 From: rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you goback to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later? Hi everyone I'm thinking about moving to the TCS subscription model (please don't all flame me at once). Does anyone know what'd happen if I wanted to change back to outright ownership in a couple of years? E.g. If I stayed on the subscription model until TCS6 was released, would I then be able to buy TCS6 outright, at the upgrade prices? Or would I be stuck with buying a full TCS6 licence? I'm not keen on breaking our upgrade chain. Also, does anyone know if the TCS version of Illustrator stays in sync with the Creative Cloud version? Or could there be a delay while Adobe integrate a new version of Illustrator into the TCS? Thanks! Rebecca NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Adobe has something of a captive market with InDesign. The same isn't true for FrameMaker and RoboHelp. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: > Ø They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new release > whether they want to or not, so barring the CS subscription-only model > causing mass migration to other products (sadly, not likely), TCS will go > the same path. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Robert Lauriston wrote: > Adobe has something of a captive market with InDesign. The same isn't true > for FrameMaker and RoboHelp. > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain > (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: > > Ø They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new > > release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS > > subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products > > (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path. Ummm ... the extract above is not from me actually. However, I would add that InDesign has an alternative - but not clear to me how good an alternative it is (if at all) - in the new "Page & Layout Designer" from Xara. Some people here are evaluating it. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Quark XPress is also an alternative, was around 1-12 years before Adobe created InDesign. It's quite good. Tori Muir tm...@spot-on-creative.com | 650.430.8674 www.spot-on-creative.com On 7/31/13 1:40 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Robert Lauriston wrote: Adobe has something of a captive market with InDesign. The same isn't true for FrameMaker and RoboHelp. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Ø They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path. Ummm ... the extract above is not from me actually. However, I would add that InDesign has an alternative - but not clear to me how good an alternative it is (if at all) - in the new "Page& Layout Designer" from Xara. Some people here are evaluating it. Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tm...@spot-on-creative.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tmuir%40spot-on-creative.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
I'm not sure if I agree with you about Adobe not having a captive audience with FrameMaker. As far as an editor that is relatively easy to use and that has nice single-sourcing features (conditional text and sharing files between books), I don't know of anything that is comparable to Unstructured FrameMaker. If they switch to subscription only, I may try to switch to Help & Manual, which is supposedly easy to use. But I don't think it will be as easy to create PDFs with Help & Manual since it's topic based and probably not as WYSIWYG as Frame. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 30-Jul-13 6:31 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Adobe has something of a captive market with InDesign. The same isn't true for FrameMaker and RoboHelp. On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Ø They get more $ by forcing all users to upgrade with each new release whether they want to or not, so barring the CS subscription-only model causing mass migration to other products (sadly, not likely), TCS will go the same path. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. . ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Flare can replace both FrameMaker and RoboHelp, the core of TCS. I don't like having each topic in a separate file, lack of true WYSIWYG for PDF, or the inability to export change markup to PDF, but it's a highly competitive alternative, especially with RoboHelp. I don't think either has kept up with the way the profession has been evolving. In recent years more and more of my content is coming out of wikis. It's annoying to have to spend hour after hour formatting already-written new content or cutting and pasting changes from the wiki to an authoring tool. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > I'm not sure if I agree with you about Adobe not having a captive audience > with FrameMaker. As far as an editor that is relatively easy to use and that > has nice single-sourcing features (conditional text and sharing files > between books), I don't know of anything that is comparable to Unstructured > FrameMaker. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Hi Robert, What formats does your wiki export? You may be able to go from content exported from the wiki directly into FrameMaker. If you want to explore this further, please contact me offlist. If others are in the same situation, I would be glad to hear from you. Thank you very much. Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:31 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later? Flare can replace both FrameMaker and RoboHelp, the core of TCS. I don't like having each topic in a separate file, lack of true WYSIWYG for PDF, or the inability to export change markup to PDF, but it's a highly competitive alternative, especially with RoboHelp. I don't think either has kept up with the way the profession has been evolving. In recent years more and more of my content is coming out of wikis. It's annoying to have to spend hour after hour formatting already-written new content or cutting and pasting changes from the wiki to an authoring tool. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:50 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > I'm not sure if I agree with you about Adobe not having a captive > audience with FrameMaker. As far as an editor that is relatively easy > to use and that has nice single-sourcing features (conditional text > and sharing files between books), I don't know of anything that is > comparable to Unstructured FrameMaker. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as r...@rickquatro.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rick%40rickquatro.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
Robert Lauriston said: > In recent years more and more of my content is coming out of wikis. We have decided the same - all of our _new_ documentation, user guides, manuals, etc., is being created on Confluence now rather than FrameMaker. And all my older documents that need updates will be moved from FrameMaker to Confluence over the next few months to year as needed. Anything that needs more glitz (marketing brochures, etc.), will probably still be created on page layout tools (evaluating Xara Page & Layout Designer 9 for this). Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TCS subscription model: Illustrator version, and can you go back to buying TCS outright as an upgrade later?
A manual export step from Confluence to FrameMaker would not be a useful workflow. I need to edit wiki content in place. Since FM already has XML editing capabilities and source control / CMS integration, it doesn't seem to me like it would be a big challenge for Adobe to add that. Same goes for MadCap. On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Robert, > > What formats does your wiki export? You may be able to go from content > exported from the wiki directly into FrameMaker. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
