Re: Text Inset anomalies
Somehow, my reply did not reach the list, so summarizing here. 1. You can use the \r special character to force line breaks in variables. 2. The FM help file says that the limit is 255 characters. !- But I think that it works for longer strings as well. Didn't really do boundary testing, but my guess would be 1024 characters.-- From: D L Reynolds reyno...@semicool.com Many thanks for the information. I didn't know how to force a line break, but you're right -- that would be great for addresses. But isn't there a character limit on variable length? I think I've encountered that when using variables for boilerplate paragraphs. Again, many thanks. Have a great day. -dr On Sep 12, 2010, at 11:57 PM, Vikrant Rai wrote: You can use the \r special character to create multi-line variables. Especially useful for addresses and other boilerplate text. Maybe you'll find this handy. `Vikrant ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Text Inset anomalies
You can use the \r special character to create multi-line variables. Especially useful for addresses and other boilerplate text. Maybe you'll find this handy. `Vikrant From: D L Reynolds reyno...@semicool.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Fri, 10 September, 2010 11:07:20 PM Subject: Re: Text Inset anomalies If your text insets are brief, you can make them variables, which eliminates the problems you are encountering. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as tnar...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tnarkiv%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Text Inset anomalies
All, Thanks for the feedback! It contained a lot of useful background details. What causes these problems is a series of text insets in a row with different heading styles (I know... I break the golden rule - but in this particular case I see no other solution). I found out that a non-breaking space after the text inset does not resolve the problem: The next text inset still inherits the style from the preceding one (which makes sense). Even when I put a carriage return between the text insets, that CR inherits the style from the preceding text inset (even when preceding the CR with a non-breaking space). What does work is the following: 1. create a para style (which I will call EMPTY) that looks like your body style, but has no line height nor space above/below and is side-head aligned. Make the size as small as you can without losing sight of the pilcrow in your text. 3. Start each text insets with a CR in the EMPTY style, followed by the actual content. 4. In the main document separate each text inset with a CR in the EMPTY style. Add a non-breaking space if you want to, but that has no effect on my system (FM9). When you now update your text inset, the EMPTY style from the text inset is transferred to the main document (instead of your usual style). EMPTY overrules the style of the paragraph following the text inset. As this is a CR also based on EMPTY, nothing changes! There is an issue of white space though: we now have two EMPTY para's between the actual contents of the text insets. If the line height of EMPTY is small enough you can compensate this though by decreasing the space above pgf setting for the 'first actual content' style used in the text inset. Make sure though that you use this 'first actual content' style only in text insets based on this principle, and not in the main text (duplicate if you have to). Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com w d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Text Inset anomalies
If your text insets are brief, you can make them variables, which eliminates the problems you are encountering. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Text Inset anomalies
Dick Spierings wrote: Text insets are one of the most powerful options of FrameMaker but they do not buy you heaven on earth: I know some issues that exist for years now and make that almost-there-but-not--quite feeling a very frustrating one when using text insets. I want to run this extra quarter of a mile but FrameMaker won't let me. To name a few: 1. Everywhere I insert a text inset, Frame adds a carriage return. This means that after the text inset I always start on a new line (paragraph). In other words, a text inset is treated as a paragraph. It would mean a lot to me if I could treat text insets like any other word or as part of a sentence - without being confronted with the unavoidable CR at the end... For single words or phrases in running text, consider using variables -- that's what they're for. The text inset source is always a complete flow, and thus a minimum of one paragraph. If you really need to use text insets instead of variables in running text (no pgf break), select the Reformat as Plain Text option in the Import dialog when importing the text inset. Of course, you lose any source formatting -- the text inset just takes on the container pgf's formatting. But since it's just a plain text string, there's no pgf break -- you can insert any number of them in a pgf. Speaking of container pgfs: A text inset always sits _within_ the paragraph in which the cursor was located when you imported it. This isn't obvious (especially if text symbols are off) because the content of the inset is at least one complete paragraph, so it looks like it sits *above* the pgf that contains it instead of *inside* it. 2. When I update a text inset the paragraph following the text inset inherits the style of the first line in the text inset. This long-standing bug has been addressed several times on the list. Here's one: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2008-February/011073.html In a nutshell, you must separate the text inset from the pilcrow (end-of-pgf symbol) of the container pgf into which you imported it. I use a non-breaking space. BTW, this is probably related to the bug that causes a pgf override when a char format abuts up against the pilcrow. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Text Inset anomalies
inline On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dick Spierings d.spieri...@fluidwell.com wrote: Dear Framers, Text insets are one of the most powerful options of FrameMaker but they do not buy you heaven on earth: I know some issues that exist for years now and make that almost-there-but-not--quite feeling a very frustrating one when using text insets. I want to run this extra quarter of a mile but FrameMaker won't let me. To name a few: 1. Everywhere I insert a text inset, Frame adds a carriage return. This means that after the text inset I always start on a new line (paragraph). In other words, a text inset is treated as a paragraph. It would mean a lot to me if I could treat text insets like any other word or as part of a sentence - without being confronted with the unavoidable CR at the end... If there is a solution I would love to hear it. What I've done is to create a paragraph tag with a tiny font and no space above/below and use that tag before or after the text inset to minimize the space between it and the preceding/next paragraph. What will happen if you don't do that is, for example, cross-references to a heading following a text inset will always appear to be broken. 2. When I update a text inset the paragraph following the text inset inherits the style of the first line in the text inset. Try my suggestion even if you don't like it because it should work. If there is a better answer let's hear it. I have more, but let's start with these: Who knows a solution/effective workaround? Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Dick Spierings ' +31 (0)413 343786 www.fluidwell.com http://www.fluidwell.com/ * d.spieri...@fluidwell.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dr_go...@pobox.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dr_gonzo%40pobox.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Steve Johnson, dr_go...@pobox.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.