Re: Using PDF Converter with Frame
Here's a list I've compiled. This list was compiles mainly with Word in mind. You have to check the support on FM. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson --- Free: - PDF995 - CutePDF http://www.acrosoftware.com/Products/CutePDF/Printer.asp - Create PS file and use GSview (which uses the GhostScript engine) to convert to PDF. Not Free: - Jaws http://www.jawspdf.com/products.html Jaws is excellent, not free, but cheap. And yes, in some ways Jaws is better than Acrobat. It creates bookmarks and links. - FinePrint pdFactory http://www.fineprint.com/ - Nitropdf http://www.nitropdf.com/ It makes bookmarks and links exactly like the original Acrobat, NitroPDF is the first product I've seen that I think competes with Acrobat with all the features. Eli Marcus ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Using PDF Converter with Frame
Emmy... If I were you and in your position, I would simply ignore their requests and not give them the time of day. Don't even discuss it with them, beyond telling them ONCE that you know what you're doing, what tools you need to do your job...and they do not. If they refuse to honor your next purchase requisition, then insist that they justify why they are getting in your way. You don't work for them, so don't fall into their trap and play their game on their turf. Make them do the accounting legwork if that's what they need, since they think they know so much about your requirements. These kind of petty bureaucrats like to wield power that isn't theirs to wield. Don't let them intimidate you. Since you surely don't report to them, enlist your manager to support you if need be, but don't waste your valuable time spinning wheels. Dennis Brunnenmeyer * At 07:40 PM 1/23/2008, Emmy A. wrote: Hello Everyone, We use several versions of Frame, from 6+SGML through Frame 8, to create software manuals. We have been using Frame for many years, but my company's purchasing department recently asked us to stop ordering Acrobat and to instead try using a product called PDF Converter. Cost-cutting. Because I was asked to, I tested PDF Converter and found that it does not recognize Frame files. After fiddling around with it, I was able to print an individual chapter of one manual to the PDF Converter printer, which resulted in a PDF of that chapter, but the PDF had no bookmarks or hyperlinks. I believe the product may be able to create bookmarks but they have to be done manually (imagine doing this at production time), but on the topic of hyperlinks, the included documentation is silent. The product also claims that PDFs created from it can be edited, but it appears it does so by converting the PDF to a Word file. I don't see the appeal of this when the source was created in Frame. What am I missing? In any case, I was unsuccessful in creating a PDF of an entire manual that resembled the manuals we have been producing successfully for many years using Acrobat. However, I am still tasked with justifying why we need Acrobat. Therefore, if anyone out there is using PDF Converter to create PDF files from Frame, and you are able to create PDF versions of multi-chapter books that contain hundreds of hyperlinks, automatically generated bookmarks, and all the other features standard with Acrobat, would you please be kind enough to write to me and tell me how you do it? Or, if anyone has made a comparison of the features of PDF Converter to Acrobat in the tasks required to create complex manuals (automatic bookmarks, hyperlinks, accessibility, embedded fonts--you know what I mean), I would also appreciate having that information. Regards, Emmy Aricioglu Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dennisb%40chronometrics.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Dennis Brunnenmeyer Director of Engineering CEDAR RIDGE SYSTEMS 15019 Rattlesnake Road Grass Valley, CA 95945-8710 Office: (530) 477-9015 Fax: (530) 477-9085 Mobile: (530) 320-9025 eMail: dennisb /at/ chronometrics /dot/ com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Using PDF Converter with Frame
Hi Emmy, cost-cutting? Well, the purchasing dept will need to have a word with the tech doc and the HR departments. Indeed, there are inexpensive or even free PDF converters available out there, but apart from the purchasing price, you also need to take the notorious hidden costs into account, i.e. the time people are wasting fiddling with these tools and trying to figure out how they can get a decent PDF out of it. Decent meaning things like: * Bookmarks * All hyperlinks working * High-quality graphics * Good font embedding/subsetting * Print-ready, or maybe even Enfocus Certified (www.enfocus.com). Kind regards Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Asselsstraat 65 9031 Gent Belgium T: +32 494 12 01 89 F: +32 9 366 50 23 BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394 skype: yves.barbion Emmy A. wrote: Hello Everyone, We use several versions of Frame, from 6+SGML through Frame 8, to create software manuals. We have been using Frame for many years, but my company's purchasing department recently asked us to stop ordering Acrobat and to instead try using a product called PDF Converter. Cost-cutting. Because I was asked to, I tested PDF Converter and found that it does not recognize Frame files. After fiddling around with it, I was able to print an individual chapter of one manual to the PDF Converter printer, which resulted in a PDF of that chapter, but the PDF had no bookmarks or hyperlinks. I believe the product may be able to create bookmarks but they have to be done manually (imagine doing this at production time), but on the topic of hyperlinks, the included documentation is silent. The product also claims that PDFs created from it can be edited, but it appears it does so by converting the PDF to a Word file. I don't see the appeal of this when the source was created in Frame. What am I missing? In any case, I was unsuccessful in creating a PDF of an entire manual that resembled the manuals we have been producing successfully for many years using Acrobat. However, I am still tasked with justifying why we need Acrobat. Therefore, if anyone out there is using PDF Converter to create PDF files from Frame, and you are able to create PDF versions of multi-chapter books that contain hundreds of hyperlinks, automatically generated bookmarks, and all the other features standard with Acrobat, would you please be kind enough to write to me and tell me how you do it? Or, if anyone has made a comparison of the features of PDF Converter to Acrobat in the tasks required to create complex manuals (automatic bookmarks, hyperlinks, accessibility, embedded fonts--you know what I mean), I would also appreciate having that information. Regards, Emmy Aricioglu Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Using PDF Converter with Frame
Hi Emmy, FM is bundled with Acrobat Distiller. So even, if you do not have Acrobat Standard/Professional/3D, you can create valid PDF files with all features you are used to and for which you rely on Acrobat. You do not need to create your PDF files with any other PDF converter. However, if you intend to edit or check your PDF files in any way, you should check whether your new tool allows what you want to do. A feature list is e.g. here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html Best regards Winfried -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Emmy A. Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 4:41 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Using PDF Converter with Frame Hello Everyone, We use several versions of Frame, from 6+SGML through Frame 8, to create software manuals. We have been using Frame for many years, but my company's purchasing department recently asked us to stop ordering Acrobat and to instead try using a product called PDF Converter. Cost-cutting. Because I was asked to, I tested PDF Converter and found that it does not recognize Frame files. After fiddling around with it, I was able to print an individual chapter of one manual to the PDF Converter printer, which resulted in a PDF of that chapter, but the PDF had no bookmarks or hyperlinks. I believe the product may be able to create bookmarks but they have to be done manually (imagine doing this at production time), but on the topic of hyperlinks, the included documentation is silent. The product also claims that PDFs created from it can be edited, but it appears it does so by converting the PDF to a Word file. I don't see the appeal of this when the source was created in Frame. What am I missing? In any case, I was unsuccessful in creating a PDF of an entire manual that resembled the manuals we have been producing successfully for many years using Acrobat. However, I am still tasked with justifying why we need Acrobat. Therefore, if anyone out there is using PDF Converter to create PDF files from Frame, and you are able to create PDF versions of multi-chapter books that contain hundreds of hyperlinks, automatically generated bookmarks, and all the other features standard with Acrobat, would you please be kind enough to write to me and tell me how you do it? Or, if anyone has made a comparison of the features of PDF Converter to Acrobat in the tasks required to create complex manuals (automatic bookmarks, hyperlinks, accessibility, embedded fonts--you know what I mean), I would also appreciate having that information. Regards, Emmy Aricioglu ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Using PDF Converter with Frame
TCO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_cost_of_ownership) TCO analysis originated with the Gartner Group in 1987 [1] and has since been developed in a number of different methodologies and software tools. A TCO assessment ideally offers a final statement reflecting not only the cost of purchase but all aspects in the further use and maintenance of the equipment, device, or system considered. This includes the costs of training support personnel and the users of the system, costs associated with failure or outage (planned and unplanned), diminished performance incidents (i.e. if users are kept waiting), costs of security breaches (in loss of reputation and recovery costs), costs of disaster preparedness and recovery, floor space, electricity, development expenses, testing infrastructure and expenses, quality assurance, boot image control, marginal incremental growth, decommissioning, e-waste handling, and more. Therefore TCO is sometimes referred to as total cost of operation. When incorporated in any financial benefit analysis (e.g., ROI, IRR, EVA, ROIT, RJE) TCO provides a cost basis for determining the economic value of that investment. See also Full Cost Accounting. I'm sorry, but as a former Purchasing Manager and a current software technical writer, I think your purchasing department has made decision that isn't supported by conventional accounting practices. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:framers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yves Barbion Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:51 AM To: Emmy A. Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Using PDF Converter with Frame Hi Emmy, cost-cutting? Well, the purchasing dept will need to have a word with the tech doc and the HR departments. Indeed, there are inexpensive or even free PDF converters available out there, but apart from the purchasing price, you also need to take the notorious hidden costs into account, i.e. the time people are wasting fiddling with these tools and trying to figure out how they can get a decent PDF out of it. Decent meaning things like: * Bookmarks * All hyperlinks working * High-quality graphics * Good font embedding/subsetting * Print-ready, or maybe even Enfocus Certified (www.enfocus.com). Kind regards Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto bvba Asselsstraat 65 9031 Gent Belgium T: +32 494 12 01 89 F: +32 9 366 50 23 BTW (VAT) BE 0886.192.394 skype: yves.barbion Emmy A. wrote: Hello Everyone, We use several versions of Frame, from 6+SGML through Frame 8, to create software manuals. We have been using Frame for many years, but my company's purchasing department recently asked us to stop ordering Acrobat and to instead try using a product called PDF Converter. Cost-cutting. Because I was asked to, I tested PDF Converter and found that it does not recognize Frame files. After fiddling around with it, I was able to print an individual chapter of one manual to the PDF Converter printer, which resulted in a PDF of that chapter, but the PDF had no bookmarks or hyperlinks. I believe the product may be able to create bookmarks but they have to be done manually (imagine doing this at production time), but on the topic of hyperlinks, the included documentation is silent. The product also claims that PDFs created from it can be edited, but it appears it does so by converting the PDF to a Word file. I don't see the appeal of this when the source was created in Frame. What am I missing? In any case, I was unsuccessful in creating a PDF of an entire manual that resembled the manuals we have been producing successfully for many years using Acrobat. However, I am still tasked with justifying why we need Acrobat. Therefore, if anyone out there is using PDF Converter to create PDF files from Frame, and you are able to create PDF versions of multi-chapter books that contain hundreds of hyperlinks, automatically generated bookmarks, and all the other features standard with Acrobat, would you please be kind enough to write to me and tell me how you do it? Or, if anyone has made a comparison of the features of PDF Converter to Acrobat in the tasks required to create complex manuals (automatic bookmarks, hyperlinks, accessibility, embedded fonts--you know what I mean), I would also appreciate having that information. Regards, Emmy Aricioglu __ __ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: Using PDF Converter with Frame
my company's purchasing department recently asked us to stop ordering Acrobat and to instead try using a product called PDF Converter. Cost-cutting. Wow. The purchasing department could save even more money by giving up their computers, calculators, and spreadsheets, and going back to using pencil, paper, and slide rules. Think of the savings! :) Someone else gave a link to an Acrobat feature comparison matrix. Near the top of the page on that link is a more detailed version: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/pdfs/acrobat8_matrix.pdf Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
