Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Jakob, I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to the author. I eagerly await your contract proposal for assigning rights (and the subsequent royalty checks) for usage of my posts off the list, as I'm sure most members do. ;- ) Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive). Would it be a good idea to add this list to gmane.org? From the site: This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself, depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post or not. In addition, Gmane does spam detection, cross-post handling, has a TMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding service, a web interface, respects X-No-Archive, supplies RSS feeds, uses SPF, features user-defined filters, gathers traffic statistics, and has a real-time indexing search engine. Obviously, email addresses are hidden from view and from harvesting. It's free. I have no relationship with gmane apart from being a very satisfied user. What do you think? Lisa? -- cheers, Jakob. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Art, I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-) On 26/01/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jakob, I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to the author. Let's see: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg00795.html How much is this link worth? And who does it belong to? Rick? The Framers mailing list? The mail-archive.com people? Just talking about the link, mind you. These are really interesting questions, and I won't think we will find a satisfying answer (42 anyone?), but I also think nobody will be able to tell whether or not I put these links in an internal document or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
I'm so glad that the technical ability to do it has superceded the wishes of people who are taking their time to help other list members. I'm sure I can find instructions and links on the web to crack someone's IT enterprise. That must make it OK too. --- Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I need: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/ All is well now (except maybe for John P. :-)) John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV, either), but I don't see how publication in any medium of a URL to an item in a publicly available archive infringes on the original poster's copyright. It seems to me that publishing a URL is analogous to publishing the ISBN number for a work published in hard. All you are doing is facilitating someone's ability to access the original work which is already publicly available. If you want to carry the copyright thing to such an extreme, how about forbidding the inclusion of any portion of the original posting in all replies? That seems to be more of a rights violation to me than publishing a URL to a public archive. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel (particularly on intellectual property issues...) Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakob Fix [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Framers List framers@frameusers.com Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:43:53 -0500 I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not still copyright by the author. Art _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Dear Jakob, I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without contacting each person who signed up to Framers and asking each of them for permission to do it. If anyone refuses, you can not do it, period. I think other list users would agree. When anyone signs up for an e-mail list, they share information to that list. By doing that, they accept the list's privacy policy. I don't see a link to it on FrameUsers.com, but I'm sure one exists, if not in writing then in the minds of the lists' administrators. If you then put the e-mail list into any tool that exposes it beyond its intended audience, you've violated the privacy policy. I won't get into the legal aspects of this, since I'm sure another respondent will (if it hasn't happened already). Though your intentions are quite good, I am writing to remind you that you can't control gmane.org. If you want to publicize framers list, then publicize it and make individuals sign up for it. That forces them to break the barrier of anonymity. That is the right, honorable, and decent way to share information online. I hope that you will consider it in this light and do the right thing. Joe Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:14 AM To: Framers List Subject: add Framers list to gmane.org? Hello, for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive). ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Stuart...that is not even close to what I object to. Posting a fully formed URL for easier use by list members within the approved list community and posting a URL in a source I know nothing about, for use by people I know nothing about, used in a way and context I know nothing about are two completely different things. I assume you said what you did to get a response, not because it made any sense. nothing more than an address) constitutes copyright violation, why did you ask us all to do it for you? ( http://tinyurl.com/8dn69 ) John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications
Jakob Fix wrote: Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I need: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/ And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you click on any of these links, the email is shown as [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that spammers can't get the address... John ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
If it gets that far, it is only because the request that I made on this forum was ignored. Besides...that isn't extortion. That would be if I came out of nowhere and threatened harm. I'd only be responding to what I perceive as harm made first to me. going to make Jakob question how important the information in that post really was. Yes, you can bully him into doing what you want by threatening them with some sort of harm. That's usually called extortion... John Posada Senior Technical Writer So long and thanks for all the fish. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
