FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)
Jeremy Griffith wrote (in part): > One of 277's "features" is a change to the sort order of the > formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard > usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters). The same > "improvement" is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini > setting to make it work the old (correct) way. With 277, > you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you > uninstall and reinstall from the original media. Be warned. On my system, each of the updates appears as a separate item in the Control Panel's Add or Remove Programs listing, and I was able to successfully roll back (or at least it *seemed* to be completely successful...) from 277 to 273 by removing the "Adobe FrameMaker 8 p277 Patcher" item. -Fred Ridder
RE: FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)
Jeremy Griffith wrote (in part): > One of 277's "features" is a change to the sort order of the > formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard > usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters). The same > "improvement" is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini > setting to make it work the old (correct) way. With 277, > you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you > uninstall and reinstall from the original media. Be warned. On my system, each of the updates appears as a separate item in the Control Panel's Add or Remove Programs listing, and I was able to successfully roll back (or at least it *seemed* to be completely successful...) from 277 to 273 by removing the "Adobe FrameMaker 8 p277 Patcher" item. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:43:49 -0700, "Lucie Haskins" wrote: >Now, *why* FM didn't automatically update to 273 when >I asked it to earlier this past weekend, I'll never >know. It just updated me to 266... It's because you were at 236, the one before 266. Since updates are sequential, and not cumulative, it chose the one for the level you were at, 236; it couldn't choose either of the later ones, because you weren't at the level they required yet. Likewise, when you were at 266, it could offer the one to 273, but not the last one, to 277. There are three FM8 patches shown at: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows 8.0.1 English, French, German; from 236 to 266 8.0.2 English, French, German; from 266 to 273 8.0.4 English, French, German, Japanese; from 273 to 277 The missing one, 8.0.3, had some nasty bugs and was replaced by 8.0.4, which I'm still not willing to install myself... ;-) One of 277's "features" is a change to the sort order of the formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters). The same "improvement" is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini setting to make it work the old (correct) way. With 277, you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you uninstall and reinstall from the original media. Be warned. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM8 Updates (was: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0)
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 14:43:49 -0700, "Lucie Haskins" wrote: >Now, *why* FM didn't automatically update to 273 when >I asked it to earlier this past weekend, I'll never >know. It just updated me to 266... It's because you were at 236, the one before 266. Since updates are sequential, and not cumulative, it chose the one for the level you were at, 236; it couldn't choose either of the later ones, because you weren't at the level they required yet. Likewise, when you were at 266, it could offer the one to 273, but not the last one, to 277. There are three FM8 patches shown at: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=22&platform=Windows 8.0.1 English, French, German; from 236 to 266 8.0.2 English, French, German; from 266 to 273 8.0.4 English, French, German, Japanese; from 273 to 277 The missing one, 8.0.3, had some nasty bugs and was replaced by 8.0.4, which I'm still not willing to install myself... ;-) One of 277's "features" is a change to the sort order of the formats in the catalogs that makes mincemeat of keyboard usage for applying formats (Ctrl-number-letters). The same "improvement" is in FM9, but thankfully there is a maker.ini setting to make it work the old (correct) way. With 277, you're stuck with it; you can't undo the patch unless you uninstall and reinstall from the original media. Be warned. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0
Shlomo, You hit the nail on the head! I was at release 266. I thought I had updated to the latest release but obviously I hadn't. I just downloaded the latest patch (I'm now at 273) and regenerated my index after applying the patch. All the missing entries now displayed! The problem has been resolved. Thank you so much for pointing me in the right direction. Now, *why* FM didn't automatically update to 273 when I asked it to earlier this past weekend, I'll never know. It just updated me to 266... Thank you again! Lucie Haskins - Original Message - From: "Shlomo Perets" To: "Lucie Haskins" ; Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:10 PM Subject: Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0 > Lucie, > > You wrote: > >>I've run into a very frustrating situation in creating index entries >>where, if I'm using combination >>to italicize certain entries or portions of entries, it plays havoc >>with the next entries in the list, the regenerated index combines the >>next entry into the one I italicized. >> >>I cannot figure out what the problem is... or if this is a known bug >>with FM 8.0 >> >>Here's an example >> >>Munich Medical Weekly (publication) >> Jesionek's article 110, 111 >> Sauerbruch/Gerson collaboration 92, 96 >> von Weisl/Gerson collaboration 143 >> 84-93 >> >>[Note the 84-93 appearing on a new line at the end... This is really a >>completely different entry... >> >>Munich, Germany 84-93 >> >>Here is how I have the entries coded: >> >>Munich Medical Weekly (publication): >>Jesionek's article >>Munich Medical Weekly (publication): >>Sauerbruch/Gerson collaboration >>Munich Medical Weekly (publication): von >>Weisl/Gerson collaboration >> >><$startrange>Munich, Germany >><$endrange>Munich, Germany >> >>On a related problem, If I have an entry that needs to be completely >>italicized, such as New York Times, >> >>I've found that italicizing it as New York Times>Para Font> will cause the entry to completely disappear!!! from the >>regenerated index and the page numbers will roll up into the previous >>(completely unrelated) index entry. > > There is a FM8 bug related to character formats in index entries, > causing the sort to be incorrect. (this is also present in FM8.0p277). > > Workaround: add a space before the character tag in the index entry, > and the page numbers will be sorted properly. > > For example: > <$startrange>Plot Setup > <$endrange>Plot Setup > > And likewise: > "Plot Setup " and "Plot:Setup " > > > With respect to the disappearing entries: there was a bug in earlier > FM8.0 releases were character formats used in markers for multi-level > entries containing the same text caused some entries to be missing in > the generated index. But this should have been fixed FM8.0p273. > > What is your FM8.0 release version? > > > Shlomo Perets > > MicroType * http://www.microtype.com > FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers > > "Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions > (Including an "Indexing Essentials" session, February 12) > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: difficulties using italics for index entries in FM 8.0
Lucie, You wrote: >I've run into a very frustrating situation in creating index entries >where, if I'm using combination >to italicize certain entries or portions of entries, it plays havoc >with the next entries in the list, the regenerated index combines the >next entry into the one I italicized. > >I cannot figure out what the problem is... or if this is a known bug with >FM 8.0 > >Here's an example > >Munich Medical Weekly (publication) > Jesionek's article 110, 111 > Sauerbruch/Gerson collaboration 92, 96 > von Weisl/Gerson collaboration 143 > 84-93 > >[Note the 84-93 appearing on a new line at the end... This is really a >completely different entry... > >Munich, Germany 84-93 > >Here is how I have the entries coded: > >Munich Medical Weekly (publication): >Jesionek's article >Munich Medical Weekly (publication): >Sauerbruch/Gerson collaboration >Munich Medical Weekly (publication): von >Weisl/Gerson collaboration > ><$startrange>Munich, Germany ><$endrange>Munich, Germany > >On a related problem, If I have an entry that needs to be completely >italicized, such as New York Times, > >I've found that italicizing it as New York TimesPara Font> will cause the entry to completely disappear!!! from the >regenerated index and the page numbers will roll up into the previous >(completely unrelated) index entry. There is a FM8 bug related to character formats in index entries, causing the sort to be incorrect. (this is also present in FM8.0p277). Workaround: add a space before the character tag in the index entry, and the page numbers will be sorted properly. For example: <$startrange>Plot Setup <$endrange>Plot Setup And likewise: "Plot Setup " and "Plot:Setup " With respect to the disappearing entries: there was a bug in earlier FM8.0 releases were character formats used in markers for multi-level entries containing the same text caused some entries to be missing in the generated index. But this should have been fixed FM8.0p273. What is your FM8.0 release version? Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers "Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions (Including an "Indexing Essentials" session, February 12) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
