RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-12 Thread Martinek, Carla
The one compelling reason I had to upgrade to FM8 was unicode support.
One of my docs was a multi-lingual safety guide, and each language had
to be done separately, PDF'd on localized machines, and then each
language had to be assembled into the the final book.

This caused problems with some of our print vendors.

When I switched to a Unicode-font-based template, those problems
disappeared.

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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
> > Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
> > systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with
it? I
> > don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I
did, I
> > could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from
within
> > FM 8.

> Not always true.  While FM8 does offer FM7 (and FM7 MIF) as SaveAs
> choices, there are a few spots where the FM8 UTF-8 encoding still
> appears in the FM7 file.  Numbering strings, for example, when you
> use a \b bullet in the string.  As a result, in Mif2Go, we check
> FM7 files as well as FM8 files for UTF-8, and handle it correctly
> wherever it appears.  But FM7 itself doesn't like UTF-8 at all...  ;-)

> So we'd be wary of using FM8 in a mixed environment for files that 
> will be worked on later by folks who have only FM7.  If you do use
> it, test *very* thoroughly, and look in odd corners like variable
> definitions, xref formats, and those numbering strings.  You may
> be fine, but it's best to find out early if you're not.

Okay ... good points! I guess the fact that I do not need to give/share
files to other folks makes the difference for me.

Z


RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Syed.Hosain
> > Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
> > systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with
it? I
> > don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I
did, I
> > could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from
within
> > FM 8.

> Not always true.  While FM8 does offer FM7 (and FM7 MIF) as SaveAs
> choices, there are a few spots where the FM8 UTF-8 encoding still
> appears in the FM7 file.  Numbering strings, for example, when you
> use a \b bullet in the string.  As a result, in Mif2Go, we check
> FM7 files as well as FM8 files for UTF-8, and handle it correctly
> wherever it appears.  But FM7 itself doesn't like UTF-8 at all...  ;-)

> So we'd be wary of using FM8 in a mixed environment for files that 
> will be worked on later by folks who have only FM7.  If you do use
> it, test *very* thoroughly, and look in odd corners like variable
> definitions, xref formats, and those numbering strings.  You may
> be fine, but it's best to find out early if you're not.

Okay ... good points! I guess the fact that I do not need to give/share
files to other folks makes the difference for me.

Z
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:22:26 -0700,  wrote:

>Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
>systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
>don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
>could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
>FM 8.

Not always true.  While FM8 does offer FM7 (and FM7 MIF) as SaveAs
choices, there are a few spots where the FM8 UTF-8 encoding still
appears in the FM7 file.  Numbering strings, for example, when you
use a \b bullet in the string.  As a result, in Mif2Go, we check
FM7 files as well as FM8 files for UTF-8, and handle it correctly
wherever it appears.  But FM7 itself doesn't like UTF-8 at all...  ;-)

So we'd be wary of using FM8 in a mixed environment for files that 
will be worked on later by folks who have only FM7.  If you do use
it, test *very* thoroughly, and look in odd corners like variable
definitions, xref formats, and those numbering strings.  You may
be fine, but it's best to find out early if you're not.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/


Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:22:26 -0700,  wrote:

>Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
>systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
>don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
>could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
>FM 8.

Not always true.  While FM8 does offer FM7 (and FM7 MIF) as SaveAs
choices, there are a few spots where the FM8 UTF-8 encoding still
appears in the FM7 file.  Numbering strings, for example, when you
use a \b bullet in the string.  As a result, in Mif2Go, we check
FM7 files as well as FM8 files for UTF-8, and handle it correctly
wherever it appears.  But FM7 itself doesn't like UTF-8 at all...  ;-)

So we'd be wary of using FM8 in a mixed environment for files that 
will be worked on later by folks who have only FM7.  If you do use
it, test *very* thoroughly, and look in odd corners like variable
definitions, xref formats, and those numbering strings.  You may
be fine, but it's best to find out early if you're not.

HTH!

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
> I'm an Adobe trainer, so I need both versions depending on which
version my client has. I also have InDesign CS2, CS3, and CS4 on my
computer too. (The government is usually the last to upgrade...)

Ah! Got it ...

> > I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you
did
> > an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
> > installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> I meant that rebooting into Boot Camp and then using Parallels no
longer used up two activations. I don't know if it was a Frame upgrade
(8 to 8.01 for example) or a Parallels (3 to 3.188 for example) that
stopped the dual activation--but I can switch between them now without
issue.

Okay ... thanks!

Z


RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Syed.Hosain
> I'm an Adobe trainer, so I need both versions depending on which
version my client has. I also have InDesign CS2, CS3, and CS4 on my
computer too. (The government is usually the last to upgrade...)

Ah! Got it ...

> > I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you
did
> > an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
> > installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> I meant that rebooting into Boot Camp and then using Parallels no
longer used up two activations. I don't know if it was a Frame upgrade
(8 to 8.01 for example) or a Parallels (3 to 3.188 for example) that
stopped the dual activation--but I can switch between them now without
issue.

Okay ... thanks!

Z
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Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread David Creamer
On syed.hos...@aeris.net at syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote on 12/11/08 7:22 AM:

> Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
> systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
> don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
> could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
> FM 8.

I'm an Adobe trainer, so I need both versions depending on which version my
client has. I also have InDesign CS2, CS3, and CS4 on my computer too. (The
government is usually the last to upgrade...)

> I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you did
> an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
> installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

I meant that rebooting into Boot Camp and then using Parallels no longer
used up two activations. I don't know if it was a Frame upgrade (8 to 8.01
for example) or a Parallels (3 to 3.188 for example) that stopped the dual
activation--but I can switch between them now without issue.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. Training & Consultation
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer for Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, InDesign,
InCopy, FrameMaker, Dreamweaver, Premiere, GoLive, and PageMaker
Authorized Quark Training Provider
Enfocus PitStop, Markzware FlightCheck, & FileMaker Authorized Trainer


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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread David Creamer
On Syed.Hosain at aeris.net at Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote on 12/11/08 7:22 
AM:

> Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
> systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
> don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
> could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
> FM 8.

I'm an Adobe trainer, so I need both versions depending on which version my
client has. I also have InDesign CS2, CS3, and CS4 on my computer too. (The
government is usually the last to upgrade...)

> I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you did
> an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
> installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

I meant that rebooting into Boot Camp and then using Parallels no longer
used up two activations. I don't know if it was a Frame upgrade (8 to 8.01
for example) or a Parallels (3 to 3.188 for example) that stopped the dual
activation--but I can switch between them now without issue.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. Training & Consultation
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer for Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, InDesign,
InCopy, FrameMaker, Dreamweaver, Premiere, GoLive, and PageMaker
Authorized Quark Training Provider
Enfocus PitStop, Markzware FlightCheck, & FileMaker Authorized Trainer




Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Mike Feimster


Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it?


Maybe. But.

- If FM 7.2 does everything you need, there might not be a reason to
update.

- Not everybody can get the money for updates. While it might be
relatively cheap to buy a single license, the cost grows quickly when
you need to update entire departments.

Mike



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To: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

> I use both FM 7.2 and 8 on the same Vista 32-bit system without
problems.
> I just open the version I want to use first.

Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
FM 8.

> If you used up both of your activations, you will have a problem. I
had a
> problem starting FM8 under Boot Camp (booting natively into Windows)
and
> then opening the Boot Camp partition via Parallels in that FM8
activated
> both times on my portable. That gave me problems installing it on my
tower
> with a similar Boot Camp/Parallels configuration. A quick call to
Adobe
> reset the activation. I think as long as you are not calling every
week,
> they generally trust the user.

That is what happened to me effectively. I used their licensing approach
to put one copy on my laptop and another on my home PC - where I
occasionally do work on the files (no one else uses either system). This
became a problem when my laptop hard drive became flaky.

> By the way, either a FM update or a Parallels update removed the
problem
> from happening again.

I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you did
an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> A quick call to Adobe reset the activation. I think as long as you are
not
> calling every week, they generally trust the user.

True. I have been buying FM from them (well, actually Frame Technology
first) since version 3 (on a Sun UNIX platform) way back when,
beta-tested the first Windows release, and have all the license keys
handy to provide if I ever needed to! :)

Z
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Martinek, Carla
The one compelling reason I had to upgrade to FM8 was unicode support.
One of my docs was a multi-lingual safety guide, and each language had
to be done separately, PDF'd on localized machines, and then each
language had to be assembled into the the final book.

This caused problems with some of our print vendors.

When I switched to a Unicode-font-based template, those problems
disappeared.

-Carla

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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
> > Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it?

> Maybe. But.

> - If FM 7.2 does everything you need, there might not be a reason to
update.

> - Not everybody can get the money for updates. While it might be
relatively cheap to buy a single license, the cost grows quickly when
you need to update entire departments.

Ah! I think I was not clear. I meant, that if a person has already
upgraded to FM8.0 on their system, then I don't get the reason for that
*same* person to keep FM7.2 on their system as well! I.e., why keep
*both* versions on that particular persons system?

Separately, your point about not *needing* to upgrade from 7.2 to 8 is,
of course, well-taken!

Z


Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
> I use both FM 7.2 and 8 on the same Vista 32-bit system without
problems.
> I just open the version I want to use first.

Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
FM 8.

> If you used up both of your activations, you will have a problem. I
had a
> problem starting FM8 under Boot Camp (booting natively into Windows)
and
> then opening the Boot Camp partition via Parallels in that FM8
activated
> both times on my portable. That gave me problems installing it on my
tower
> with a similar Boot Camp/Parallels configuration. A quick call to
Adobe
> reset the activation. I think as long as you are not calling every
week,
> they generally trust the user.

That is what happened to me effectively. I used their licensing approach
to put one copy on my laptop and another on my home PC - where I
occasionally do work on the files (no one else uses either system). This
became a problem when my laptop hard drive became flaky.

> By the way, either a FM update or a Parallels update removed the
problem
> from happening again.

I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you did
an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> A quick call to Adobe reset the activation. I think as long as you are
not
> calling every week, they generally trust the user.

True. I have been buying FM from them (well, actually Frame Technology
first) since version 3 (on a Sun UNIX platform) way back when,
beta-tested the first Windows release, and have all the license keys
handy to provide if I ever needed to! :)

Z


RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Syed.Hosain
> > Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it?

> Maybe. But.

> - If FM 7.2 does everything you need, there might not be a reason to
update.

> - Not everybody can get the money for updates. While it might be
relatively cheap to buy a single license, the cost grows quickly when
you need to update entire departments.

Ah! I think I was not clear. I meant, that if a person has already
upgraded to FM8.0 on their system, then I don't get the reason for that
*same* person to keep FM7.2 on their system as well! I.e., why keep
*both* versions on that particular persons system?

Separately, your point about not *needing* to upgrade from 7.2 to 8 is,
of course, well-taken!

Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Mike Feimster


Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it?


Maybe. But.

- If FM 7.2 does everything you need, there might not be a reason to
update.

- Not everybody can get the money for updates. While it might be
relatively cheap to buy a single license, the cost grows quickly when
you need to update entire departments.

Mike

 

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Subject: RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

> I use both FM 7.2 and 8 on the same Vista 32-bit system without
problems.
> I just open the version I want to use first.

Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
FM 8.

> If you used up both of your activations, you will have a problem. I
had a
> problem starting FM8 under Boot Camp (booting natively into Windows)
and
> then opening the Boot Camp partition via Parallels in that FM8
activated
> both times on my portable. That gave me problems installing it on my
tower
> with a similar Boot Camp/Parallels configuration. A quick call to
Adobe
> reset the activation. I think as long as you are not calling every
week,
> they generally trust the user.

That is what happened to me effectively. I used their licensing approach
to put one copy on my laptop and another on my home PC - where I
occasionally do work on the files (no one else uses either system). This
became a problem when my laptop hard drive became flaky.

> By the way, either a FM update or a Parallels update removed the
problem
> from happening again.

I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you did
an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> A quick call to Adobe reset the activation. I think as long as you are
not
> calling every week, they generally trust the user.

True. I have been buying FM from them (well, actually Frame Technology
first) since version 3 (on a Sun UNIX platform) way back when,
beta-tested the first Windows release, and have all the license keys
handy to provide if I ever needed to! :)

Z
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread Syed.Hosain
> I use both FM 7.2 and 8 on the same Vista 32-bit system without
problems.
> I just open the version I want to use first.

Curiosity question: I see a number of people keeping FM7.2 on their
systems. Why? Wouldn't it be simpler to go to FM8 and be done with it? I
don't have a need to send .fm or .book files to people, but if I did, I
could save it in FM7.2 format if needed (as far as I recall) from within
FM 8.

> If you used up both of your activations, you will have a problem. I
had a
> problem starting FM8 under Boot Camp (booting natively into Windows)
and
> then opening the Boot Camp partition via Parallels in that FM8
activated
> both times on my portable. That gave me problems installing it on my
tower
> with a similar Boot Camp/Parallels configuration. A quick call to
Adobe
> reset the activation. I think as long as you are not calling every
week,
> they generally trust the user.

That is what happened to me effectively. I used their licensing approach
to put one copy on my laptop and another on my home PC - where I
occasionally do work on the files (no one else uses either system). This
became a problem when my laptop hard drive became flaky.

> By the way, either a FM update or a Parallels update removed the
problem
> from happening again.

I am not sure I understand this exactly. Do you mean that when you did
an FM update (from like version 8 to version 8.0.1 or later) on an
installations, the activation problem is no longer a problem? How?

> A quick call to Adobe reset the activation. I think as long as you are
not
> calling every week, they generally trust the user.

True. I have been buying FM from them (well, actually Frame Technology
first) since version 3 (on a Sun UNIX platform) way back when,
beta-tested the first Windows release, and have all the license keys
handy to provide if I ever needed to! :)

Z
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread David Creamer
> I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions
> (one a bit belated).
> 
This has been answered, but I thought I'd donate my 2 cents...

> 1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this
> accurate? (A bit belated of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more
> time and end up re-installing XP, I thought I would ask here ... hoping to get
> a quick response).

I use both FM 7.2 and 8 on the same Vista 32-bit system without problems.
I just open the version I want to use first.
> 
> 2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for
> FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my
> new drive cause any headaches with registering these at Adobe? Since the OS
> has changed?

If you used up both of your activations, you will have a problem. I had a
problem starting FM8 under Boot Camp (booting natively into Windows) and
then opening the Boot Camp partition via Parallels in that FM8 activated
both times on my portable. That gave me problems installing it on my tower
with a similar Boot Camp/Parallels configuration. A quick call to Adobe
reset the activation. I think as long as you are not calling every week,
they generally trust the user.
  By the way, either a FM update or a Parallels update removed the problem
from happening again.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. Training & Consultation
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer for Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, InDesign,
InCopy, FrameMaker, Dreamweaver, Premiere, GoLive, and PageMaker
Authorized Quark Training Provider
Enfocus PitStop, Markzware FlightCheck, & FileMaker Authorized Trainer


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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-11 Thread David Creamer
> I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions
> (one a bit belated).
> 
This has been answered, but I thought I'd donate my 2 cents...

> 1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this
> accurate? (A bit belated of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more
> time and end up re-installing XP, I thought I would ask here ... hoping to get
> a quick response).

I use both FM 7.2 and 8 on the same Vista 32-bit system without problems.
I just open the version I want to use first.
> 
> 2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for
> FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my
> new drive cause any headaches with registering these at Adobe? Since the OS
> has changed?

If you used up both of your activations, you will have a problem. I had a
problem starting FM8 under Boot Camp (booting natively into Windows) and
then opening the Boot Camp partition via Parallels in that FM8 activated
both times on my portable. That gave me problems installing it on my tower
with a similar Boot Camp/Parallels configuration. A quick call to Adobe
reset the activation. I think as long as you are not calling every week,
they generally trust the user.
  By the way, either a FM update or a Parallels update removed the problem
from happening again.

David Creamer
I.D.E.A.S. Training & Consultation
http://www.IDEAStraining.com
Adobe Certified Trainer for Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat, InDesign,
InCopy, FrameMaker, Dreamweaver, Premiere, GoLive, and PageMaker
Authorized Quark Training Provider
Enfocus PitStop, Markzware FlightCheck, & FileMaker Authorized Trainer




RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Dov Isaacs
FrameMaker 7.2 ran without any problems with Vista as long as you didn't use 
the version of Distiller
that came with that product, but rather, substituted Acrobat 8.1.

- Dov

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:56 PM
To: Susan Modlin; Dov Isaacs; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

I do not know about FM 7.2 and Vista - so maybe Dov can comment on that.

But, at least, I can now confirm that FrameMaker 8 runs fine on Vista 32 bit. 
:) The look and feel of the windows and pop-ups is a bit different, but that 
has to do with Vista being different from XP ... not FrameMaker.

Z


From: Susan Modlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:14 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); Dov Isaacs; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

Just out of curiosity, does Frame 7.2 run on either Vista 32 or or 64-bit? I 
need a new PC, and will probably have to go to Vista, but my current version of 
Frame (7.2) does exactly what I need and I'd rather not upgrade to 8 if I don't 
have to.

...Susan
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Dov Isaacs
FrameMaker 7.2 ran without any problems with Vista as long as you didn't use 
the version of Distiller
that came with that product, but rather, substituted Acrobat 8.1.

- Dov

From: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:56 PM
To: Susan Modlin; Dov Isaacs; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

I do not know about FM 7.2 and Vista - so maybe Dov can comment on that.

But, at least, I can now confirm that FrameMaker 8 runs fine on Vista 32 bit. 
:) The look and feel of the windows and pop-ups is a bit different, but that 
has to do with Vista being different from XP ... not FrameMaker.

Z


From: Susan Modlin [mailto:smod...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:14 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Dov Isaacs; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

Just out of curiosity, does Frame 7.2 run on either Vista 32 or or 64-bit? I 
need a new PC, and will probably have to go to Vista, but my current version of 
Frame (7.2) does exactly what I need and I'd rather not upgrade to 8 if I don't 
have to.

...Susan


Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
I do not know about FM 7.2 and Vista - so maybe Dov can comment on that.



But, at least, I can now confirm that FrameMaker 8 runs fine on Vista 32
bit. J The look and feel of the windows and pop-ups is a bit different,
but that has to do with Vista being different from XP ... not
FrameMaker.



Z





From: Susan Modlin [mailto:smod...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:14 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); Dov Isaacs;
framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Just out of curiosity, does Frame 7.2 run on either Vista 32 or or
64-bit? I need a new PC, and will probably have to go to Vista, but my
current version of Frame (7.2) does exactly what I need and I'd rather
not upgrade to 8 if I don't have to. 

...Susan



RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Syed.Hosain
I do not know about FM 7.2 and Vista - so maybe Dov can comment on that.

 

But, at least, I can now confirm that FrameMaker 8 runs fine on Vista 32
bit. J The look and feel of the windows and pop-ups is a bit different,
but that has to do with Vista being different from XP ... not
FrameMaker.

 

Z

 

 

From: Susan Modlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:14 PM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED]); Dov Isaacs;
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

 

Just out of curiosity, does Frame 7.2 run on either Vista 32 or or
64-bit? I need a new PC, and will probably have to go to Vista, but my
current version of Frame (7.2) does exactly what I need and I'd rather
not upgrade to 8 if I don't have to. 

...Susan

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Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Susan Modlin
Just out of curiosity, does Frame 7.2 run on either Vista 32 or or 64-bit? I 
need a new PC, and will probably have to go to Vista, but my current version of 
Frame (7.2) does exactly what I need and I'd rather not upgrade to 8 if I don't 
have to. 

...Susan





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To: Dov Isaacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:28:43 PM
Subject: RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

Hi, Dov, et. al.

> (1) FrameMaker 8 works fine on both Vista 32-bit and Vista 64-bit
assuming that if you are running Acrobat, you are using at least Acrobat
8.1.


  
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Susan Modlin
Just out of curiosity, does Frame 7.2 run on either Vista 32 or or 64-bit? I 
need a new PC, and will probably have to go to Vista, but my current version of 
Frame (7.2) does exactly what I need and I'd rather not upgrade to 8 if I don't 
have to. 

...Susan





From: "Syed.Hosain at aeris.net" 
To: Dov Isaacs ; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:28:43 PM
Subject: RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

Hi, Dov, et. al.

> (1) FrameMaker 8 works fine on both Vista 32-bit and Vista 64-bit
assuming that if you are running Acrobat, you are using at least Acrobat
8.1.





Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
Hi, Dov, et. al.

> (1) FrameMaker 8 works fine on both Vista 32-bit and Vista 64-bit
assuming that if you are running Acrobat, you are using at least Acrobat
8.1.

Thanks for the info! I use Acrobat Pro 9, so that should be okay. But, I
do have to re-install Acrobat next. And, deal with the activation
problem there ... :(

By the way, I loaded FrameMaker 8 and told it not to load its built-in
PDF support ... under the assumption that the subsequent load of Acrobat
Pro 9 would be all that I need to do. Was this the right decision? I
hope to find this out before I call Adobe for the Acrobat activation
issues ...

Also, I ended up *not* loading Vista 64-bit for other reasons yesterday,
but I am glad to know that it would have been fine to do so if I had!
FWIW, I doubt that there would have been any performance improvement
with 64 bit Vista on the typical 100 to 300 page books I working on for,
so I decide not to hassle with it for now.

> (2) You should ALWAYS cleanly uninstall Adobe applications.
Actually you should first "deactivate" them and then uninstall them.
Failure to do that will probably cause major issues in terms of
activating them again on your "rebuilt" system.

Understood! I kinda did not have a choice in this matter. The OS was
locking up in reboots, and would not really allow me to bring up
FrameMaker and Acrobat and deactivate them cleanly. Although I did have
one opportunity to do so on Sunday when the system stayed up for a while
... but, I was hoping that the system was okay and did not need a
rebuild.

The joys of "activation", I guess! :(

> By the way, if you in fact "rebuilt" your laptop, hopefully you didn't
try to do an "in place" upgrade from XP to Vista. That is an absolute
disaster.

Luckily, nope. I did a clean install of Vista into a new disk, so there
was no OS loaded there from before.

> You will likely need to contact Adobe to be able to reactivate your
applications after you install them due to the failure to deactivate and
uninstall them previously.

That ended up being what I had to do to cure the problem ... John Posada
stated the same thing. The Adobe "Live Chat" person was not able to help
me, because FrameMaker somehow got messed up enough that it would not
start up. I had to reboot, deinstall, delete the installation directory
and do a clean install from the CD. Then, I was able to get to a screen
where a live phone call to the activation people got me going again.

Sigh ...

Thanks everybody who responded!

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:00 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...
>
> Hi, all.
>
> My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive
onto the system. In this
> process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than Windows
XP.
>
> I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some
questions (one a bit belated).
>
> 1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit).
Is this accurate? (A bit belated
> of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more time and end up
re-installing XP, I thought I
> would ask here ... hoping to get a quick response).
>
> 2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for
FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for
> obvious reasons. So will re-installing them on my new drive cause any
headaches with registering these
> at Adobe? Since the OS has changed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Z


RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Syed.Hosain
Hi, Dov, et. al.

> (1) FrameMaker 8 works fine on both Vista 32-bit and Vista 64-bit
assuming that if you are running Acrobat, you are using at least Acrobat
8.1.

Thanks for the info! I use Acrobat Pro 9, so that should be okay. But, I
do have to re-install Acrobat next. And, deal with the activation
problem there ... :(

By the way, I loaded FrameMaker 8 and told it not to load its built-in
PDF support ... under the assumption that the subsequent load of Acrobat
Pro 9 would be all that I need to do. Was this the right decision? I
hope to find this out before I call Adobe for the Acrobat activation
issues ...

Also, I ended up *not* loading Vista 64-bit for other reasons yesterday,
but I am glad to know that it would have been fine to do so if I had!
FWIW, I doubt that there would have been any performance improvement
with 64 bit Vista on the typical 100 to 300 page books I working on for,
so I decide not to hassle with it for now.

> (2) You should ALWAYS cleanly uninstall Adobe applications.
Actually you should first "deactivate" them and then uninstall them.
Failure to do that will probably cause major issues in terms of
activating them again on your "rebuilt" system.

Understood! I kinda did not have a choice in this matter. The OS was
locking up in reboots, and would not really allow me to bring up
FrameMaker and Acrobat and deactivate them cleanly. Although I did have
one opportunity to do so on Sunday when the system stayed up for a while
... but, I was hoping that the system was okay and did not need a
rebuild.

The joys of "activation", I guess! :(

> By the way, if you in fact "rebuilt" your laptop, hopefully you didn't
try to do an "in place" upgrade from XP to Vista. That is an absolute
disaster.

Luckily, nope. I did a clean install of Vista into a new disk, so there
was no OS loaded there from before.

> You will likely need to contact Adobe to be able to reactivate your
applications after you install them due to the failure to deactivate and
uninstall them previously.

That ended up being what I had to do to cure the problem ... John Posada
stated the same thing. The Adobe "Live Chat" person was not able to help
me, because FrameMaker somehow got messed up enough that it would not
start up. I had to reboot, deinstall, delete the installation directory
and do a clean install from the CD. Then, I was able to get to a screen
where a live phone call to the activation people got me going again.

Sigh ...

Thanks everybody who responded!

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:00 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...
>
> Hi, all.
>
> My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive
onto the system. In this
> process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than Windows
XP.
>
> I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some
questions (one a bit belated).
>
> 1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit).
Is this accurate? (A bit belated
> of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more time and end up
re-installing XP, I thought I
> would ask here ... hoping to get a quick response).
>
> 2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for
FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for
> obvious reasons. So will re-installing them on my new drive cause any
headaches with registering these
> at Adobe? Since the OS has changed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Z
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread John Posada
Why don't you just contact Adobe. Think maybe they've seen this
situation before?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM,   wrote:
> Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it 
> anyway and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my 
> activating this replacement drive (on the same system).


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Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
Okay ... I am now in "Live Chat" with someone who says they can help. 

Z



From: John Posada [mailto:jposad...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 12/10/2008 9:17 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Why don't you just contact Adobe. Think maybe they've seen this
situation before?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM,   wrote:
> Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it 
> anyway and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my 
> activating this replacement drive (on the same system).


--
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

Looking for the next gig.




Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
I think I will need to do that!

Z



From: John Posada [mailto:jposad...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 12/10/2008 9:17 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Why don't you just contact Adobe. Think maybe they've seen this
situation before?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM,   wrote:
> Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it 
> anyway and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my 
> activating this replacement drive (on the same system).


--
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

Looking for the next gig.




Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it anyway 
and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my activating this 
replacement drive (on the same system).

Is there a way to fix this problem? I can retrieve files from the old 
FrameMaker installation directory from my backups ... is there some file there 
that would solve this issue?

Z



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Wed 12/10/2008 8:59 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Hi, all.

My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive onto the 
system. In this process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than 
Windows XP.

I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions 
(one a bit belated).

1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this 
accurate? (A bit belated of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more 
time and end up re-installing XP, I thought I would ask here ... hoping to get 
a quick response).

2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for 
FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my 
new drive cause any headaches with registering these at Adobe? Since the OS has 
changed?

Thanks,

Z
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread syed.hos...@aeris.net
Hi, all.

My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive onto the 
system. In this process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than 
Windows XP.

I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions 
(one a bit belated).

1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this 
accurate? (A bit belated of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more 
time and end up re-installing XP, I thought I would ask here ... hoping to get 
a quick response).

2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for 
FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my 
new drive cause any headaches with registering these at Adobe? Since the OS has 
changed?

Thanks,

Z


RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Syed.Hosain
Okay ... I am now in "Live Chat" with someone who says they can help. 
 
Z



From: John Posada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 12/10/2008 9:17 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Why don't you just contact Adobe. Think maybe they've seen this
situation before?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it 
> anyway and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my 
> activating this replacement drive (on the same system).


--
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Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Syed.Hosain
I think I will need to do that!
 
Z



From: John Posada [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed 12/10/2008 9:17 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Why don't you just contact Adobe. Think maybe they've seen this
situation before?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it 
> anyway and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my 
> activating this replacement drive (on the same system).


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Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Dov Isaacs
(1) FrameMaker 8 works fine on both Vista 32-bit and Vista 64-bit
assuming that if you are running Acrobat, you are using at least
Acrobat 8.1.

(2) You should ALWAYS cleanly uninstall Adobe applications. Actually
you should first "deactivate" them and then uninstall them. Failure to
do that will probably cause major issues in terms of activating them
again on your "rebuilt" system.

By the way, if you in fact "rebuilt" your laptop, hopefully you didn't
try to do an "in place" upgrade from XP to Vista. That is an absolute
disaster.

You will likely need to contact Adobe to be able to reactivate your
applications after you install them due to the failure to deactivate
and uninstall them previously.

Good luck!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:00 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...
>
> Hi, all.
>
> My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive onto 
> the system. In this
> process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than Windows XP.
>
> I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions 
> (one a bit belated).
>
> 1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this 
> accurate? (A bit belated
> of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more time and end up 
> re-installing XP, I thought I
> would ask here ... hoping to get a quick response).
>
> 2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for 
> FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for
> obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my new drive cause any 
> headaches with registering these
> at Adobe? Since the OS has changed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Z
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Dov Isaacs
(1) FrameMaker 8 works fine on both Vista 32-bit and Vista 64-bit
assuming that if you are running Acrobat, you are using at least
Acrobat 8.1.

(2) You should ALWAYS cleanly uninstall Adobe applications. Actually
you should first "deactivate" them and then uninstall them. Failure to
do that will probably cause major issues in terms of activating them
again on your "rebuilt" system.

By the way, if you in fact "rebuilt" your laptop, hopefully you didn't
try to do an "in place" upgrade from XP to Vista. That is an absolute
disaster.

You will likely need to contact Adobe to be able to reactivate your
applications after you install them due to the failure to deactivate
and uninstall them previously.

Good luck!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:00 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...
>
> Hi, all.
>
> My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive onto 
> the system. In this
> process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than Windows XP.
>
> I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions 
> (one a bit belated).
>
> 1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this 
> accurate? (A bit belated
> of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more time and end up 
> re-installing XP, I thought I
> would ask here ... hoping to get a quick response).
>
> 2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for 
> FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for
> obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my new drive cause any 
> headaches with registering these
> at Adobe? Since the OS has changed?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Z


Re: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread John Posada
Why don't you just contact Adobe. Think maybe they've seen this
situation before?

On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it 
> anyway and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my 
> activating this replacement drive (on the same system).


-- 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
NYMetro STC President

Looking for the next gig.
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RE: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Syed.Hosain
Sigh ... yup, I was afraid of this issue. I decided to try installing it anyway 
and the older "activation" on my dead drive is preventing my activating this 
replacement drive (on the same system).
 
Is there a way to fix this problem? I can retrieve files from the old 
FrameMaker installation directory from my backups ... is there some file there 
that would solve this issue?
 
Z



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Syed Zaeem Hosain ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Wed 12/10/2008 8:59 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...



Hi, all.

My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive onto the 
system. In this process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than 
Windows XP.

I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions 
(one a bit belated).

1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this 
accurate? (A bit belated of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more 
time and end up re-installing XP, I thought I would ask here ... hoping to get 
a quick response).

2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for 
FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my 
new drive cause any headaches with registering these at Adobe? Since the OS has 
changed?

Thanks,

Z
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Re-installing FM 8 onto a new drive ...

2008-12-10 Thread Syed.Hosain
Hi, all.
 
My laptop disk drive started acting flaky, so I had to put a new drive onto the 
system. In this process, I rebuilt my laptop using Windows Vista rather than 
Windows XP.
 
I am now at the stage of re-installing FrameMaker 8 and have some questions 
(one a bit belated).
 
1. I assumed that FM 8 works fine on Vista (both 32-bit and 64-bit). Is this 
accurate? (A bit belated of a question, I suppose, but before I waste any more 
time and end up re-installing XP, I thought I would ask here ... hoping to get 
a quick response).
 
2. I did not cleanly do the UNinstall on my previous drive (either for 
FrameMaker or Acrobat 9) for obviosu reasons. So will re-installing them on my 
new drive cause any headaches with registering these at Adobe? Since the OS has 
changed?

Thanks,
 
Z
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