RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote: Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI? Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac. What format did you save the AI files as? PDF. What were your PDF settings? If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller, print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3. What version of Acrobat Pro do you have? 6 (I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?) Yes -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow. The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps. (I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long since I used that version.) PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac. If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac. For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat. If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade Acrobat). David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor Certified Expert since 1995 Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988 -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:29 AM To: David Creamer Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information Importance: High At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote: Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI? Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac. What format did you save the AI files as? PDF. What were your PDF settings? If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller, print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3. What version of Acrobat Pro do you have? 6 (I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?) Yes -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
David, thanks for thinking about this. At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote: OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow. A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the author's choice: he did his own diagrams. The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps. (I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long since I used that version.) I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it. Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so upgrades are becoming problematic. I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more recent version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has one and can do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it? PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a recognisable standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they can do the CMY - K shift. As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac. If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac. For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat. You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline. That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute and goes back to v 3, 1992. If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade Acrobat). I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager allows you to do this sort of thing inside the app. Thanks for clarifying the issues. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
I still have the old Mac version of Frame, but I don't even have a Mac that can run it! g I can convert the PDF for you. I will send you a link off-line for Minus.com. They allow very large file uploads for free. David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor Certified Expert since 1995 Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988 -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:05 AM To: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information Importance: High David, thanks for thinking about this. At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote: OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow. A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the author's choice: he did his own diagrams. The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps. (I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long since I used that version.) I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it. Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so upgrades are becoming problematic. I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more recent version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has one and can do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it? PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a recognisable standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they can do the CMY - K shift. As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac. If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac. For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat. You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline. That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute and goes back to v 3, 1992. If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade Acrobat). I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager allows you to do this sort of thing inside the app. Thanks for clarifying the issues. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Removing extraneous color channel information
At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote: >Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI? Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac. >What format did you save the AI files as? PDF. >What were your PDF settings? If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller, print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3. >What version of Acrobat Pro do you have? 6 >(I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?) Yes -- Steve
Removing extraneous color channel information
OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow. The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps. (I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long since I used that version.) PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac. If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac. For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat. If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade Acrobat). David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995 Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988 -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 5:29 AM To: David Creamer Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information Importance: High At 15:24 -0800 14/12/11, David Creamer wrote: >Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI? Author's graphics, done in OmniGraffle on Mac. >What format did you save the AI files as? PDF. >What were your PDF settings? If you mean from Illustrator, as in PDFX/1 etc, none. If you mean Distiller, print quality standard but I'm working towards PDF/X-3. >What version of Acrobat Pro do you have? 6 >(I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?) Yes -- Steve
Removing extraneous color channel information
David, thanks for thinking about this. At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote: >OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like most >business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and >pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a >the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow. A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the author's choice: he did his own diagrams. >The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You can >convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps. >(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long >since I used that version.) I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it. Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so upgrades are becoming problematic. I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more recent version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has one and can do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it? >PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a recognisable standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they can do the CMY -> K shift. >As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac. >If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get >Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac. >For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last >option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat. You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline. That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute and goes back to v 3, 1992. >If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still upgrade >Acrobat). I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager allows you to do this sort of thing inside the app. Thanks for clarifying the issues. -- Steve
Removing extraneous color channel information
I still have the old Mac version of Frame, but I don't even have a Mac that can run it! I can convert the PDF for you. I will send you a link off-line for Minus.com. They allow very large file uploads for free. David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995 Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988 -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:05 AM To: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Removing extraneous color channel information Importance: High David, thanks for thinking about this. At 08:39 -0800 15/12/11, David Creamer wrote: >OmniGraffle is the problem (as far as your issue is concerned). Like >most business-related programs, it works in RGB. Its drop shadows are RGB and pixel-based, so Illustrator can convert the RGB to CMYK, but it can't change a the resulting CMYK shadow to grayscale/K-only shadow. A, I see. Oh. Pity I didn't know that back at the beginning. OmniG was the author's choice: he did his own diagrams. >The easiest thing to do is upgrade to a newer version of Acrobat. You >can convert the entire document to grayscale, removing the CMY seps. >(I don't remember if version 6 can do that or not--it has been too long >since I used that version.) I looked for this sort of option, but could not find it. Trouble is, I'm locked to 10.4.11 by FrameMaker, at present at least, so upgrades are becoming problematic. I can't just remove the CMY, I need to map them onto the K. Would a more recent version of Acrobat do this? If so, I can maybe find someone who has one and can do the one-shot conversion of the pre-press file with it? >PDF/X-3 will not solve your problem as it does not convert color. No, I wasn't looking for it as a solution to that, but merely as a recognisable standard for the printers. I'm still trying to find out if they can do the CMY -> K shift. >As an aside, I would either make a commitment to FrameMaker or to the Mac. >If FrameMaker--get a Windows computer, run Boot Camp on the Mac, or get >Parallels (or similar program) to run Windows on your Mac. >For the latter two, you may need a newer Mac, especially for the last >option. Then upgrade FrameMaker and Acrobat. You give good advice, but not something I can do when faced with a deadline. That's my long-term plan, for sure. My commitment to FrameMaker is absolute and goes back to v 3, 1992. >If you want to say strictly Mac, consider using InDesign (and still >upgrade Acrobat). I do use InDesign as well, but not for textbooks. InDesign's ink manager allows you to do this sort of thing inside the app. Thanks for clarifying the issues. -- Steve
Re: Removing extraneous color channel information
No-one have any ideas on this? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Removing extraneous color channel information
Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI? What format did you save the AI files as? What were your PDF settings? What version of Acrobat Pro do you have? (I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?) David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor Certified Expert since 1995 Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988 -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:00 + From: Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Removing extraneous color channel information Message-ID: p06240809cb0ba503a311@[192.168.0.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FrameMaker 7 for Mac, print to .ps, Distiller 6. I am currently packaging a book to be printed in bw using the same workflow that I've used successfully on lots of other books in the past, either bw or spot color. Although I have applied all the processes used for previous books (reducing photos to 8-bit grayscale, applying Illustrator's 'convert to grayscale' filter to line art, making sure all included graphics are CMYK and not RGB), I seem to be unable to remove information in the C, M and Y channels in the press-ready PDF. The problem manifests itself with inserted photos and drop-shadows on line art. In preflight, if the C, M and Y channels are switched off, the photos look bad. Rather than dump this problem on the printers, I'd like to resolve it here, but I am out of ideas. Can anyone advise me? -- Steve *** ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Removing extraneous color channel information
No-one have any ideas on this? -- Steve
Removing extraneous color channel information
Where did you create the drop shadows? In AI? What format did you save the AI files as? What were your PDF settings? What version of Acrobat Pro do you have? (I noticed you are using Distiller 6--is your Acrobat the same version?) David Creamer IDEAS Training http://www.ideastraining.com Adobe Authorized Instructor & Certified Expert since 1995 Authorized QuarkXPress Instructor and Certified Expert since 1988 -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:00 + From: Steve Rickaby <srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Removing extraneous color channel information Message-ID: <p06240809cb0ba503a311@[192.168.0.4]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" FrameMaker 7 for Mac, print to .ps, Distiller 6. I am currently packaging a book to be printed in b using the same workflow that I've used successfully on lots of other books in the past, either b or spot color. Although I have applied all the processes used for previous books (reducing photos to 8-bit grayscale, applying Illustrator's 'convert to grayscale' filter to line art, making sure all included graphics are CMYK and not RGB), I seem to be unable to remove information in the C, M and Y channels in the press-ready PDF. The problem manifests itself with inserted photos and drop-shadows on line art. In preflight, if the C, M and Y channels are switched off, the photos look bad. Rather than dump this problem on the printers, I'd like to resolve it here, but I am out of ideas. Can anyone advise me? -- Steve ***
Removing extraneous color channel information
FrameMaker 7 for Mac, print to .ps, Distiller 6. I am currently packaging a book to be printed in bw using the same workflow that I've used successfully on lots of other books in the past, either bw or spot color. Although I have applied all the processes used for previous books (reducing photos to 8-bit grayscale, applying Illustrator's 'convert to grayscale' filter to line art, making sure all included graphics are CMYK and not RGB), I seem to be unable to remove information in the C, M and Y channels in the press-ready PDF. The problem manifests itself with inserted photos and drop-shadows on line art. In preflight, if the C, M and Y channels are switched off, the photos look bad. Rather than dump this problem on the printers, I'd like to resolve it here, but I am out of ideas. Can anyone advise me? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Removing extraneous color channel information
FrameMaker 7 for Mac, print to .ps, Distiller 6. I am currently packaging a book to be printed in b using the same workflow that I've used successfully on lots of other books in the past, either b or spot color. Although I have applied all the processes used for previous books (reducing photos to 8-bit grayscale, applying Illustrator's 'convert to grayscale' filter to line art, making sure all included graphics are CMYK and not RGB), I seem to be unable to remove information in the C, M and Y channels in the press-ready PDF. The problem manifests itself with inserted photos and drop-shadows on line art. In preflight, if the C, M and Y channels are switched off, the photos look bad. Rather than dump this problem on the printers, I'd like to resolve it here, but I am out of ideas. Can anyone advise me? -- Steve
