Spam from India?
My attitude about spam is that it's a fair price (on the whole) to pay for a relatively low-cost, open, and liberal communication resource. I use my delete key often; it helps exercise my hand! I recognize, though, that this might not be an option for everyone, because * not everyone has high bandwidth access, so spam costs them significant extra time and money * not everyone has relatively unlimited storage space * not everyone has an ISP/workplace that understands or accepts that one should not blame the recipient. * some people use ISP/e-mail providers whose approach to spam is to kill the fly with an atom bomb, thus destroying innocent messages. I don't believe that we have a useful way of preventing spam. I have received virus-laden spam in e-mail messages tagged with my own personal domain! I notified my domain hoster. Beyond that, I don't take responsibility, and I don't worry. Someone needs to teach the moderator the basics of e-mail, IMHO. Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 jmalin at tuvox.com www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nandini G Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:34 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Spam from India? I belong to the TWI (Technical Writers of India) group. Recently the moderator deplored that some spam came from the members, only to get reports from the members that their names and email addresses were used unkown to them for spamming.
RE: Spam from India?
My attitude about spam is that it's a fair price (on the whole) to pay for a relatively low-cost, open, and liberal communication resource. I use my delete key often; it helps exercise my hand! I recognize, though, that this might not be an option for everyone, because * not everyone has high bandwidth access, so spam costs them significant extra time and money * not everyone has relatively unlimited storage space * not everyone has an ISP/workplace that understands or accepts that one should not blame the recipient. * some people use ISP/e-mail providers whose approach to spam is to kill the fly with an atom bomb, thus destroying innocent messages. I don't believe that we have a useful way of preventing spam. I have received virus-laden spam in e-mail messages tagged with my own personal domain! I notified my domain hoster. Beyond that, I don't take responsibility, and I don't worry. Someone needs to teach the moderator the basics of e-mail, IMHO. Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nandini G Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:34 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Spam from India? I belong to the TWI (Technical Writers of India) group. Recently the moderator deplored that some spam came from the members, only to get reports from the members that their names and email addresses were used unkown to them for spamming. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Spam from India?
I belong to the TWI (Technical Writers of India) group. Recently the moderator deplored that some spam came from the members, only to get reports from the members that their names and email addresses were used unkown to them for spamming. I can't say whether this is a case of assumed name/id. It would be a good idea to scramble our email addresses or cut off the last portion so that we do not become victims of spam. Also, a random message to the group from the moderator announcing not to advertise services to the group would help. Alas, not everyone knows netiquette. If the messages continue, we have the phone number :) Who do you call? Spambusters! Nandini __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Spam from India?
I belong to the TWI (Technical Writers of India) group. Recently the moderator deplored that some spam came from the members, only to get reports from the members that their names and email addresses were used unkown to them for spamming. I can't say whether this is a case of assumed name/id. It would be a good idea to scramble our email addresses or cut off the last portion so that we do not become victims of spam. Also, a random message to the group from the moderator announcing not to advertise services to the group would help. Alas, not everyone knows netiquette. If the messages continue, we have the phone number :) Who do you call? Spambusters! Nandini __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Spam from India?
I just got one of these addressed to a long-gone former employee whose mail is routed to me. This person never posted to this list. This makes it seem that perhaps the mail is being sent to addressees culled from multiple sources, such as company directories, Web sites, vendor listings, and perhaps even from results of search-engine searches. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices peter at knowhowpro.com
Spam from India?
Fred Ridder wrote: > That's an unrealistic attitude, John. I think not, I have been on literally 20+ lists since about 1987 and this is now the THIRD Spam message ever I have gotten from a mailing list. In each of those other cases, the member was disciplined or removed. If not, it just spirals out of control. Also, every other list (including about a dozen Yahoo Groups that I run) munges the email addresses when posted for web consumption. If this is not the case with this list, I am gone. John
Spam from India?
Bernard Aschwanden wrote: > Hi John, Hopefully the bulk of people respond directly to you and maybe you > can let Lisa (and the list?) know the results... Just to avoid a flood of > email as I'm sure that you're not the only one. Yep, I've already gotten about 10 messages and it's about 50/50. I personally view this as pure spam and I would think this guy should be barred from the list. This is at best really annoying and I would actually say it's unethical. I spend a lot of time working to avoid spam and if this list will allow anyone to harvest my email to send me an unsolicited message to outsource work to India, I'm going to have to (unfortunately) drop it. John
Spam from India?
Last fall, yes. And thank you, gmail, for effective filtering. Art On 1/25/06, John Huntington wrote: > Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam? Did he harvest the names from > this FrameUsers list? > > Original Message > Subject:FrameMaker > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530 > From: Aggarwal, Dhiraj > To: XXX > > > > Hi, > > I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to > introduce ourselves to you. > > We are engaged in providing typesetting, layout and related services to > international clientele > (http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in India, we cater to both > organizations as well as individuals. > > Our range of services include, but are not limited to: > - Typesetting (FrameMaker, QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, in multiple languages) > - Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign > etc, including cross-platform) > - Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc) > - Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design) > - Desktop Publishing (DTP) > - Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc) > - e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc) > - XML Conversion > > Many companies are now outsourcing their work to India. Not only do they > achieve substantial cost savings, but the > availability of a large number of professionally trained personnel also > ensures a high quality of work. We can serve you > efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized needs. > > We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many > international organizations. For accomplishing > jobs with us, a team of highly trained and dedicated professionals work at > our state-of-the-art facilities located in New > Delhi, India. > > We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all > projects undertaken by us are completed within > the stipulated time period with complete confidentiality, accuracy, and > quality. > > For your first project you do not need to pay us a deposit. You can make the > entire payment after receiving satisfactory > delivery of service. > > If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least half, > increasing your profit margins without compromising > on the quality and turn-around time, then please do get back to us. We will > be glad to send you a most competitive business > proposal. > > Sincerely, > > Dhiraj Aggarwal > Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809 > E-mail: info at e-BookServices.net , info at e-BookServices.com > URL: http://www.e-BookServices.com > > This email has been sent expecting the information to be of use and benefit > to you. In case you do not wish to receive > further emails from us, please send us an email with `REMOVE + your email > address' in the subject line and we will remove > your email address from our database. We apologize for the inconvenience > caused to you. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Spam from India?
Hi John, Hopefully the bulk of people respond directly to you and maybe you can let Lisa (and the list?) know the results... Just to avoid a flood of email as I'm sure that you're not the only one. I did get that same email so let's hope that we can track it. In their defense, the content is pretty FM specific and they may not have bothered to look up the 'rules' of posting/harvesting. Maybe it would have been better for them to just post to the list once though instead of emailing a collection of addresses. Bernard -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Huntington Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:13 AM To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: Spam from India? Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam? Did he harvest the names from this FrameUsers list? Original Message Subject:FrameMaker Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530 From: Aggarwal, Dhiraj To: XXX
Spam from India?
Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam? Did he harvest the names from this FrameUsers list? Original Message Subject:FrameMaker Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530 From: Aggarwal, Dhiraj To: XXX Hi, I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to introduce ourselves to you. We are engaged in providing typesetting, layout and related services to international clientele (http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in India, we cater to both organizations as well as individuals. Our range of services include, but are not limited to: - Typesetting (FrameMaker, QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, in multiple languages) - Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, including cross-platform) - Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc) - Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design) - Desktop Publishing (DTP) - Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc) - e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc) - XML Conversion Many companies are now outsourcing their work to India. Not only do they achieve substantial cost savings, but the availability of a large number of professionally trained personnel also ensures a high quality of work. We can serve you efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized needs. We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many international organizations. For accomplishing jobs with us, a team of highly trained and dedicated professionals work at our state-of-the-art facilities located in New Delhi, India. We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all projects undertaken by us are completed within the stipulated time period with complete confidentiality, accuracy, and quality. For your first project you do not need to pay us a deposit. You can make the entire payment after receiving satisfactory delivery of service. If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least half, increasing your profit margins without compromising on the quality and turn-around time, then please do get back to us. We will be glad to send you a most competitive business proposal. Sincerely, Dhiraj Aggarwal Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809 E-mail: info at e-BookServices.net , info at e-BookServices.com URL: http://www.e-BookServices.com This email has been sent expecting the information to be of use and benefit to you. In case you do not wish to receive further emails from us, please send us an email with `REMOVE + your email address' in the subject line and we will remove your email address from our database. We apologize for the inconvenience caused to you.
Re: Spam from India?
I just got one of these addressed to a long-gone former employee whose mail is routed to me. This person never posted to this list. This makes it seem that perhaps the mail is being sent to addressees culled from multiple sources, such as company directories, Web sites, vendor listings, and perhaps even from results of search-engine searches. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Spam from India?
Fred Ridder wrote: That's an unrealistic attitude, John. I think not, I have been on literally 20+ lists since about 1987 and this is now the THIRD Spam message ever I have gotten from a mailing list. In each of those other cases, the member was disciplined or removed. If not, it just spirals out of control. Also, every other list (including about a dozen Yahoo Groups that I run) munges the email addresses when posted for web consumption. If this is not the case with this list, I am gone. John ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Spam from India?
Bernard Aschwanden wrote: Hi John, Hopefully the bulk of people respond directly to you and maybe you can let Lisa (and the list?) know the results... Just to avoid a flood of email as I'm sure that you're not the only one. Yep, I've already gotten about 10 messages and it's about 50/50. I personally view this as pure spam and I would think this guy should be barred from the list. This is at best really annoying and I would actually say it's unethical. I spend a lot of time working to avoid spam and if this list will allow anyone to harvest my email to send me an unsolicited message to outsource work to India, I'm going to have to (unfortunately) drop it. John ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Spam from India?
Last fall, yes. And thank you, gmail, for effective filtering. Art On 1/25/06, John Huntington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam? Did he harvest the names from > this FrameUsers list? > > Original Message > Subject:FrameMaker > Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530 > From: Aggarwal, Dhiraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: XXX > > > > Hi, > > I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to > introduce ourselves to you. > > We are engaged in providing typesetting, layout and related services to > international clientele > (http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in India, we cater to both > organizations as well as individuals. > > Our range of services include, but are not limited to: > - Typesetting (FrameMaker, QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, in multiple languages) > - Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign > etc, including cross-platform) > - Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc) > - Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design) > - Desktop Publishing (DTP) > - Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc) > - e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc) > - XML Conversion > > Many companies are now outsourcing their work to India. Not only do they > achieve substantial cost savings, but the > availability of a large number of professionally trained personnel also > ensures a high quality of work. We can serve you > efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized needs. > > We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many > international organizations. For accomplishing > jobs with us, a team of highly trained and dedicated professionals work at > our state-of-the-art facilities located in New > Delhi, India. > > We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all > projects undertaken by us are completed within > the stipulated time period with complete confidentiality, accuracy, and > quality. > > For your first project you do not need to pay us a deposit. You can make the > entire payment after receiving satisfactory > delivery of service. > > If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least half, > increasing your profit margins without compromising > on the quality and turn-around time, then please do get back to us. We will > be glad to send you a most competitive business > proposal. > > Sincerely, > > Dhiraj Aggarwal > Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809 > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] > URL: http://www.e-BookServices.com > > This email has been sent expecting the information to be of use and benefit > to you. In case you do not wish to receive > further emails from us, please send us an email with `REMOVE + your email > address' in the subject line and we will remove > your email address from our database. We apologize for the inconvenience > caused to you. > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Spam from India?
Hi John, Hopefully the bulk of people respond directly to you and maybe you can let Lisa (and the list?) know the results... Just to avoid a flood of email as I'm sure that you're not the only one. I did get that same email so let's hope that we can track it. In their defense, the content is pretty FM specific and they may not have bothered to look up the 'rules' of posting/harvesting. Maybe it would have been better for them to just post to the list once though instead of emailing a collection of addresses. Bernard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Huntington Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:13 AM To: framers@lists.FrameUsers.com Subject: Spam from India? Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam? Did he harvest the names from this FrameUsers list? Original Message Subject:FrameMaker Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530 From: Aggarwal, Dhiraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: XXX ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Spam from India?
Did anyone else get this Framemaker Spam? Did he harvest the names from this FrameUsers list? Original Message Subject:FrameMaker Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:49:58 +0530 From: Aggarwal, Dhiraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: XXX Hi, I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to introduce ourselves to you. We are engaged in providing typesetting, layout and related services to international clientele (http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in India, we cater to both organizations as well as individuals. Our range of services include, but are not limited to: - Typesetting (FrameMaker, QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, in multiple languages) - Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, including cross-platform) - Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc) - Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design) - Desktop Publishing (DTP) - Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc) - e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc) - XML Conversion Many companies are now outsourcing their work to India. Not only do they achieve substantial cost savings, but the availability of a large number of professionally trained personnel also ensures a high quality of work. We can serve you efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized needs. We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many international organizations. For accomplishing jobs with us, a team of highly trained and dedicated professionals work at our state-of-the-art facilities located in New Delhi, India. We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all projects undertaken by us are completed within the stipulated time period with complete confidentiality, accuracy, and quality. For your first project you do not need to pay us a deposit. You can make the entire payment after receiving satisfactory delivery of service. If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least half, increasing your profit margins without compromising on the quality and turn-around time, then please do get back to us. We will be glad to send you a most competitive business proposal. Sincerely, Dhiraj Aggarwal Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.e-BookServices.com This email has been sent expecting the information to be of use and benefit to you. In case you do not wish to receive further emails from us, please send us an email with `REMOVE + your email address' in the subject line and we will remove your email address from our database. We apologize for the inconvenience caused to you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
