RE: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
Jim Pinkham write: > The ALT+0151 sequence is also handy for the em-dash in Frame. We do use > and prefer the spaces on each side - and have never run into issues with > the spell-checker. I also use the ALT+0151 sequence to insert the eM-dashes - very quick and convenient in Windows. However, I prefer the look of the eM-dash without the spaces. Hence the problems with the spell-checker! I have received another e-mail suggesting that I use thin-spaces before and after the eM-dash to be able to use the spell checker ... I have not tried that yet ... Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
Jim Pinkham write: > The ALT+0151 sequence is also handy for the em-dash in Frame. We do use > and prefer the spaces on each side - and have never run into issues with > the spell-checker. I also use the ALT+0151 sequence to insert the eM-dashes - very quick and convenient in Windows. However, I prefer the look of the eM-dash without the spaces. Hence the problems with the spell-checker! I have received another e-mail suggesting that I use thin-spaces before and after the eM-dash to be able to use the spell checker ... I have not tried that yet ... Z
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
On 28/06/2010 1:58 PM, Andy Kass wrote: > > And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts > space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash > to EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any > spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM. I find Ctrl+q, shift+q just as quick to produce an em-dash as typing two hyphens, and Ctrl+q, shift+p faster than space-hyphen-space for an en-dash. But then, my pinkie is a lousy driver on the rough roads of the top row ;-) s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
The ALT+0151 sequence is also handy for the em-dash in Frame. We do use and prefer the spaces on each side - and have never run into issues with the spell-checker. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:13 PM To: Andy Kass Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ... On 28/06/2010 1:58 PM, Andy Kass wrote: > > And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts > space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash to > EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any > spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM. I find Ctrl+q, shift+q just as quick to produce an em-dash as typing two hyphens, and Ctrl+q, shift+p faster than space-hyphen-space for an en-dash. But then, my pinkie is a lousy driver on the rough roads of the top row ;-) s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
The ALT+0151 sequence is also handy for the em-dash in Frame. We do use and prefer the spaces on each side - and have never run into issues with the spell-checker. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 1:13 PM To: Andy Kass Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ... On 28/06/2010 1:58 PM, Andy Kass wrote: > > And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts > space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash to > EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any > spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM. I find Ctrl+q, shift+q just as quick to produce an em-dash as typing two hyphens, and Ctrl+q, shift+p faster than space-hyphen-space for an en-dash. But then, my pinkie is a lousy driver on the rough roads of the top row ;-) s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
On 28/06/2010 1:58 PM, Andy Kass wrote: And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash to EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM. I find Ctrl+q, shift+q just as quick to produce an em-dash as typing two hyphens, and Ctrl+q, shift+p faster than space-hyphen-space for an en-dash. But then, my pinkie is a lousy driver on the rough roads of the top row ;-) s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
Hi, I have FM 8p277 and spell checking seems to ignore the em-dashes, but upon testing, it's weirder than that. It spell checks the whole word before the em-dash, and ignores anything after it. So I see the following (and here I use the conventional two dashes for an em-dash in plain text): mitake--mistake => both words and the em-dash are highlighted by the spell-checker mistake--mitake => not caught by the spell checker In my options, the only characters I have set to ignore in words are . = and " (for code samples). Fortunately, we don't use em-dashes in our documentation (from my experience, they're not generally used in technical writing), so it's not an issue for me, but it still looks like a bug. I agree with you (and the CMS :-) that there should be no spaces--that's how I've always seen it in print. The space-EN-dash-space has a different usage: it's an alternative to a period for separating lead-ins from whatever follows. For example: Lead-in - Description. Lead-in - Description. And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash to EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM. Thanks, Andy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
Hi, I have FM 8p277 and spell checking seems to ignore the em-dashes, but upon testing, it's weirder than that. It spell checks the whole word before the em-dash, and ignores anything after it. So I see the following (and here I use the conventional two dashes for an em-dash in plain text): mitake--mistake => both words and the em-dash are highlighted by the spell-checker mistake--mitake => not caught by the spell checker In my options, the only characters I have set to ignore in words are . = and " (for code samples). Fortunately, we don't use em-dashes in our documentation (from my experience, they're not generally used in technical writing), so it's not an issue for me, but it still looks like a bug. I agree with you (and the CMS :-) that there should be no spaces--that's how I've always seen it in print. The space-EN-dash-space has a different usage: it's an alternative to a period for separating lead-ins from whatever follows. For example: Lead-in - Description. Lead-in - Description. And I do like the fact that Word automatically converts space-dash-space to space-EN-dash-space. It also converts dash-dash to EM-dash automatically when it occurs between two words without any spaces. Those are very nice shortcuts I'd love to see in FM. Thanks, Andy
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
I forgot to mention that, if you don't figure out why it's not working, you could put thin spaces around the em dash, instead of regular spaces. They don't look bad. Mike Wickham
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
I'm not seeing this in FM9, with the latest patched version. FM9 seems to be skipping the em dashes just fine. Make sure you have all the patches installed. Also click the Options button in the Spelling Checker dialog to see if you need to adjust settings there. Mine are set to the default settings. There is a Get Defaults button you can use to reset them. Mike Wickham
Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
I forgot to mention that, if you don't figure out why it's not working, you could put thin spaces around the em dash, instead of regular spaces. They don't look bad. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
I'm not seeing this in FM9, with the latest patched version. FM9 seems to be skipping the em dashes just fine. Make sure you have all the patches installed. Also click the Options button in the Spelling Checker dialog to see if you need to adjust settings there. Mine are set to the default settings. There is a Get Defaults button you can use to reset them. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
Hi, all. Something that has been bugging me for a while ... time to ask the experts here! This issue is making spell checking more tedious for some larger documents ... In my documents, I use the Chicago Manual of Style requirement for spaces next to em dashes in body text. Specifically, to *not* to use any spaces before or after the em dash (as they say, the dash is "set closed" rather than "set open"). I.e., it says that the usage should be "wordone---wordtwo" rather than "wordone---wordtwo" (where I am using "---" to represent the em dash, "" to represent a single space character, and making up word "wordone" and "wordtwo" for this contrived example). However, when spell-checking in FM (FrameMaker 9, on Windows Vista and Windows 7, fully patched), it finds occurrences of "wordone---wordtwo" as being spelled incorrectly. Even though "wordone" and "wordtwo" are both individually spelled correctly! Yet, there are no such problems with "wordone---wordtwo". These are handled perfectly well! I have not found (a) a way to prevent FM spell-checker from finding these uses, or (b) a way to make FM ignore them using the Find options. Thus, my alternatives appear to be: 1. Insert a space before and after the em dash (Yuck! not a nice look! And the Chicago Manual of Style agrees with this !) 2. Insert a space before and after, and use an en dash instead of an em dash (make sure you note the "en"!). Btw, this is what Microsoft Word does automatically if you type "wordone"wordtwo" ... it changes the to an . This is not a bad alternative, but not as nice looking---the parenthetical aside is just not as clearly demarked! 3. Use parentheses for the asides. Not as nice looking ... although I do do this in a few places for other good reasons. Any advice on how to handle this situation? What you all do for this? Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Spell checking with em dashes in text ...
Hi, all. Something that has been bugging me for a while ... time to ask the experts here! This issue is making spell checking more tedious for some larger documents ... In my documents, I use the Chicago Manual of Style requirement for spaces next to em dashes in body text. Specifically, to *not* to use any spaces before or after the em dash (as they say, the dash is "set closed" rather than "set open"). I.e., it says that the usage should be "wordone---wordtwo" rather than "wordone---wordtwo" (where I am using "---" to represent the em dash, "" to represent a single space character, and making up word "wordone" and "wordtwo" for this contrived example). However, when spell-checking in FM (FrameMaker 9, on Windows Vista and Windows 7, fully patched), it finds occurrences of "wordone---wordtwo" as being spelled incorrectly. Even though "wordone" and "wordtwo" are both individually spelled correctly! Yet, there are no such problems with "wordone---wordtwo". These are handled perfectly well! I have not found (a) a way to prevent FM spell-checker from finding these uses, or (b) a way to make FM ignore them using the Find options. Thus, my alternatives appear to be: 1. Insert a space before and after the em dash (Yuck! not a nice look! And the Chicago Manual of Style agrees with this !) 2. Insert a space before and after, and use an en dash instead of an em dash (make sure you note the "en"!). Btw, this is what Microsoft Word does automatically if you type "wordone"wordtwo" ... it changes the to an . This is not a bad alternative, but not as nice looking---the parenthetical aside is just not as clearly demarked! 3. Use parentheses for the asides. Not as nice looking ... although I do do this in a few places for other good reasons. Any advice on how to handle this situation? What you all do for this? Z
