RE: Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 15)

2006-12-15 Thread Torralba, Jing
To all who gave their ideas on Unlocking Pgf Locked, thanks. Richard Combs 
unlocked the secret! 

Jing Torralba
  


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   3. Re: Searching in text insets (Shmuel Wolfson)
   4. Difference between us and international english Framemaker
  (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA)
   5. Re: DTD graphic tool? (Wolfgang K?hn)
   6. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Phil Heron)
   7. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Gillian Flato)
   8. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Steve Rickaby)
   9. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Mark Southee)
  10. RE: Cross reference keyboard shortcut (Conole, David (SNL US))
  11. RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked" (Combs, Richard)
  12. RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked" (Steve Rickaby)
  13. RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked" (Combs, Richard)
  14. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  15. Heading rows overridden in table (Susan Nishi)
  16. RE: Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)
  (Torralba, Jing)
  17. Re: Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)
  (Peter Gold)


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:02:10 +0100
From: "Karen Mardahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hi

How can I be sure that a linked graphic is where it is supposed to be?
I just had a situation where the reviewer of my doc had trouble because the 
graphic wasn't where it was supposed to be for him.

Under Edit > Links, the particular graphic is shown in the window as

...\.vsd with Type Visio and Update Automatic

For source, it states

\\server\...\Graphics\.vsd

The path is a bit long, so I get three dots instead of the full path.
Policy is to have all graphics in a folder called Graphics, so everything looks 
great to me. I will never see a problem because I only use the one server. The 
fastest way to determine whether the location is truly correct, is to click 
Change Source and open the Look in drop-down menu. Only then can I see 
something is wrong. With 69 graphics, this procedure is a pain. Other docs have 
twice as many. The dialog box cannot be widened.

How can I easily check that locations are correct as a part of my 
preparing-for-review process? I just had a case where the graphic was recycled. 
A copy of the graphic was in the correct, new folder, but my pointer was to the 
original in another location. This could be disastrous if I made any updates to 
the graphic. I'd be updating the wrong one and not know it. During review, the 
person doing a new build of the document in FM ran into big trouble. The other 
folder I was using (unknowingly) is in Denmark. He is in California. Framemaker 
hung for ages. At least we got an error message, and I could track down the 
miscreant, but this happens at a time when time is at a premium (of course). I 
know about http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm, but I want to 
know the status before taking that step. I have FrameScript if someone thinks 
that is the route to go. A List of References doesn't work, because these are 
.vsd files imported as objects.

Thanks.

regards, Karen Mardahl


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:16:14 -0500
From: "Rick Quatro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: checking location of graphics
To: "Karen Mardahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,

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Hi Karen,

Unfortunately, FrameScript won't help because it "sees" imported OLE objects as 
if they were imported by copy. In other words, FrameScript (or the FDK) cannot 
determine the path to an OLE object.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Pu

Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 15)

2006-12-15 Thread Torralba, Jing
To all who gave their ideas on Unlocking Pgf Locked, thanks. Richard Combs 
unlocked the secret! 

Jing Torralba



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   2. Re: checking location of graphics (Rick Quatro)
   3. Re: Searching in text insets (Shmuel Wolfson)
   4. Difference between us and international english Framemaker
  (Andersen, Verner Engell VEA)
   5. Re: DTD graphic tool? (Wolfgang K?hn)
   6. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Phil Heron)
   7. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Gillian Flato)
   8. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Steve Rickaby)
   9. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (Mark Southee)
  10. RE: Cross reference keyboard shortcut (Conole, David (SNL US))
  11. RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked" (Combs, Richard)
  12. RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked" (Steve Rickaby)
  13. RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked" (Combs, Richard)
  14. RE: Difference between us and international english
  Framemaker (hedley.finger at myob.com)
  15. Heading rows overridden in table (Susan Nishi)
  16. RE: Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)
  (Torralba, Jing)
  17. Re: Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)
  (Peter Gold)


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:02:10 +0100
From: "Karen Mardahl" 
Subject: checking location of graphics
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
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Hi

How can I be sure that a linked graphic is where it is supposed to be?
I just had a situation where the reviewer of my doc had trouble because the 
graphic wasn't where it was supposed to be for him.

Under Edit > Links, the particular graphic is shown in the window as

...\.vsd with Type Visio and Update Automatic

For source, it states

\\server\...\Graphics\.vsd

The path is a bit long, so I get three dots instead of the full path.
Policy is to have all graphics in a folder called Graphics, so everything looks 
great to me. I will never see a problem because I only use the one server. The 
fastest way to determine whether the location is truly correct, is to click 
Change Source and open the Look in drop-down menu. Only then can I see 
something is wrong. With 69 graphics, this procedure is a pain. Other docs have 
twice as many. The dialog box cannot be widened.

How can I easily check that locations are correct as a part of my 
preparing-for-review process? I just had a case where the graphic was recycled. 
A copy of the graphic was in the correct, new folder, but my pointer was to the 
original in another location. This could be disastrous if I made any updates to 
the graphic. I'd be updating the wrong one and not know it. During review, the 
person doing a new build of the document in FM ran into big trouble. The other 
folder I was using (unknowingly) is in Denmark. He is in California. Framemaker 
hung for ages. At least we got an error message, and I could track down the 
miscreant, but this happens at a time when time is at a premium (of course). I 
know about http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.foster/Archive.htm, but I want to 
know the status before taking that step. I have FrameScript if someone thinks 
that is the route to go. A List of References doesn't work, because these are 
.vsd files imported as objects.

Thanks.

regards, Karen Mardahl


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:16:14 -0500
From: "Rick Quatro" 
Subject: Re: checking location of graphics
To: "Karen Mardahl" ,

Message-ID: <000b01c71f79$a67926d0$4217414a at CARMENOFFICE>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

Hi Karen,

Unfortunately, FrameScript won't help because it 

Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)

2006-12-14 Thread Peter Gold
I don't have a real clue, but I'm wondering if perhaps the status of the 
inset source file could cause this to happen. This is just a wild guess:

For example, if the source file is set to read-only, or the author 
doesn't have sufficient permission to access the file, or perhaps the 
file is in a checked-out state from a content-management system, do 
these cause the problem? We have seen that there's a problem with insets 
sometimes affecting adjacent paragraphs in the container file. Perhaps a 
combination of these and/or similar factors is involved.

Another thought: is it possible that the inset source files and/or the 
container files belong to more than one book, or more than one author, 
and there are multiple simultaneous accesses involved?

And one more: are these files on a network file server, or on a local 
drive? Does the problem occur only on server-based files, or only on 
local files, or no significant relation to either?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Torralba, Jing wrote:
> Hi Fred, 
>
> I'm so glad you brought this subject up.
>
> I found the same problem in some of the files I inherited from the
> previous staff. It's awful because the generated paragraph is sometimes
> an AppendixNum. I tried your solution but perhaps I'm missing something
> because it did not work for me. All my paratags have PgfLocked set to
> No. Can you share more details? Incidentally, this is my first time to
> work with MIFs. 
>
> Does anyone know if the auto-generated paratag after an inset still
> shows up in Frame 7? 
>   




Re: Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)

2006-12-14 Thread Peter Gold
I don't have a real clue, but I'm wondering if perhaps the status of the 
inset source file could cause this to happen. This is just a wild guess:


For example, if the source file is set to read-only, or the author 
doesn't have sufficient permission to access the file, or perhaps the 
file is in a checked-out state from a content-management system, do 
these cause the problem? We have seen that there's a problem with insets 
sometimes affecting adjacent paragraphs in the container file. Perhaps a 
combination of these and/or similar factors is involved.


Another thought: is it possible that the inset source files and/or the 
container files belong to more than one book, or more than one author, 
and there are multiple simultaneous accesses involved?


And one more: are these files on a network file server, or on a local 
drive? Does the problem occur only on server-based files, or only on 
local files, or no significant relation to either?


HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Torralba, Jing wrote:
Hi Fred, 


I'm so glad you brought this subject up.

I found the same problem in some of the files I inherited from the
previous staff. It's awful because the generated paragraph is sometimes
an AppendixNum. I tried your solution but perhaps I'm missing something
because it did not work for me. All my paratags have PgfLocked set to
No. Can you share more details? Incidentally, this is my first time to
work with MIFs. 


Does anyone know if the auto-generated paratag after an inset still
shows up in Frame 7? 
  


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Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-14 Thread Steve Rickaby
Richard

Many thanks for a clear exposition of this oh-so-irritating and confusing bug.

Am I correct in assuming that this affects only formatted insets, and not plain 
ASCII insert files? (As they contain no formatting...)

-- 
Steve



RE: Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)

2006-12-14 Thread Torralba, Jing
Hi Fred, 

I'm so glad you brought this subject up.

I found the same problem in some of the files I inherited from the
previous staff. It's awful because the generated paragraph is sometimes
an AppendixNum. I tried your solution but perhaps I'm missing something
because it did not work for me. All my paratags have PgfLocked set to
No. Can you share more details? Incidentally, this is my first time to
work with MIFs. 

Does anyone know if the auto-generated paratag after an inset still
shows up in Frame 7? 

Jing Torralba
Saratoga Systems, Inc.
(408) 558-9606



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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:07:25 -0800
From: "Fred Staal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Unlocking "Pgf Locked"
To: 
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Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Every now and then I get stuck with one of those auto-generated
paragraphs that appears after a text inset that refuses to cooperate
with being retagged for the subsequent paragraph and can't even be
deleted.  As a last resort, I recently converted a file with this
problem to a .mif and in Notepad found the offending paragraph, which
included the following notation: "Pgf Locked." When I deleted this line,
and then opened the file in FM, the paragraph tag could be deleted. 
Is there a keyboard shortcut in Framemaker for unlocking a paragraph
with this problem? (FM6, XP, etc.)

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Unlocking Pgf Locked (Framers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 14)

2006-12-14 Thread Torralba, Jing
Hi Fred, 

I'm so glad you brought this subject up.

I found the same problem in some of the files I inherited from the
previous staff. It's awful because the generated paragraph is sometimes
an AppendixNum. I tried your solution but perhaps I'm missing something
because it did not work for me. All my paratags have PgfLocked set to
No. Can you share more details? Incidentally, this is my first time to
work with MIFs. 

Does anyone know if the auto-generated paratag after an inset still
shows up in Frame 7? 

Jing Torralba
Saratoga Systems, Inc.
(408) 558-9606



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Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:07:25 -0800
From: "Fred Staal" 
Subject: Unlocking "Pgf Locked"
To: 
Message-ID:
<825CF3FE62B1D54A8D41BBE45AF941AF01E6F9BF at EX20DAV.schilling.loc>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

Every now and then I get stuck with one of those auto-generated
paragraphs that appears after a text inset that refuses to cooperate
with being retagged for the subsequent paragraph and can't even be
deleted.  As a last resort, I recently converted a file with this
problem to a .mif and in Notepad found the offending paragraph, which
included the following notation: "Pgf Locked." When I deleted this line,
and then opened the file in FM, the paragraph tag could be deleted. 
Is there a keyboard shortcut in Framemaker for unlocking a paragraph
with this problem? (FM6, XP, etc.)

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
fred.staal at schilling.com


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Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-14 Thread Combs, Richard
Steve Rickaby wrote: 

> Richard
> 
> Many thanks for a clear exposition of this oh-so-irritating 
> and confusing bug.
> 
> Am I correct in assuming that this affects only formatted 
> insets, and not plain ASCII insert files? (As they contain no 
> formatting...)

You're welcome, Steve. The only plain text insets I can think of (some
Java code examples) are followed by non-breaking spaces -- but I think
that's just habit. :-) 

I'm sure your assumption is correct -- the container can't "inherit" a
named pgf format from an inset that doesn't contain pgf format names. 

Richard


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Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-14 Thread Combs, Richard
Fred Staal wrote: 

> Every now and then I get stuck with one of those 
> auto-generated paragraphs that appears after a text inset 
> that refuses to cooperate with being retagged for the 
> subsequent paragraph and can't even be deleted.  As a last 
> resort, I recently converted a file with this problem to a 
> .mif and in Notepad found the offending paragraph, which 
> included the following notation: "Pgf Locked." When I deleted 
> this line, and then opened the file in FM, the paragraph tag 
> could be deleted. 
> Is there a keyboard shortcut in Framemaker for unlocking a 
> paragraph with this problem? (FM6, XP, etc.)

I don't understand what you did in the MIF and have never heard of
locking/unlocking pgfs, but I have some insight regarding how text
insets work that may help. There's no such thing as an "auto-generated
paragraph that appears after a text inset." There can, however, be an
undesired pgf format change. 

Do you work with View > Text Symbols turned on? You should. You can't
tell what's going on with text insets (among other things) if you don't
see the pilcrows (end-of-pgf symbols) at the end of each pgf. 

A text inset always "sits in" a container paragraph in the destination
document. The container pgf is the place that your text cursor was when
you executed the File > Import > File command to import the text inset.
If you're like most people, this was at the end of a pgf, and often it's
an otherwise empty pgf. 

If you have text symbols showing, how this works becomes obvious when
you click your text inset to select it. You'll see that the literal
"black box" of the selected text inset ends just to left of the pilcrow
(if the text inset is in an empty pgf). 

The problem with this stems from a weird FM bug: If the text inset is
the only thing in the container pgf, or if it comes at the end of the
container pgf, the container pgf assumes the formatting of the first pgf
in the text inset. This can cause some serious grief if, for instance,
that first pgf is a 24-point heading.

There's an easy solution: Don't let your text insets sit at the end of a
paragraph (adjacent to the pilcrow). Make sure there is something --
anything -- to the right of the cursor before you import the text inset.
I use non-breaking spaces so that I can see the symbol (I always work
with text symbols displayed). 

For existing text insets, just insert something -- anything -- between
the end of the text inset and the end of the container pgf. Then you can
change the container pgf's format, and the change will stick. 

HTH! 
Richard


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RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-14 Thread Combs, Richard
Steve Rickaby wrote: 
 
> Richard
> 
> Many thanks for a clear exposition of this oh-so-irritating 
> and confusing bug.
> 
> Am I correct in assuming that this affects only formatted 
> insets, and not plain ASCII insert files? (As they contain no 
> formatting...)

You're welcome, Steve. The only plain text insets I can think of (some
Java code examples) are followed by non-breaking spaces -- but I think
that's just habit. :-) 

I'm sure your assumption is correct -- the container can't "inherit" a
named pgf format from an inset that doesn't contain pgf format names. 

Richard


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RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-14 Thread Steve Rickaby
Richard

Many thanks for a clear exposition of this oh-so-irritating and confusing bug.

Am I correct in assuming that this affects only formatted insets, and not plain 
ASCII insert files? (As they contain no formatting...)

-- 
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RE: Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-14 Thread Combs, Richard
Fred Staal wrote: 
 
> Every now and then I get stuck with one of those 
> auto-generated paragraphs that appears after a text inset 
> that refuses to cooperate with being retagged for the 
> subsequent paragraph and can't even be deleted.  As a last 
> resort, I recently converted a file with this problem to a 
> .mif and in Notepad found the offending paragraph, which 
> included the following notation: "Pgf Locked." When I deleted 
> this line, and then opened the file in FM, the paragraph tag 
> could be deleted. 
> Is there a keyboard shortcut in Framemaker for unlocking a 
> paragraph with this problem? (FM6, XP, etc.)

I don't understand what you did in the MIF and have never heard of
locking/unlocking pgfs, but I have some insight regarding how text
insets work that may help. There's no such thing as an "auto-generated
paragraph that appears after a text inset." There can, however, be an
undesired pgf format change. 

Do you work with View > Text Symbols turned on? You should. You can't
tell what's going on with text insets (among other things) if you don't
see the pilcrows (end-of-pgf symbols) at the end of each pgf. 

A text inset always "sits in" a container paragraph in the destination
document. The container pgf is the place that your text cursor was when
you executed the File > Import > File command to import the text inset.
If you're like most people, this was at the end of a pgf, and often it's
an otherwise empty pgf. 

If you have text symbols showing, how this works becomes obvious when
you click your text inset to select it. You'll see that the literal
"black box" of the selected text inset ends just to left of the pilcrow
(if the text inset is in an empty pgf). 

The problem with this stems from a weird FM bug: If the text inset is
the only thing in the container pgf, or if it comes at the end of the
container pgf, the container pgf assumes the formatting of the first pgf
in the text inset. This can cause some serious grief if, for instance,
that first pgf is a 24-point heading.

There's an easy solution: Don't let your text insets sit at the end of a
paragraph (adjacent to the pilcrow). Make sure there is something --
anything -- to the right of the cursor before you import the text inset.
I use non-breaking spaces so that I can see the symbol (I always work
with text symbols displayed). 

For existing text insets, just insert something -- anything -- between
the end of the text inset and the end of the container pgf. Then you can
change the container pgf's format, and the change will stick. 

HTH! 
Richard


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Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-13 Thread Fred Staal
Every now and then I get stuck with one of those auto-generated
paragraphs that appears after a text inset that refuses to cooperate
with being retagged for the subsequent paragraph and can't even be
deleted.  As a last resort, I recently converted a file with this
problem to a .mif and in Notepad found the offending paragraph, which
included the following notation: "Pgf Locked." When I deleted this line,
and then opened the file in FM, the paragraph tag could be deleted. 
Is there a keyboard shortcut in Framemaker for unlocking a paragraph
with this problem? (FM6, XP, etc.)

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
fred.staal at schilling.com



Unlocking "Pgf Locked"

2006-12-13 Thread Fred Staal
Every now and then I get stuck with one of those auto-generated
paragraphs that appears after a text inset that refuses to cooperate
with being retagged for the subsequent paragraph and can't even be
deleted.  As a last resort, I recently converted a file with this
problem to a .mif and in Notepad found the offending paragraph, which
included the following notation: "Pgf Locked." When I deleted this line,
and then opened the file in FM, the paragraph tag could be deleted. 
Is there a keyboard shortcut in Framemaker for unlocking a paragraph
with this problem? (FM6, XP, etc.)

Fred Staal
Supervisor, Technical Publications
Schilling Robotics, LLC
Phone: (530) 753-6718 x155
Fax: (530) 753-8092
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