FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
I agree, I agree, I agree with everyone's comments. When I upgraded to Frame 9 from 7 (I think) I was so disappointed in the gray color scheme and it was so hard from my eyes to read. I even asked this forum if anyone knew a way to change it. Now after using 9 for a while, my second complaint is the small menu bar. I drag windows around between multiple monitors and if I am not real careful in placement of the cursor it will open a menu, not let me grab, drag and drop. It's the only program I have problems with so I know it's not "user error". Lou Martindale Technical Writer/Web Master/Marketing Design PdMA Corporation - www.pdma.com lou at pdma.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:57 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as lou at pdma.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lou%40pdma.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message is intended for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by unauthorized individuals or entities is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you.
FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
I fear I have some "artsy/marketsy" leanings myself, but I quite agree that FM -- and Illustrator, for that matter -- would be better off without the gray. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:04 PM To: Stuart Rogers; framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com Subject: RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] Totally, TOTALLY agreed! I live with it, but detest it. :( Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris. net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
I agree, I agree, I agree with everyone's comments. When I upgraded to Frame 9 from 7 (I think) I was so disappointed in the gray color scheme and it was so hard from my eyes to read. I even asked this forum if anyone knew a way to change it. Now after using 9 for a while, my second complaint is the small menu bar. I drag windows around between multiple monitors and if I am not real careful in placement of the cursor it will open a menu, not let me grab, drag and drop. It's the only program I have problems with so I know it's not "user error". Lou Martindale Technical Writer/Web Master/Marketing Design PdMA Corporation - www.pdma.com l...@pdma.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:57 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as l...@pdma.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lou%40pdma.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message is intended for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by unauthorized individuals or entities is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Windows 7 - Snap
Snap works for me. I haven't tried all the included applications, but it worked on both the applications from TCS3 and Design Premium CS5. Of course, YMMV. -- John N. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mkopen Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:05 AM To: Subject: Windows 7 - Snap Dear all, Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in Windowese. AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the programs that are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will allow that much usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret switch to turn this back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for selecting windows for side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now gone from Win 7). And what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have installed yet. Have they come to their senses? Cheers, Mike -- London, ON ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
Stuart Rogers wrote: > Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was > recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, > monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS > IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. Reposting a message I sent to the list last March: - Check out Klaus Daube's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9 (http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html). It's free, but requires the $25 MicroType ToolbarPlus Express (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html), which I highly recommend. I'm still using FM7.2 for production work and haven't had a chance to try Klaus's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9, but it looks like it will help -- at least, it restores colors to the icons, which strikes me as a big improvement. - Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
Stuart Rogers wrote: > Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was > recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, > monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS > IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. Reposting a message I sent to the list last March: - Check out Klaus Daube's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9 (http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html). It's free, but requires the $25 MicroType ToolbarPlus Express (http://www.microtype.com/ToolbarPlus.html), which I highly recommend. I'm still using FM7.2 for production work and haven't had a chance to try Klaus's Enhanced Toolbar for FM9, but it looks like it will help -- at least, it restores colors to the icons, which strikes me as a big improvement. - Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 --
RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Totally, TOTALLY agreed! I live with it, but detest it. :( I agree as well; but these days it's easy to get seduced -- it's one downside of 16 million+ color, 1920x1280 displays. Another downside includes the well-intentioned GUI designers and marketeers who have never "lived" the task at hand. They might think they understand the task from their outside view, but they've never actually *worked* the task from the inside to any depth of time or experience. I was doing some design work on another SW product (non-Frame related database product, sorry!) and was thinking, "h, this looks 'nice,'" and I appreciated the way "themes" and "color schemes" could be managed during development. But once past initial graphical design phase and the more I started working with actual data in this environment, the more I started to dislike the graphical component because somehow, the presentation of data was losing something. I have since chucked most of the "pretty" and "cool" in favor of data "intelligibility". To paraphrase Stuart, the GUI should fit the application and content; it should never, ever distract from the task at hand. YMMV. Frank Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) fra...@fsatools.com <mailto:fra...@fsatools.com> TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 http://www.fsatools.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as fra...@fsatools.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/franks%40fsatools.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
I fear I have some "artsy/marketsy" leanings myself, but I quite agree that FM -- and Illustrator, for that matter -- would be better off without the gray. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:04 PM To: Stuart Rogers; framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com Subject: RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] Totally, TOTALLY agreed! I live with it, but detest it. :( Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris. net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > Totally, TOTALLY agreed! > > I live with it, but detest it. :( I agree as well; but these days it's easy to get seduced -- it's one downside of 16 million+ color, 1920x1280 displays. Another downside includes the well-intentioned GUI designers and marketeers who have never "lived" the task at hand. They might think they understand the task from their outside view, but they've never actually *worked* the task from the inside to any depth of time or experience. I was doing some design work on another SW product (non-Frame related database product, sorry!) and was thinking, "h, this looks 'nice,'" and I appreciated the way "themes" and "color schemes" could be managed during development. But once past initial graphical design phase and the more I started working with actual data in this environment, the more I started to dislike the graphical component because somehow, the presentation of data was losing something. I have since chucked most of the "pretty" and "cool" in favor of data "intelligibility". To paraphrase Stuart, the GUI should fit the application and content; it should never, ever distract from the task at hand. YMMV. Frank Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r) franks at fsatools.com <mailto:franks at fsatools.com> TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada): 800-567-6421 USA Voice: 360-892-3970 http://www.fsatools.com > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com > Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] > > On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: > > the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI > > > > Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was > recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome > GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It > PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. > > There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs > like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the > working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in > the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of > eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is > misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. > > Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe > products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry > Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color > that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing > strategy for an awfully long time. > > I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers > (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on > this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. > Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set > them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. > > The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. > > > > Thanks, > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 > Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as franks at fsatools.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/franks%40fsatools.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
Windows 7 - Snap
Snap works for me. I haven't tried all the included applications, but it worked on both the applications from TCS3 and Design Premium CS5. Of course, YMMV. -- John N. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of mkopen Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:05 AM To: Subject: Windows 7 - Snap Dear all, Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in Windowese. AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the programs that are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will allow that much usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret switch to turn this back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for selecting windows for side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now gone from Win 7). And what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have installed yet. Have they come to their senses? Cheers, Mike -- London, ON
RE: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
Totally, TOTALLY agreed! I live with it, but detest it. :( Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; kve...@adobe.com Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as syed.hos...@aeris.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Windows 7 - Snap
Dear all, Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in Windowese. AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the programs that are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will allow that much usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret switch to turn this back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for selecting windows for side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now gone from Win 7). And what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have installed yet. Have they come to their senses? Cheers, Mike -- London, ON
FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
Totally, TOTALLY agreed! I live with it, but detest it. :( Z -Original Message- From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 7:57 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; kverma at adobe.com Subject: FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap] On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as Syed.Hosain at aeris.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/syed.hosain%40aeris.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM grey GUI [WAS: Windows 7 - Snap]
On 03/02/2011 10:04 AM, mkopen wrote: the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI Bang on, Mike. I'm also addressing this message to Kapil Verma, who was recently introduced as FM's product manager. The low-contrast, monochrome GUI in FM 9 is not just butt-ugly, it's HARD TO USE. It GETS IN THE WAY. It PREVENTS ME FROM EASILY ACHIEVING MY GOALS. There may be a valid argument for low-contrast grey interfaces in programs like Illustrator and Photoshop, where the user's perception of colours in the working document could be adversely influenced by colours and contrasts in the GUI. But FM is NOT a graphics design program. The precaution of eliminating colour and contrast in the GUI, if that's what it is, is misplaced, unjustified, and highly counterproductive. Or if it's a marketing decision, originating in the "imperative" that Adobe products must all look the same to protect "the brand," remember that Henry Ford's user-defying mantra, "Any customer can have a car painted any color that he wants so long as it is black" has been discredited as a marketing strategy for an awfully long time. I strongly recommend, Kapil, that you call together the graphic designers (and marketing "branders") who have obviously had overwhelming influence on this GUI, thank them for their efforts, and politely show them the door. Then get some USER INTERACTION experts and USABILITY experts on board and set them to undoing the damage that the artsy/marketsy folks have inflicted. The world (of technical writing) would be a better place. Thanks, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Windows 7 - Snap
Dear all, Windows 7 has this fairly useful windows sizing capability, 'Snap' in Windowese. AFAIK it works with Acrobat 9, Frame 8 and earlier; none of the programs that are clad in the new grey Stalin gothic, I mean, Adobe GUI, will allow that much usefulness, including Frame 9. Does anybody know of a secret switch to turn this back on? (BTW, I preferred the Ctrl-click option for selecting windows for side-by-side display in Win 2K to Vista, but that's now gone from Win 7). And what about Frame X and Acrobat 10, which I don't have installed yet. Have they come to their senses? Cheers, Mike -- London, ON ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
