Re: batch convert to MIF
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:18:22 +0300, Oleg A. Paraschenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is very interesting. I think that reverse enginieering of binary formats is quite a common practice. At least, I heard that first version of MS Word read Word Perfect files, MS Excel -- Lotus files, etc. Um, that was before DMCA was enacted. And I was one of the chanting demonstrators outside Adobe's San Jose HQ, who convinced them to stop persecuting Dmitri. ;-) Got the t-shirt to prove it (it was only given to demonstrators). But for Frame, it's way less interesting, because there really isn't anything in the .fm that's not in MIF, except for trouble. MIF is guaranteed back-compatible; .fm is guaranteed to change with every version, and is never back compatible. Using MIF is a no-brainer. We've only had one customer who was getting .fm files from a vendor and didn't have FM themselves; we told them to buy a copy. g They could afford it; they were a state government agency. You might think running in a build environment would be a reason. But then look at our free runfm utility, which does that job using COM to run a copy of Frame remotely. I don't see any other need for processing .fm files... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: batch convert to MIF
Hi Jeremy, On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:52:16 -0800 Jeremy H. Griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:24:32 -0500, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Thanks, Art! The short answer is No. You cannot convert Frame .fm files to .mif *without* running FrameMaker. It would be a violation of the DMCA to do so, since .fm is a proprietary binary format you'd have to reverse-engineer. Don't do it. ;-) The question is very interesting. I think that reverse enginieering of binary formats is quite a common practice. At least, I heard that first version of MS Word read Word Perfect files, MS Excel -- Lotus files, etc. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.omsys.com/ -- Oleg Paraschenko olpa@ http://bitplant.de/ - IT Services company New! The Structure View tree helper: http://datahansa.com/th/ http://uucode.com/blog/ Generative Programming, XML, TeX, Scheme ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
batch convert to MIF
Hi Jeremy, On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 12:52:16 -0800 "Jeremy H. Griffith" wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:24:32 -0500, Art Campbell > wrote: > > >If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If > >anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... > > Thanks, Art! The short answer is "No". You cannot convert > Frame .fm files to .mif *without* running FrameMaker. It > would be a violation of the DMCA to do so, since .fm is a > proprietary binary format you'd have to reverse-engineer. > Don't do it. ;-) The question is very interesting. I think that reverse enginieering of binary formats is quite a common practice. At least, I heard that first version of MS Word read Word Perfect files, MS Excel -- Lotus files, etc. > > -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. > http://www.omsys.com/ -- Oleg Paraschenko olpa@ http://bitplant.de/ - IT Services company New! The Structure View tree helper: http://datahansa.com/th/ http://uucode.com/blog/ Generative Programming, XML, TeX, Scheme
batch convert to MIF
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:18:22 +0300, "Oleg A. Paraschenko" wrote: > The question is very interesting. I think that reverse enginieering of >binary formats is quite a common practice. At least, I heard that first >version of MS Word read Word Perfect files, MS Excel -- Lotus files, etc. Um, that was before DMCA was enacted. And I was one of the chanting demonstrators outside Adobe's San Jose HQ, who convinced them to stop persecuting Dmitri. ;-) Got the t-shirt to prove it (it was only given to demonstrators). But for Frame, it's way less interesting, because there really isn't anything in the .fm that's not in MIF, except for trouble. MIF is guaranteed back-compatible; .fm is guaranteed to change with every version, and is never back compatible. Using MIF is a no-brainer. We've only had one customer who was getting .fm files from a vendor and didn't have FM themselves; we told them to buy a copy. They could afford it; they were a state government agency. You might think running in a build environment would be a reason. But then look at our free runfm utility, which does that job using COM to run a copy of Frame remotely. I don't see any other need for processing .fm files... -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Re: batch convert to MIF
If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Art On 1/26/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be running? I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to be available. Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] DTP and XML Management Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 http://www.scriptware.nl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
batch convert to MIF
Hi all, would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be running? I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to be available. Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl DTP and XML Management Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 http://www.scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl
batch convert to MIF
If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Art On 1/26/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) wrote: > Hi all, > > would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files > (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be > running? > > I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to > be available. > > > Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, > > Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl > DTP and XML Management > > Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl > tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 > fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 > http://www.scriptware.nl > info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
