Re: hypertext marker location in generated index
Hello Shlomo, That's what it was! There was a character format in front of the $pagenum building block on the reference page, and it served no purpose (applying a font that should have been specified in the IndexIX paragraph format to start with). Now my page numbers and the line of dots leading to the first one are clickable at last. This feels much better, thank you very much. However I notice that the index terms themselves are still not clickable, which seems to indicate that the active area only expands to the right of the hypertext marker after all -- unless I missed something else. Thank you again. :) Suzanne On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Shlomo Perets shlo...@microtype.com wrote: Active areas expand on both sides of the marker, until there is (a) a change in character properties, or (b) beginning or end of paragraph are met, or (c) another hypertext marker is found -- whatever comes first. If there is no special formatting of page numbers, the active area includes the entire page number, as a minimum. First page number in each entry will also make the index term itself clickable. [...] If the active area matches the width of the hypertext marker itself (very small), this indicates that there are some additional character properties applied. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
hypertext marker location in generated index
Suzanne, You wrote: >I'm editing a manual in unstructured FM 7.2 and until recently I was >under the impression that someone forgot to set up the index to make >its entries clickable. > >however I came to realize that, in the generated TOC, the hypertext >markers are located at the start of each line, and you can click >anywhere on the line to access the related content, whereas, in the >generated index, the markers appear *after* the associated entry, and >the clickable area does exist but it is very small (it is limited to >the exact location of the marker). ... When FrameMaker creates hypertext markers in indexes, it places the markers in front of each page number. Active areas expand on both sides of the marker, until there is (a) a change in character properties, or (b) beginning or end of paragraph are met, or (c) another hypertext marker is found -- whatever comes first. If there is no special formatting of page numbers, the active area includes the entire page number, as a minimum. First page number in each entry will also make the index term itself clickable. If you want the index page number to look different (eg blue), modify the paragraph properties of the IndexIX pgf (<$pagenum> in the Index specification in the reference page) using the paragraph designer. You may also add a character format in front of the <$pagenum> building block. If the active area matches the width of the hypertext marker itself (very small), this indicates that there are some additional character properties applied. Other than removing the additional character properties, a FrameScript can be used to duplicate the unique hypertext marker in each area with distinct formatting. While this is typically useful in TOC (where entries may retrieve formatting from source paragraphs, such as superscript or font changes), it should not be needed in indexes. Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers "Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions (Including an "Indexing Essentials" session, February 12)
hypertext marker location in generated index
Hello Shlomo, That's what it was! There was a character format in front of the <$pagenum> building block on the reference page, and it served no purpose (applying a font that should have been specified in the IndexIX paragraph format to start with). Now my page numbers and the line of dots leading to the first one are clickable at last. This feels much better, thank you very much. However I notice that the index terms themselves are still not clickable, which seems to indicate that the active area only expands to the right of the hypertext marker after all -- unless I missed something else. Thank you again. :) Suzanne On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Shlomo Perets wrote: > Active areas expand on both sides of the marker, until there is > (a) a change in character properties, or (b) beginning or end of > paragraph are met, or (c) another hypertext marker is found -- > whatever comes first. > > If there is no special formatting of page numbers, the active > area includes the entire page number, as a minimum. First page > number in each entry will also make the index term itself > clickable. [...] > If the active area matches the width of the hypertext marker > itself (very small), this indicates that there are some > additional character properties applied.
hypertext marker location in generated index
hi! I'm editing a manual in unstructured FM 7.2 and until recently I was under the impression that someone forgot to set up the index to make its entries clickable. however I came to realize that, in the generated TOC, the hypertext markers are located at the start of each line, and you can click anywhere on the line to access the related content, whereas, in the generated index, the markers appear *after* the associated entry, and the clickable area does exist but it is very small (it is limited to the exact location of the marker). e.g. in the TOC: TFeatures and Benefits..2 vs. in the IX BenefitsT.2 (where T is the marker, stands for a tab) when there are more pages, there is a marker before each subsequent page number, but again the clickable area is very limited: only the space just before the page number is clickable... e.g. BenefitsT.2,T9,T101 (this part is more mysterious to me -- I expected that the whole page number would be clickable since the marker is located *before* the number.) Is this normal? Would someone know of a solution? Would using IXGen or some other indexing tool help? (I scoured the FM online help to no avail... Google wasn't helpful either, and neither was Adobe's knowledge base -- I must be missing something...) MTIA Suzanne Bolduc ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: hypertext marker location in generated index
Suzanne, You wrote: I'm editing a manual in unstructured FM 7.2 and until recently I was under the impression that someone forgot to set up the index to make its entries clickable. however I came to realize that, in the generated TOC, the hypertext markers are located at the start of each line, and you can click anywhere on the line to access the related content, whereas, in the generated index, the markers appear *after* the associated entry, and the clickable area does exist but it is very small (it is limited to the exact location of the marker). ... When FrameMaker creates hypertext markers in indexes, it places the markers in front of each page number. Active areas expand on both sides of the marker, until there is (a) a change in character properties, or (b) beginning or end of paragraph are met, or (c) another hypertext marker is found -- whatever comes first. If there is no special formatting of page numbers, the active area includes the entire page number, as a minimum. First page number in each entry will also make the index term itself clickable. If you want the index page number to look different (eg blue), modify the paragraph properties of the IndexIX pgf ($pagenum in the Index specification in the reference page) using the paragraph designer. You may also add a character format in front of the $pagenum building block. If the active area matches the width of the hypertext marker itself (very small), this indicates that there are some additional character properties applied. Other than removing the additional character properties, a FrameScript can be used to duplicate the unique hypertext marker in each area with distinct formatting. While this is typically useful in TOC (where entries may retrieve formatting from source paragraphs, such as superscript or font changes), it should not be needed in indexes. Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers Improve Your FrameMaker Skills live web-based training sessions (Including an Indexing Essentials session, February 12) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
hypertext marker location in generated index
hi! I'm editing a manual in unstructured FM 7.2 and until recently I was under the impression that someone forgot to set up the index to make its entries clickable. however I came to realize that, in the generated TOC, the hypertext markers are located at the start of each line, and you can click anywhere on the line to access the related content, whereas, in the generated index, the markers appear *after* the associated entry, and the clickable area does exist but it is very small (it is limited to the exact location of the marker). e.g. in the TOC: TFeatures and Benefits>..2 vs. in the IX BenefitsT>.2 (where T is the marker, > stands for a tab) when there are more pages, there is a marker before each subsequent page number, but again the clickable area is very limited: only the space just before the page number is clickable... e.g. BenefitsT>.2,T>9,T>101 (this part is more mysterious to me -- I expected that the whole page number would be clickable since the marker is located *before* the number.) Is this normal? Would someone know of a solution? Would using IXGen or some other indexing tool help? (I scoured the FM online help to no avail... Google wasn't helpful either, and neither was Adobe's knowledge base -- I must be missing something...) MTIA Suzanne Bolduc
