long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-17 Thread Dave Reynolds
I started "hacking" the dialog boxes a few years back in Frame 6. On 
looking at my records, it looks like I resized the following dialogs in 
Frame 6:

Edit User Variable
Edit Cross Reference
Resize Selected Columns (in tables)
Cross Reference.

The only problem I had with the edited fmdlg.dll and Frame 6 was when 
opening a file with a missing referenced graphic.  As soon as I selected 
to skip the missing graphic, Frame 6 crashed.  Every time.  To get 
around this I kept the original dll, renamed as fmdlg.dll.orig.  If I 
had to open a Frame file with missing graphics, I had to shut Frame down 
and restore the original dll file until I could switch back to the 
modified one (once you get used to the bigger dialogs, you don't want to 
go back to the originals!).

We upgraded to Frame 8 (on XP) earlier this year.  I did the Frame 8 
testing for our Tech Pubs group to find out if there were going to be 
any problems with our Frame 6 templates, plug-ins etc.  I did find that 
I couldn't use the modified dll from my Frame 6 installation.  At first 
I just copied it from the Frame 6 folder to the Frame 8 folder.  It 
appeared to work normally, but then I found that Frame would crash when 
I updated a book.  I had to edit the dll that came with Frame 8.

I have edited the following dialogs in Frame 8:

Variable
Edit User Variable
Update Book
Cross Reference
Edit Cross Reference Format

So far I haven't had any problems with Frame 8 crashing while using the 
modified dll file, even with missing referenced graphics. Maybe it 
depends on which dialogs you have modified.  I'm using Frame 8.0p277 on 
Win XP SP2.

Cheers

Dave

Laurie Little wrote, on 12/11/2008 4:56 a.m.:
> We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
> to facilitate auto-population of  online help).
>
> Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
> in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
> same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.
>
> We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
> distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
> project) changing the structure of the H1s.
>
> Does anyone have any other ideas?
> Thanks,
>
> 
> Laurie Little
> Words That Work
> 905-947-1557
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Re: long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-16 Thread Dave Reynolds
I started hacking the dialog boxes a few years back in Frame 6. On 
looking at my records, it looks like I resized the following dialogs in 
Frame 6:

Edit User Variable
Edit Cross Reference
Resize Selected Columns (in tables)
Cross Reference.

The only problem I had with the edited fmdlg.dll and Frame 6 was when 
opening a file with a missing referenced graphic.  As soon as I selected 
to skip the missing graphic, Frame 6 crashed.  Every time.  To get 
around this I kept the original dll, renamed as fmdlg.dll.orig.  If I 
had to open a Frame file with missing graphics, I had to shut Frame down 
and restore the original dll file until I could switch back to the 
modified one (once you get used to the bigger dialogs, you don't want to 
go back to the originals!).

We upgraded to Frame 8 (on XP) earlier this year.  I did the Frame 8 
testing for our Tech Pubs group to find out if there were going to be 
any problems with our Frame 6 templates, plug-ins etc.  I did find that 
I couldn't use the modified dll from my Frame 6 installation.  At first 
I just copied it from the Frame 6 folder to the Frame 8 folder.  It 
appeared to work normally, but then I found that Frame would crash when 
I updated a book.  I had to edit the dll that came with Frame 8.

I have edited the following dialogs in Frame 8:

Variable
Edit User Variable
Update Book
Cross Reference
Edit Cross Reference Format

So far I haven't had any problems with Frame 8 crashing while using the 
modified dll file, even with missing referenced graphics. Maybe it 
depends on which dialogs you have modified.  I'm using Frame 8.0p277 on 
Win XP SP2.

Cheers

Dave

Laurie Little wrote, on 12/11/2008 4:56 a.m.:
 We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
 to facilitate auto-population of  online help).

 Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
 in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
 same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.

 We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
 distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
 project) changing the structure of the H1s.

 Does anyone have any other ideas?
 Thanks,

 
 Laurie Little
 Words That Work
 905-947-1557

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RE: long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-13 Thread tom . kohn
With my installation of Frame 8.0p277, I tried using the modified module 
fmdlg.dll from http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html#4 without success:

FM 8 crashes --consistently-- when I select an image (imported by 
cross-reference into a graphics frame), and select Graphics  Object 
Properties. 

I did use several other dialogs that were indeed made wider to accomodate 
longer file names. However, the consistent crashes were unacceptable, and 
I reverted to the original fmdlg.dll. Here's hoping that a version 8 dll 
comes soon. I don't trust my abilities in using Resouce Hacker or similar 
tools, though the advice to make a copy of fmdlg.dll before making edits 
should avoid catastrophe...

Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering 
Services | 
Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | 
+01 937-259-3784 Fax | 
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:26:28 -0500
From: Laurie Little [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: long target names in xref dialog
To: 'Stuart Rogers' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=Windows-1252

Thanks Stuart - I've received two offline suggestions along these lines 
and
am looking at it right now!
Thanks for all the on- and off-line responses!
Laurie


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:18 PM
To: Laurie Little
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: long target names in xref dialog


Laurie Little wrote:
 We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so 
as
 to facilitate auto-population of  online help).

 Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets 
listed
 in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start 
the
 same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.

 We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually 
creating
 distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for 
this
 project) changing the structure of the H1s.

 Does anyone have any other ideas?
 Thanks,


You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/
to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.

Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files  Adobe  Framemaker 
fminit before you mess with it though!

HTH,
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Re: long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-13 Thread Lin Sims
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With my installation of Frame 8.0p277, I tried using the modified module
 fmdlg.dll from http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html#4 without success:

 FM 8 crashes --consistently-- when I select an image (imported by
 cross-reference into a graphics frame), and select Graphics  Object
 Properties.

 I did use several other dialogs that were indeed made wider to accomodate
 longer file names. However, the consistent crashes were unacceptable, and
 I reverted to the original fmdlg.dll. Here's hoping that a version 8 dll
 comes soon. I don't trust my abilities in using Resouce Hacker or similar
 tools, though the advice to make a copy of fmdlg.dll before making edits
 should avoid catastrophe...

Oo, that's good to know. I'm going to take that out right now!

Thanks. I hadn't been playing with any graphics while this has been
installed, so hadn't yet run into the issue.

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long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-13 Thread tom.k...@kodak.com
With my installation of Frame 8.0p277, I tried using the modified module 
fmdlg.dll from http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html#4 without success:

FM 8 crashes --consistently-- when I select an image (imported by 
cross-reference into a graphics frame), and select Graphics > Object 
Properties. 

I did use several other dialogs that were indeed made wider to accomodate 
longer file names. However, the consistent crashes were unacceptable, and 
I reverted to the original fmdlg.dll. Here's hoping that a version 8 dll 
comes soon. I don't trust my abilities in using Resouce Hacker or similar 
tools, though the advice to make a copy of fmdlg.dll before making edits 
should avoid catastrophe...

Thomas G (Tom) Kohn | Technical Editor | GCG WW Versamark Engineering 
Services | 
Eastman Kodak Company | 3000 Research Blvd | Dayton, OH 45420-4003 | 
tom.kohn at kodak.com | +01 937-259-3210 Office | +01 937-271-1484 Mobile | 
+01 937-259-3784 Fax | 
www.graphics.kodak.com 


Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:26:28 -0500
From: "Laurie Little" <llit...@words-tw.com>
Subject: RE: long target names in xref dialog
To: "'Stuart Rogers'" 
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Message-ID: <061B2C1FA3F941DDA5143147615AC948 at wordstw.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="Windows-1252"

Thanks Stuart - I've received two offline suggestions along these lines 
and
am looking at it right now!
Thanks for all the on- and off-line responses!
Laurie


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:18 PM
To: Laurie Little
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: long target names in xref dialog


Laurie Little wrote:
> We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so 
as
> to facilitate auto-population of  online help).
>
> Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets 
listed
> in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start 
the
> same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.
>
> We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually 
creating
> distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for 
this
> project) changing the structure of the H1s.
>
> Does anyone have any other ideas?
> Thanks,
>

You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/
to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.

Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files > Adobe > Framemaker >
fminit before you mess with it though!

HTH,


long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-13 Thread Lin Sims
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM,   wrote:
> With my installation of Frame 8.0p277, I tried using the modified module
> fmdlg.dll from http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html#4 without success:
>
> FM 8 crashes --consistently-- when I select an image (imported by
> cross-reference into a graphics frame), and select Graphics > Object
> Properties.
>
> I did use several other dialogs that were indeed made wider to accomodate
> longer file names. However, the consistent crashes were unacceptable, and
> I reverted to the original fmdlg.dll. Here's hoping that a version 8 dll
> comes soon. I don't trust my abilities in using Resouce Hacker or similar
> tools, though the advice to make a copy of fmdlg.dll before making edits
> should avoid catastrophe...

Oo, that's good to know. I'm going to take that out right now!

Thanks. I hadn't been playing with any graphics while this has been
installed, so hadn't yet run into the issue.

-- 
Lin Sims


RE: long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-12 Thread Laurie Little
Thanks Stuart - I've received two offline suggestions along these lines and
am looking at it right now!
Thanks for all the on- and off-line responses!
Laurie


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:18 PM
To: Laurie Little
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: long target names in xref dialog


Laurie Little wrote:
 We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so
as
 to facilitate auto-population of  online help).

 Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets
listed
 in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
 same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.

 We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
 distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
 project) changing the structure of the H1s.

 Does anyone have any other ideas?
 Thanks,


You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/
to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.

Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files  Adobe  Framemaker 
fminit before you mess with it though!

HTH,

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-12 Thread Dave Reynolds
I have used Resource Hacker with Frame 6 and 8 to resize various dialog 
boxes, including the cross reference dialog.  It's a very useful tool. 
And, yes, back up the fmdlg.dll before messing with it.  Just in case!  
Let me know if you need any help with this.

Cheers

Dave


Stuart Rogers wrote, on 12/11/2008 8:18 a.m.:
> Laurie Little wrote:
>   
>> We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
>> to facilitate auto-population of  online help).
>>
>> Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
>> in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
>> same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.
>>
>> We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
>> distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
>> project) changing the structure of the H1s.
>>
>> Does anyone have any other ideas?
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 
>
> You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/ 
> to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.
>
> Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files > Adobe > Framemaker > 
> fminit before you mess with it though!
>
> HTH,
>
>   

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Re: long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Stuart Rogers
Laurie Little wrote:
 We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
 to facilitate auto-population of  online help).
 
 Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
 in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
 same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.
 
 We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
 distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
 project) changing the structure of the H1s.
 
 Does anyone have any other ideas?
 Thanks,
 

You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/ 
to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.

Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files  Adobe  Framemaker  
fminit before you mess with it though!

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Laurie Little
We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
to facilitate auto-population of  online help).

Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.

We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
project) changing the structure of the H1s.

Does anyone have any other ideas?
Thanks,


Laurie Little
Words That Work
905-947-1557

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Re: long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Lin Sims
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Laurie Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
 to facilitate auto-population of  online help).

 Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
 in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
 same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.

 We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
 distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
 project) changing the structure of the H1s.

 Does anyone have any other ideas?
 Thanks,

Someone has a free plugin that will modify the size of a lot of the
dialogue boxes in Frame. It's listed as being good through about 7.1
or 7.2, but I think it'll work up to 8 (I'm trying it out now, in
fact).

http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html



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Re: long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Dave Reynolds
I have used Resource Hacker with Frame 6 and 8 to resize various dialog 
boxes, including the cross reference dialog.  It's a very useful tool. 
And, yes, back up the fmdlg.dll before messing with it.  Just in case!  
Let me know if you need any help with this.

Cheers

Dave


Stuart Rogers wrote, on 12/11/2008 8:18 a.m.:
 Laurie Little wrote:
   
 We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
 to facilitate auto-population of  online help).

 Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
 in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
 same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.

 We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
 distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
 project) changing the structure of the H1s.

 Does anyone have any other ideas?
 Thanks,

 

 You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/ 
 to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.

 Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files  Adobe  Framemaker  
 fminit before you mess with it though!

 HTH,

   

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long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Laurie Little
We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
to facilitate auto-population of  online help).

Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.

We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
project) changing the structure of the H1s.

Does anyone have any other ideas?
Thanks,


Laurie Little
Words That Work
905-947-1557



long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Stuart Rogers
Laurie Little wrote:
> We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
> to facilitate auto-population of  online help).
> 
> Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
> in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
> same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.
> 
> We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
> distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
> project) changing the structure of the H1s.
> 
> Does anyone have any other ideas?
> Thanks,
> 

You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/ 
to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.

Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files > Adobe > Framemaker > 
fminit before you mess with it though!

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Lin Sims
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Laurie Little  wrote:
> We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so as
> to facilitate auto-population of  online help).
>
> Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets listed
> in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
> same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.
>
> We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
> distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
> project) changing the structure of the H1s.
>
> Does anyone have any other ideas?
> Thanks,

Someone has a free plugin that will modify the size of a lot of the
dialogue boxes in Frame. It's listed as being good through about 7.1
or 7.2, but I think it'll work up to 8 (I'm trying it out now, in
fact).

http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker36.html



-- 
Lin Sims


long target names in xref dialog

2008-11-11 Thread Laurie Little
Thanks Stuart - I've received two offline suggestions along these lines and
am looking at it right now!
Thanks for all the on- and off-line responses!
Laurie


-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:18 PM
To: Laurie Little
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: long target names in xref dialog


Laurie Little wrote:
> We have a document that is set up with the H1s as the menu path name (so
as
> to facilitate auto-population of  online help).
>
> Some of these paths are quite long, with the result that the targets
listed
> in the cross-reference dialog are indistinguishable because many start the
> same way, and the dialog box is not resizable.
>
> We have identified a few workarounds for this, including manually creating
> distinct cross-reference markers in the text, or (less desirable for this
> project) changing the structure of the H1s.
>
> Does anyone have any other ideas?
> Thanks,
>

You could use a Resource Editor like http://angusj.com/resourcehacker/
to resize your x-ref_main dialog box to accommodate longer names.

Make a backup of fmdlg.dll in Program Files > Adobe > Framemaker >
fminit before you mess with it though!

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If
we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people
for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love
of power."

  ? P.J. O?Rourke