tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Just adding to what Stuart said: If unstructured, or structured using paragraph tags, make one or two extra paragraph tags for cells with a right tab as far to the right as needed.for the Description column (call it e.g. "CellDescription"). You may also find it helpful to set the right cell margin to 0. Insert the tab character by ESC-TAB. If you need continuous dots in the QTY column, just do the same there except that the left cell margin might need to be set to 0. If Structured, this can be automated a little more (in a way, similar to what you do in Ref pages with ToCs etc. HTH, Bodvar 2010/2/5 Ken Poshedly : > Group, > > I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over > the?Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no > luck so far. > > The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all > formatted the?same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts > list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of > four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard > stuff, eh?) > > For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and > use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row. > > Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very > short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description > cell so it looks like this: > > Item No.?? Part No.?? Description?? > Qty > > 1 3245676? Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2 > > (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the > idea.) > > So the question is whether or not a following tab can?automatically follow > the text in each cell of the Description column. > > Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the?Format > Paragraphs > > Paragraph Designer > tab stops feature). > > I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could > be adapted, but apparently not. > > -- Kenpo in Atlanta > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Group, I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over the Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no luck so far. The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all formatted the same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard stuff, eh?) For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row. Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description cell so it looks like this: Item No. Part No. Description Qty 1 3245676 Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2 (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the idea.) So the question is whether or not a following tab can automatically follow the text in each cell of the Description column. Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the Format Paragraphs Paragraph Designer tab stops feature). I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could be adapted, but apparently not. -- Kenpo in Atlanta ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: tabs in table cells, eh wot?
On 05/02/2010 2:13 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: Group, I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over the Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no luck so far. The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all formatted the same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard stuff, eh?) For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row. Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description cell so it looks like this: Item No. Part No. Description Qty 1 3245676 Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2 (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the idea.) So the question is whether or not a following tab can automatically follow the text in each cell of the Description column. Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the Format Paragraphs Paragraph Designer tab stops feature). I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could be adapted, but apparently not. Since you've turned off the ruling lines, you could just as easily put the Description and Qty into a single column with a pgf tag defined with a right-aligned tab with leader dots. Type the Description content, Esc, tab, type the Qty content. An alternative design that I've seen recommended in a research paper is to shade alternate rows of the table similarly to what you've done with your heading row (which obviously you would change in some way). The idea is that ruling lines are bad because they interrupt the scanning pattern of the eye, but subtle shading provides an unobtrusive and helpful guide. With that approach, you'd not need the leader dots and could stick with your four-column layout. (And not have to remember the Esc keystroke before the tab keystroke!) Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. Buzz Aldrin (1930 - ) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Stuart et al, Yep, I know about (but forgot to mention) the Esc-Tab sequence within a table cell. However, the tables (all 150 or so) are already in place for this book, so I may either forget it this time or else Esc-Tab away. I was just hoping for an automatic (i.e., paragraph tag or similar) way so that I wouldn't have to go back and manually do this. -- Kenpo From: Stuart Rogers srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 3:10:06 PM Subject: Re: tabs in table cells, eh wot? On 05/02/2010 2:13 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: Group, I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over the Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no luck so far. The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all formatted the same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard stuff, eh?) For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row. Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description cell so it looks like this: Item No. Part No. Description Qty 1 3245676 Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2 (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the idea.) So the question is whether or not a following tab can automatically follow the text in each cell of the Description column. Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the Format Paragraphs Paragraph Designer tab stops feature). I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could be adapted, but apparently not. Since you've turned off the ruling lines, you could just as easily put the Description and Qty into a single column with a pgf tag defined with a right-aligned tab with leader dots. Type the Description content, Esc, tab, type the Qty content. An alternative design that I've seen recommended in a research paper is to shade alternate rows of the table similarly to what you've done with your heading row (which obviously you would change in some way). The idea is that ruling lines are bad because they interrupt the scanning pattern of the eye, but subtle shading provides an unobtrusive and helpful guide. With that approach, you'd not need the leader dots and could stick with your four-column layout. (And not have to remember the Esc keystroke before the tab keystroke!) Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises. Buzz Aldrin (1930 - ) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as poshe...@bellsouth.net. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/poshedly%40bellsouth.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Ken Poshedly wrote: Yep, I know about (but forgot to mention) the Esc-Tab sequence within a table cell. However, the tables (all 150 or so) are already in place for this book, so I may either forget it this time or else Esc-Tab away. I was just hoping for an automatic (i.e., paragraph tag or similar) way so that I wouldn't have to go back and manually do this. IMHO, a table with no ruling lines, but with leader dots just floating between two columns, sounds rather odd and ugly (but then, I'm not known for my aesthetic abilities). And any kludge you come up with for getting the leader dots in there is going to either require writing and testing a script or doing it manually, cell by cell or pgf by pgf for all 150 tables. I suggest you _seriously_ consider Stuart's recommendation of alternate shaded rows. You could use the 10% black that you're currently using for the heading row and make the heading row 20% black or put a ruling line below it or something. This change could be accomplished in minutes for all 150 tables -- make the format definition changes in Table Designer and Update All, and you're done. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Group, I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over the?Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no luck so far. The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all formatted the?same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard stuff, eh?) For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row. Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description cell so it looks like this: Item No.?? Part No.?? Description?? Qty 1 3245676? Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2 (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the idea.) So the question is whether or not a following tab can?automatically follow the text in each cell of the Description column. Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the?Format > Paragraphs > Paragraph Designer > tab stops feature). I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could be adapted, but apparently not. -- Kenpo in Atlanta
tabs in table cells, eh wot?
On 05/02/2010 2:13 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: > Group, > > I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all > over the Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, > but with no luck so far. > > The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all > formatted the same, with the line art graphic on the left page and > the parts list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list > table consists of four columns labeled Item No., Part No., > Description and Qty. (Standard stuff, eh?) > > For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling > lines and use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table > header row. > > Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are > very short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each > description cell so it looks like this: > > Item No. Part No. Description > Qty > > 1 3245676 Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . > . . 2 > > (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you > get the idea.) > > So the question is whether or not a following tab can automatically > follow the text in each cell of the Description column. > > Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the Format> > Paragraphs> Paragraph Designer> tab stops feature). > > I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that > could be adapted, but apparently not. > Since you've turned off the ruling lines, you could just as easily put the Description and Qty into a single column with a pgf tag defined with a right-aligned tab with leader dots. Type the Description content, Esc, tab, type the Qty content. An alternative design that I've seen recommended in a research paper is to shade alternate rows of the table similarly to what you've done with your heading row (which obviously you would change in some way). The idea is that ruling lines are bad because they interrupt the scanning pattern of the eye, but subtle shading provides an unobtrusive and helpful guide. With that approach, you'd not need the leader dots and could stick with your four-column layout. (And not have to remember the Esc keystroke before the tab keystroke!) Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises." Buzz Aldrin (1930 - )
Fw: tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Sorry, I forgot to include Frame 8.0 on a Windows Vista pc platform. -- Kenpo - Forwarded Message From: Ken Poshedly <poshe...@bellsouth.net> To: FrameMaker Users List Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 2:13:40 PM Subject: tabs in table cells, eh wot? Group, I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all over the?Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, but with no luck so far. The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all formatted the?same, with the line art graphic on the left page and the parts list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list table consists of four columns labeled Item No., Part No., Description and Qty. (Standard stuff, eh?) For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling lines and use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table header row. Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are very short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each description cell so it looks like this: Item No.?? Part No.?? Description?? Qty 1 3245676? Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . . . 2 (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you get the idea.) So the question is whether or not a following tab can?automatically follow the text in each cell of the Description column. Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the?Format > Paragraphs > Paragraph Designer > tab stops feature). I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that could be adapted, but apparently not. -- Kenpo in Atlanta ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as poshedly at bellsouth.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/poshedly%40bellsouth.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Stuart et al, Yep, I know about (but forgot to mention) the Esc-Tab sequence within a table cell. However, the tables (all 150 or so) are already in place for this book, so I may either forget it this time or else Esc-Tab away. I was just hoping for an automatic (i.e., paragraph tag or similar) way so that?I wouldn't have to go back and manually do this. -- Kenpo From: Stuart Rogers <srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 3:10:06 PM Subject: Re: tabs in table cells, eh wot? On 05/02/2010 2:13 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: > Group, > > I've check the FrameMaker help feature, Googled for it, and poked all > over the Reference page and paragraph formatting menus for this one, > but with no luck so far. > > The parts book I'm working on includes nearly 150 lists (tables), all > formatted the same, with the line art graphic on the left page and > the parts list opposite it on the right facing page. Each parts list > table consists of four columns labeled Item No., Part No., > Description and Qty. (Standard stuff, eh?) > > For appearance sake, we choose to turn off all of the table ruling > lines and use a light grey (10 percent black) shading for the table > header row. > > Because some of the text descriptions in the Description column are > very short, I'd like to have a dot leader follow the wording in each > description cell so it looks like this: > > Item No.? Part No.? ? ? ? ? ? ? Description > Qty > > 1? ? ? ? ? ? 3245676? ? ? ? ? Assembly, main platform . . . . . . . > . . 2 > > (The spacing may not be quite right in this example, but surely, you > get the idea.) > > So the question is whether or not a following tab can automatically > follow the text in each cell of the Description column. > > Apparently, it must be added manually (according to the Format> > Paragraphs>? Paragraph Designer>? tab stops feature). > > I was hoping that there would be something on the Reference page that > could be adapted, but apparently not. > Since you've turned off the ruling lines, you could just as easily put the Description and Qty into a single column with a pgf tag defined with a right-aligned tab with leader dots.? Type the Description content, Esc, tab, type the Qty content. An alternative design that I've seen recommended in a research paper is to shade alternate rows of the table similarly to what you've done with your heading row (which obviously you would change in some way).? The idea is that ruling lines are bad because they interrupt the scanning pattern of the eye, but subtle shading provides an unobtrusive and helpful guide.? With that approach, you'd not need the leader dots and could stick with your four-column layout.? (And not have to remember the Esc keystroke before the tab keystroke!) Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "I believe that every human has a finite number of heart-beats. I don't intend to waste any of mine running around doing exercises." Buzz Aldrin (1930 - ) ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as poshedly at bellsouth.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/poshedly%40bellsouth.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
tabs in table cells, eh wot?
Ken Poshedly wrote: > Yep, I know about (but forgot to mention) the Esc-Tab sequence within a > table cell. > > However, the tables (all 150 or so) are already in place for this book, so > I may either forget it this time or else Esc-Tab away. > > I was just hoping for an automatic (i.e., paragraph tag or similar) way so > that?I wouldn't have to go back and manually do this. IMHO, a table with no ruling lines, but with leader dots just "floating" between two columns, sounds rather odd and ugly (but then, I'm not known for my aesthetic abilities). And any kludge you come up with for getting the leader dots in there is going to either require writing and testing a script or doing it manually, cell by cell or pgf by pgf for all 150 tables. I suggest you _seriously_ consider Stuart's recommendation of alternate shaded rows. You could use the 10% black that you're currently using for the heading row and make the heading row 20% black or put a ruling line below it or something. This change could be accomplished in minutes for all 150 tables -- make the format definition changes in Table Designer and Update All, and you're done. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
